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Then what I linked you too should fit the bill
After you buy THX speakers all matching, a THX reciever, and a 100watt+ sub your talking over $1k Saying it may sound worse was over kill
Then what I linked you too should fit the bill
After you buy THX speakers all matching, a THX reciever, and a 100watt+ sub your talking over $1k Saying it may sound worse was over kill
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So... for simultaneous action.... I don't really see how that would work. There's certainly second zone features out there, but I don't think that's really what you want if it's for something in the same room. I've never really tried to look up something like this, but I don't think you're going to find a receiver for cheap that's going to take two sources simultaneously and send each one to a different tv.
Is that what you're wanting it to do?
Where would the sound come out?
It seems like you would be better off just concentrating on one tv for a system and then hooking up your current stereo set to the backup tv?
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Originally posted by: funboy42
Then what I linked you too should fit the bill
After you buy THX speakers all matching, a THX reciever, and a 100watt+ sub your talking over $1k Saying it may sound worse was over kill
THX certification for hometheater is not the same as THX for computer speakers...
no i don't need the reciever to output to the two tvs simultaneously, i just meant that's why i had two tvs in the first place. both tv's still have composite inputs which is enough for a game console etc. with another reciever each tv could have its own if needed too.
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funboy6942
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Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Originally posted by: funboy42
Then what I linked you too should fit the bill
After you buy THX speakers all matching, a THX reciever, and a 100watt+ sub your talking over $1k Saying it may sound worse was over kill
THX certification for hometheater is not the same as THX for computer speakers...
ok
maybe they could now, but in the past only one did and it worked out fine. even with the crappy built-in speakers the sound only degrades at higher volumes which wouldn't be reached normally with both on.
usually up to four people could play on one tv while everyone else could either watch or use the other tv to catch a show they didn't want to miss, play another game there or whatever. best times i'd had have been with 4 player games of goldeneye and perfect dark.
and i just noticed earlier that you were the "soundman", which explains why you're so helpful and interested in all this
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Originally posted by: funboy42
Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Originally posted by: funboy42
Then what I linked you too should fit the bill
After you buy THX speakers all matching, a THX reciever, and a 100watt+ sub your talking over $1k Saying it may sound worse was over kill
THX certification for hometheater is not the same as THX for computer speakers...
ok
http://www.thx.com/
There are many levels of THX certification....
Multimedia (not sure if I have the name right, but what computer speakers get)
Select
Select2
Ultra
Ultra2
etc.
So I'm saying that it's much easier to get THX certification on computer products than HT products. Computer speaker products don't even need to get an 80hz crossover going between satellites and sub.
Saying you need to buy THX HT speakers to compete with THX computer speakers is unfair. A lot of good brands don't even bother with THX testing as it increases the cost of the product to slap that label on the box.
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Originally posted by: notanotheract
maybe they could now, but in the past only one did and it worked out fine. even with the crappy built-in speakers the sound only degrades at higher volumes which wouldn't be reached normally with both on.
usually up to four people could play on one tv while everyone else could either watch or use the other tv to catch a show they didn't want to miss, play another game there or whatever. best times i'd had have been with 4 player games of goldeneye and perfect dark.
and i just noticed earlier that you were the "soundman", which explains why you're so helpful and interested in all this
well helping people pick stuff out is almost as fun as picking out stuff for myself... and it's a lot easier on my wallet How big is this room by the way. I've been picturing it like a medium sized room... is it really big or something? Dimentions? (I didn't ask this already, did I?
)Oh, and these ELTs are being replaced by a new line, so building up a system based on ELTs isn't going to work out too well over time. If you want a 5.1/6.1 system based on ELTs eventually, you'd better buy them all now as they are being discontinued (that's why they're so cheap right now).
You're going to have to decide what you want of course, but to me it sounds like getting a $150-ish refurb receiver like an Onkyo502 and a couple pairs of ELTs would work out best for you... using the old receiver for the secondary tv and the new one for the primary.
