Whos paying Dell or Sony?

SoftwareDude

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Whos paying Dell or Sony?

if Sony made the battery and dell sold the battery who has to pay to fix it


and who would get sued if someone was hurt
 

zainali

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sony is paying for it i think ($200 to 400 mil).

dells reputation (which was already in the toilet) gets another hit. surprisingly apple/sony who use the same batteries have not had a recall yet.

no one has gotten hurt yet so its a waiting game right nwo.
 

ForumMaster

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as Hyperlite said, they probablly don't use the same batteries. and apple did have a battery recall recently.
 

corkyg

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Now add Sony laptops and Apple laptops to the mix. It's a bad day at Sony's battery factory. They apparently have a serious QC problem. All caused by tiny metal fragments in the cell rolls.
 

bruceb

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Apple has Recalled 1.8 Million Sony Batteries
See link for full story

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060824/apple_battery_recall.html?.v=15

As to who would pay ... SONY ... no question about it ... this excerpt explains the problem:

"Both recalls involve lithium-ion batteries made by a Sony Corp. subsidiary in Japan, where the manufacturing process introduced metal particles into battery cells. Makers of battery cells strive to minimize or eliminate the presence of such particles, which can cause computers to short circuit, or, in extreme situations, catch fire."
 
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Why is there this all-of-a-sudden surgence of laptops catching on fire? I swear I have read 20 articles on this is the psat week, and never have before read anything about it before last month....
 

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Originally posted by: twinturbovenom80
Why is there this all-of-a-sudden surgence of laptops catching on fire? I swear I have read 20 articles on this is the psat week, and never have before read anything about it before last month....

This is what happens when a product that was once geared for businesses, higher end market and enthusiests changes gears so that it can appeal to the general public. QC goes down the drain in order to cut corners which saves the consumer money, question is is it worth it in the long term or not..
 

bruceb

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The "WHY" is listed in my post above .... Sony had a Manufacturing Defect allowing Metal Particles into the battery packs
which in turn are causing internal short circuits ... the metal particles is supposed to be kept out when being made
 

WackyDan

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Originally posted by: bruceb
The "WHY" is listed in my post above .... Sony had a Manufacturing Defect allowing Metal Particles into the battery packs
which in turn are causing internal short circuits ... the metal particles is supposed to be kept out when being made

It's not the total WHY. Other manufacturers have the same packs with no volume of issues like Dell.

Every manufacturer has different battery casing components, and IC's that control how fast the battery can charge and discharge... It's not as simple as saying it's all SONY's fault for having *potentially faulty cels. There are other factors at play that bring out the fault in the battery cels... so yes, Dell can be considered to blame with their cheapest than everyone else design principles.
 

bruceb

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No ... Sony had a bad Manufacturing Run at one plant
so not every makers computer is affected .. only if the
batteries they used were made by the plant that had
the problem .. that can be determined by Sony from
the Product Code and Serial #
 

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I wonder if the users of the 18650 powered vibrators got their notices yet? :shocked:
 

WackyDan

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Originally posted by: bruceb
No ... Sony had a bad Manufacturing Run at one plant
so not every makers computer is affected .. only if the
batteries they used were made by the plant that had
the problem .. that can be determined by Sony from
the Product Code and Serial #

Yes. Fun part starts in bold.

Fires stop with Apple and Dell, insists Sony
http://news.com.com/Fires+stop+with+App...+insists+Sony/2100-1041_3-6109460.html
After two massive recalls of batteries using its technology, Sony says no other PC company is affected.
By Tom Krazit
Staff Writer, CNET News.com

Published: August 24, 2006, 4:59 PM PDT
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Sony and PC makers scrambled on Thursday to reassure customers that the latest battery recall involving Apple Computer would be the last.

Of course, that's exactly the same thing they said last week after Dell announced it was recalling 4.1 million batteries that could short-circuit and cause a fire. Just about every major PC company uses Sony's battery cells in a portion of their notebook batteries. Those cells have been the subject of intense scrutiny after Dell's recall was followed by Apple's Thursday announcement that it was recalling 1.8 million batteries.

Sony believes the battery cell problems are confined to Dell and Apple, Rick Clancy, a Sony spokesman, said Thursday. Last week, however, Clancy insisted that no other PC company had reported the level of incidents that Dell had seen.

Dell said it had received reports of six incidents involving the batteries, according to a press release from the Consumer Products Safety Commission last week. On Thursday, Apple reported that it had received nine reports of incidents, including two involving minor injuries. Dell is the world's largest PC maker, with much higher shipment levels than Apple.

On Thursday, Clancy said that Sony and the various PC companies have exchanged information on the defective battery cells and the implementation of those cells in various notebooks, and Sony now believes Dell and Apple are the only companies that will have to recall batteries.

Not surprisingly, the other PC makers agreed.

Hewlett-Packard "has no plans to recall notebook battery packs in conjunction with either the Aug. 24, 2006 Apple notebook battery recall or the Aug. 14, 2006 Dell notebook battery recall. HP has been in contact with Sony, the manufacturer of the battery cells in question, and Sony has communicated that HP should not be impacted by these recalls," HP said in a statement.

Gateway said, "Based on available information and our suppliers' input, we do not believe our systems are at risk for the same malfunctions that caused our competitors to issue battery recalls. It appears that a combination of factors led to the fault requiring the recalls, and this combination is not present in our systems. Gateway notebooks use different battery cells than those implicated in our competitor's recalls."

Acer said, "(We) have been told by Sony that the batteries we use are not ones that will be affected" by the problematic cells.

Lenovo provided a little more detail, saying that while it uses the same Sony battery cells, it relies on a different technique for packaging and charging the cells. Sony assured Lenovo that its technology was implemented differently than Apple's or Dell's, a company representative said.[/B]

It's unclear exactly how long Sony has known about the problems with its battery cells. Sony told Infoworld last week that it first had a conversation with Dell about the problem in October 2005, and another conversation followed in February 2006, after which Sony made changes to its manufacturing process. Clancy refused to confirm those dates to CNET News.com on Thursday.

Sony is also refusing to state when it knew Apple would be affected by the defective battery cells. An Apple representative likewise declined to comment on when Apple began discussing the problem with Sony.

It's far from clear whether this battery saga is over. Two reports of smoking or flaming batteries on Sony laptops surfaced this week, one reported by a Kansas City television station and one, via e-mail, by a CNET News.com reader. Sony's Clancy said based on his preliminary information, it appeared the Kansas City incident involved a counterfeit battery, but he declined to specify how the company knew that.