Who's killing Irans Nuke Scientists?

[MikeMike]

Even if we did get rid of them there will always be someone trying to get them. India and Pakistan both developed their arsenals not out of fear from the established powers but from each other. Israeli was "never again". Basically human nature is to want upper hand. So why fight that or fight to preserve our upper hand? You can't fight human nature. Nothing wrong with disabling a sworn enemies potential IMO.

but, but, we should all be equal, and not afraid of each other... everyone wants the best for everyone...

 

[Zorkorist]

The only people that perpetuate "sworn enemies," are Governments and Religions.

There is no such thing as "sworn enemies."

There are Governments, or Religions, that tell us we are at war, with euraisia, and at peace with eastasia.

Or is it we are at war with eastasia and at peace with eurasia?

-John

 

[Skitzer]

It's just a human right, to have Nuclear Power.

-John

Really?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

It seems that people are ignoring the fact that reactors which are not suitable for making nuclear weapons exist, but Iran has no interest in them.

Regarding scientists being killed, Iran is likely guilty of at least some of that because of Stuxnet. The details of that have come out, at least as far as what it did and the Iran government murders it's own.

 

[Anubis]

i am

 

[rcpratt]

It's just a human right, to have Nuclear Power.

-John

Um, no, not at all.

 

[Rustican]

The only people that perpetuate "sworn enemies," are Governments and Religions.

-John

Not really. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatfield–McCoy_feud

 

[Sinsear]

Does anyone really care? Besides maybe Ahmadinejihad and LL?

 

[halik]

I don't know whether y'all heard but two were killed yesterday and two last week. Operation is motorcycle who slaps a magnetic bomb on car speeds away, bomb detonates and scientist is killed.

Imacrazyman blames, you guessed it USA and Israeli but with recent wikileaks how virtually all Arab nations call Irans snakes and dogs and telling us to take them out I'm thinking this has sunni terrorists written all over it. After all it's in country, with 15% sunni minority, who is treated second class status anyway.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10334/1107066-82.stm

Israel i would think. Pretty effective deterrent if i may say.

 

[ayabe]

Israel and the US obviously.

Yes that makes us a state sponsor of terrorism. Just fills my heart to the brim with pride....

 

[DesiPower]

@ Zorkorist - tenemos un legales neffing hilo

 

[halik]

Israel and the US obviously.

Yes that makes us a state sponsor of terrorism. Just fills my heart to the brim with pride....

Are the people fighting US forces in Afghanistan really terrorists? If you're directly involved in a conflict of that sort, you're fair game to me.

When we start blowing up Iranian airlines, because all Iranian citizens are responsible for the nuclear debacles, you will have a point.

 

[Schadenfroh]

The replies in this thread are most amusing.

His people, African's, Indian's, all people can be helped by the miracle of Nuclear Power. Virtually unlimited energy.

Shame the American people cannot be helped by the evil, Republican technology that is nuclear power.

 

[fire400]

Pretty scary to be a productive person in a despised Government, today.

-John

lawyers that represent corporations for which they have little or no respect for.

...usa

lol

 

[ayabe]

Are the people fighting US forces in Afghanistan really terrorists? If you're directly involved in a conflict of that sort, you're fair game to me.

When we start blowing up Iranian airlines, because all Iranian citizens are responsible for the nuclear debacles, you will have a point.

Nice diversion. So pray tell, how is an Iranian scientist involved in any conflict? He or she is a private citizen and not a combatant of any kind. What about the guys wife who was injured and could have been killed. Fucking Tony Montana isn't even down with that.

What if Iran were to assassinate some of our scientists? How would you classify that act? I bet I know the answer!

 

[DrPizza]

Scientists bring virus into nuclear facility, passing it through the air gap that's supposed to keep their systems safe from hackers.

Iran wastes years, has ruined centrifuges, etc.; can't figure out why. Virus is found. Iran figures out which scientists are responsible for this horrible breach of security. Iran realizes, "hey, let's murder these guys and make it look like the West did it."

Is this a credible idea? Look at the timing - have Iranian nuclear scientists been being killed off left and right before this virus hit the news?

 

[nobodyknows]

lawyers that represent corporations for which they have little or no respect for.

...usa

lol

LOL, lawyers are productive???

 

[ayabe]

Scientists bring virus into nuclear facility, passing it through the air gap that's supposed to keep their systems safe from hackers.

Iran wastes years, has ruined centrifuges, etc.; can't figure out why. Virus is found. Iran figures out which scientists are responsible for this horrible breach of security. Iran realizes, "hey, let's murder these guys and make it look like the West did it."

Is this a credible idea? Look at the timing - have Iranian nuclear scientists been being killed off left and right before this virus hit the news?

There was one killed a few months ago, before this centrifuge/virus madness. That guy might have been taken out by the Iranian regime - there is some confusion about whether he was or wasn't part of a dissident group.