Is your room set up so you could have a 5.1 system on one tv and a 2.0 on the other?
Would you be watching anything that had 5.1 sound in that room? I guess I don't understand why you're not using the $6000 sound system on the other floor more for stuff.
alright, time to come clean. i usually don't like being very specific because it requires more effort (especially typing online) and because vague usually gets the job done but here goes....
1. the B&O system doesn't really belong to me, it belongs to my parents. i'm just your run of the mill poor college student trying to stay alive. i figured by saying the system was in the family room and downstairs might insinuate that it was for the family or maybe there was a wife that'd kill me if i moved it upstairs etc. i thought it'd make sense to say yea i've heard and got an expensive system elsewhere but just want something more practical for a smaller room.
2. what i've tried to get across is that i just want an average sound system that'll take care of basic needs and not something for a true home theatre experience.
3. yes, i'm a liar liar with pants constantly on fire.
anywho, the room is 11' x 11' and this thread has seriously got me thinking of moving around the tv's, furniture, etc to take advantage of easier or better wiring and better speaker placement. and no i don't think i'll ever listen to anything from a true 5.1 source unless my satellite reciever can do so, i'd be happy with artificial surround sound though.
on another note, whatever speaker system i get for my room i'll likely get for an apartment i share with friends (another long story).
1. the B&O system doesn't really belong to me, it belongs to my parents. i'm just your run of the mill poor college student trying to stay alive. i figured by saying the system was in the family room and downstairs might insinuate that it was for the family or maybe there was a wife that'd kill me if i moved it upstairs etc. i thought it'd make sense to say yea i've heard and got an expensive system elsewhere but just want something more practical for a smaller room.
2. what i've tried to get across is that i just want an average sound system that'll take care of basic needs and not something for a true home theatre experience.
3. yes, i'm a liar liar with pants constantly on fire.
anywho, the room is 11' x 11' and this thread has seriously got me thinking of moving around the tv's, furniture, etc to take advantage of easier or better wiring and better speaker placement. and no i don't think i'll ever listen to anything from a true 5.1 source unless my satellite reciever can do so, i'd be happy with artificial surround sound though.
on another note, whatever speaker system i get for my room i'll likely get for an apartment i share with friends (another long story).
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Nothing wrong with being a college student on a budget, so am I. (I just tend to spend a lot of my "fun money" on HT rather than something like.... a car.... and car insurance etc.
For a good 5.1 placement, you're looking at something like this
http://www.dolby.com/consumer/home_entertainment/roomlayout.html
Seems like it would be tough to get something like that going in a 11x11 room if there have to be two viewing areas in it.
For a good 5.1 placement, you're looking at something like this
http://www.dolby.com/consumer/home_entertainment/roomlayout.html
Seems like it would be tough to get something like that going in a 11x11 room if there have to be two viewing areas in it.
yea i know how it should look, i was actually thinking of just mounting stands to the wall and placing the rear speakers there and placing the front speakers by the tv. my closet goes back 5' x 18' so i could even dump rear speakers in there. and to be honest, a center speaker and subwoofer didn't seem too important to me and i was considering forgetting about them.
another thing the just crossed my mind is mounting speakers to the four corners of the ceiling, i could probably do that with the logitech set but only the wires would ugly.
another thing the just crossed my mind is mounting speakers to the four corners of the ceiling, i could probably do that with the logitech set but only the wires would ugly.
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If this is for watching DVDs at all, a center channel is the most important speaker in a multichannel setup. I think it's something like 70% of the sound from a DVD will come out the center channel from a typical movie in DD.
A sub is also really important for HT, especially if you're getting bookshelf speakers that don't have really low bass extension.