 

[Fern]

Kill American businesspeople, it's terrorism, even if the economic engine is fueling oppression somewhere. Kill Iranian scientists who are serving their country's interest - snip- that's not?

Israel and the US obviously.

Yes that makes us a state sponsor of terrorism. Just fills my heart to the brim with pride....

No, that's not terrorism.

Terrorism, in part, means killing of indiscriminate civilians.

These individuals were specifically targeted; there was nothing indiscriminate about it.

'Pre-emptive' attacks against an (potential) enemy country's weapons ability is nothing new.

Some of you who are older may remember Gerald Bull. He was a Canadian-American expert in ballistic missiles etc. Saddam hired him to build a huge cannon. He was also assasinated.

Gerald Vincent Bull ( March 9, 1928 - March 22, 1990) was a Canadian engineer who developed long range artillery. He moved from project to project in his quest to economically launch a satellite using a huge artillery piece. To this end he designed the Project Babylon " supergun" for the Iraqi government. He was shot outside his home in Brussels, Belgium.

http://www.reference.com/browse/ballistician

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Bull#Assassination

Fern

 

[alkemyst]

deadmen tell no tales.

 

[halik]

Nice diversion. So pray tell, how is an Iranian scientist involved in any conflict? He or she is a private citizen and not a combatant of any kind. What about the guys wife who was injured and could have been killed. Fucking Tony Montana isn't even down with that.

What if Iran were to assassinate some of our scientists? How would you classify that act? I bet I know the answer!

That's my point - if Muslim extremist went after defense contractors or just military, we wouldn't call them terrorists.

Instead they flew a plane full of civilians into a building full of civilians... those people had very little to do with US armed forces in saudi arabia.

 

[SamurAchzar]

By now the question of whether Iran is or is not developing a military nuclear program should be behind us. Thanks to Wikileaks, it's obvious there is not a single country that thinks this program, or Iran's intents for the matter, is peaceful. When Arab leaders urge US and even Israel to have a go at Iran, threatening to start nuclear programs of their own if they don't comply, you have to wonder what's going on.

I wonder how that sits with the typical liberal "It's for their electricity!" bullshit. Mubarak is terrified shitless, but the Berkley basement dweller makes it a point to support the nuclear ambitions of the Islamic Republic.

 

[Lemon law]

Sammy, thinking is not knowing when you note, "Thanks to Wikileaks, it's obvious there is not a single country that thinks this program, or Iran's intents for the matter, is peaceful"

As I recall, every country in the world thought Iraq had WMD, and came to find out Saddam had no WMD.

As for Iran, we are not even to a point where the question can be rationally asked.
Iran is only now to the point where they have sufficient amounts of uranium enriched to the 3% U235 level to fuel maybe one or two nuclear reactors. And as those come on line at some future date then Iran can start generating electricity. Then, depending on the reactor design Iran chooses, Iran can start extracting plutonium from spent fuel rods
to go on to develop nuclear weapons. Or Iran can choose to not go onto developing nuclear weapons.

But Iran is at least three years shy of getting to that decision point.

The other point to make is that Iran going on to enriching Uranium to the 90%+ U235 level would take far longer and yield only one bomb.

 

[Craig234]

That's my point - if Muslim extremist went after defense contractors or just military, we wouldn't call them terrorists.

Instead they flew a plane full of civilians into a building full of civilians... those people had very little to do with US armed forces in saudi arabia.

Oh, bull. When they went after targets like the USS Cole, it was called a terrorist attack.

 

[Freshgeardude]

Sammy, thinking is not knowing when you note, "Thanks to Wikileaks, it's obvious there is not a single country that thinks this program, or Iran's intents for the matter, is peaceful"

As I recall, every country in the world thought Iraq had WMD, and came to find out Saddam had no WMD.

As for Iran, we are not even to a point where the question can be rationally asked.
Iran is only now to the point where they have sufficient amounts of uranium enriched to the 3% U235 level to fuel maybe one or two nuclear reactors. And as those come on line at some future date then Iran can start generating electricity. Then, depending on the reactor design Iran chooses, Iran can start extracting plutonium from spent fuel rods
to go on to develop nuclear weapons. Or Iran can choose to not go onto developing nuclear weapons.

But Iran is at least three years shy of getting to that decision point.

The other point to make is that Iran going on to enriching Uranium to the 90%+ U235 level would take far longer and yield only one bomb.

ok, I am here wanting to believe this post, but I need proof.

where is the link?

AFAIK and the rest of the world (excluding iran) no one knows how much of what they have.

there were sites that were spotted after they announced the first, they announced a few, said some will be built

as well as an iranian opposition group leaking images of an unannounced one.

they are all built on mountain sides, making them hard to detect.


so no one knows exactly how much they have.



secondly, we both know how small israel is, one bomb is all that is needed to pretty much destroy the country