If you're doing music mainly or stereo sources, I think spending your budget on a 2.0 or 2.1 setup rather than 4.0 would be money better spent.
wow, i'da never known that. i don't really watch very many dvds right now but i just might in the future. how much better would you imagine the ELTs are than the logitech set? got any clue what the shipping on the ELTs are for a pair? know if the ELTs have the low bass extension you mentioned? last thing i can think of, what kind of center speaker do i need, is one specially designed to be a CS that much better than if i lets say bought 3 pairs of ELTs and used one as a center speaker (and maybe sold the leftover)?
if i get the logitech set i'll just need a reciever, but if i get the ELTs i'll need a reciever and have to find a center speaker and subwoofer eventually which wouldn't be too bad either, especially if it ends up sounding better in the long run. i really wanna make an order by monday night too.
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I haven't heard the ELTs, but I would have to say they would likely be much better than the logitech satellites. Maybe post in the ELT thread or PM someone who has bought them and see what they think of them vs other things they have heard.
Raiden was kind enough to look up some reviews for me in that thread
Response for ELTs: Frequency Response: 65 Hz to 20 KHz (± 3 dB)
For a center speaker, these ELTs are shielded so one should work as a center even on a CRT if that's where you're putting it. 3 pairs for a 6.0 system would be a great deal. Normally these are $249/pair. 6 for $297 is amazing.
If you wanted a dedicated center, Sean Parque from AV123 says they are getting one last shipment of Rosewood (as opposed to the piano black laquer) finish ELT center channels. Those go for $199/each. Still a great price, but if you can get ELTs for $99/pair I'd go for a matched set all the way around.
I also mentioned the RSC100 center in the ELT thread if you want to check that out.
If you go with ELTs, I would suggest getting them all right away except for the center if you're not planning on doing a regular ELT for that. These are being replaced which is why the price is so low. After the current stock is gone, that's it. If you want a matched set now is the time.
do you know what that frequency response translates to in reference to whether or not these ELTs have "really low bass extension" or not?
and what do you mean by CRT?
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65 is decent for bookshelf speakers. More expensive ones will tend to get down to the 50hz range or so. Floorstanders generally get a little lower and are better on their own without a sub vs their bookshelf equivalent.
65 hz isn't the lowest these are going to play either, it's that 65hz is the point where it's getting quieter as it goes lower. It's going to get a little more help from in room gain too which helps make the low end a little louder.
More expensive doesn't necessarily mean better bass if that's what it sounded like I was saying either.
These will do music well on their own, but a sub will really help round out the low end. If you listen to music with a decent amount of bass in it, you'll miss the low end without a sub.
any idea how these yamahas, these onkyos, and 3 pairs of these infinities stack up to 3 pairs of ELTs?
i'm curious how the infinities compare (heard some good about them too), and if these HTIB are crap like the sony i posted earlier.
i'm curious how the infinities compare (heard some good about them too), and if these HTIB are crap like the sony i posted earlier.
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Are those Onkyos the speakers that come with the Onkyo 780 HTIB set?
I've read good things about the Infinity Primus series, and the 150s in particular. I've mentioned these to people when they go on sale like this. Normally prices are around $150 or $175 for a pair of them.
I'd still put my money on the ELTs as being the better deal right now.
There's a very large thread (maybe more than one) over at the HTIB area of AVSforum about Onkyo speakers not being the greatest. A 7.1 set for $220 is quite a deal, but for music they might be a little lacking.
As for the Yamaha set, I have no idea.
Check out the AVS area here
You should be able to get more opinions from looking at threads where people are making the same kind of decisions you're facing.
I've read good things about the Infinity Primus series, and the 150s in particular. I've mentioned these to people when they go on sale like this. Normally prices are around $150 or $175 for a pair of them.
I'd still put my money on the ELTs as being the better deal right now.
There's a very large thread (maybe more than one) over at the HTIB area of AVSforum about Onkyo speakers not being the greatest. A 7.1 set for $220 is quite a deal, but for music they might be a little lacking.
As for the Yamaha set, I have no idea.
Check out the AVS area here
You should be able to get more opinions from looking at threads where people are making the same kind of decisions you're facing.
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