whos got a shot at the presidency?

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: charrison
none of the above.

I'll second that.

As of now, I'd say Gen. Clark from the Left and Gov. Warner from the right.

If you're talking about Gov. Mark Warner of Virginia, he's a Democrat, and not likely to be switching parties any time soon. But he has received some 'buzz' as a viable Democratic candidate, having won a state-wide election in a strong red state. I just don't see him beating H. Clinton in the Dem primaries in 2008, though.

Getting my Warners mixed up. 😱

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
I'm betting on McCain for the rep's. It's the only possible reason I can understand him suddenly backing Bush in '04. For the dem's I think Hillary will run as vice for sure, but I don't know who will run for pres.

McCain is too old, he looks like a washed-out chip-munk.

Easy there, he's had major facial skin graft and re-construction surgery for Skin Cancer.

oops. 😱

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
I'm betting on McCain for the rep's. It's the only possible reason I can understand him suddenly backing Bush in '04. For the dem's I think Hillary will run as vice for sure, but I don't know who will run for pres.

McCain is too old, he looks like a washed-out chip-munk.

Easy there, he's had major facial skin graft and re-construction surgery for Skin Cancer.

oops. 😱

In fact I believe both McCain and Gulianni will pass on shots at the Whitehouse due to Health reasons.

 

[jlmadyson]

George Allen, mark my words, cookie cutter as it gets. Rudy and McCain will not be able to pull the Republican ticket. For the Dems I have no clue, Hillary would lose in the national.

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: Harvey
I'm hoping Senator Joe Biden runs. He's cool, articulate and RIGHT about almost everything, including what a lying snake one of our current presidents is.

In your opinion, fortunately the past few elections have shown more people disagree with your opinion. Of course, I'm sure you will label them as stupid right-wing extemists.. But thats why your side will continue to lose elections.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: charrison
none of the above.

I'll second that.

As of now, I'd say Gen. Clark from the Left and Gov. Warner from the right.

If you're talking about Gov. Mark Warner of Virginia, he's a Democrat, and not likely to be switching parties any time soon. But he has received some 'buzz' as a viable Democratic candidate, having won a state-wide election in a strong red state. I just don't see him beating H. Clinton in the Dem primaries in 2008, though.

Getting my Warners mixed up. 😱

Well, John Warner is a current Senator from Va., but I think you meant George Allen, the junior VA senator (and former Gov.). There's definitely been some talk of him making a pres. run. As for Sen. Warner, he's more of a moderate and not much liked within his own state party for various past acts seen as disloyal (he once even campaigned for an independent running for the other Senate seat). Plus, I think he's content with his fairly safe Senate seat, and AFAIK, he's never voiced any strong aspirations beyond that.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: jlmadyson
George Allen, mark my words, cookie cutter as it gets. Rudy and McCain will not be able to pull the Republican ticket. For the Dems I have no clue, Hillary would lose in the national.

I'm really interested to know why you think Hillary would lose the national vote. Think about this: Hilary is the only potential candidate who is being talked about in this thread on a first name basis. You can't buy that level of name recognition.

Also, as noted by GTKeeper, Hillary has enormous "middle America appeal". The fact that she is loathed by extreme right people (almost as much as extreme left people loathe Dumbya) doesn't put her out of the running if she maintains her appeal with average voters:

Originally posted by: GTKeeper
I think people underestimate Hillary. Remember, it is the middle vote that decides the presidency, not the left/right vote. In Kerry vs Bush, the Left/Right voted just about the same as they always do. Bush won over more of middle America, hence he won.

Hillary has HUGE middle America appeal (and before I get flamed, hear me out). Much like Clinton, the reason she is appealing to middle America is the fact that she made it to Senator on her own. Meaning, she like Bill started her career on the bottom level. They worked for what they earned. Kerry and Bush did not. Kerry has the Heinz fortune, and Bush jr. is basically in a Political family, just like the Kennedys.

This is the same reason that Barak Obama killed the Illinois candidate by such a huge margin (no one expected him to win by THAT much).

I trust someone more who made it in life through hard work, not having anything handed to them. Unofrtunetly most candidates today come from wealthy families with connections that frankly does not represent the middle class. It is the middle class that is the driver of ANY country. Without the middle class, you have no country.

The Republicans don't have a potential candidate who has that level of middle America appeal. Maybe Jeb has a similar charm & appeal as his brother, I don't know.

 

[Stunt]

I co-write on this blog.
Doesn't have all that much interest yet...but should pick up in the next while.
One person has suggested Evan Bayh...

Evan Bayh is known to be exploring the possibility of running in 2008. What may not be as well known is that as of March 31st of this year he had $7 million of available cash in his campaign fund. Hillary leads the pack with $8.7 million.

wiki thinks he has red state appeal and could bring indiana into the fold.

 

[Scarpozzi]

Edwards with Hilary as a sidekick or the other way around.

Either way, they'd have to be from the South and a protestant to win the election. That's what hurt Kerry...

 

[nageov3t]

I think Hillary has a damn good shot if she can somehow throw off that far left myth/lie that the Republican machine has built up around her.

both Clintons are pretty much centrists, IMO, that somehow get painted as leftists.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: loki8481
I think Hillary has a damn good shot if she can somehow throw off that far left myth/lie that the Republican machine has built up around her.

both Clintons are pretty much centrists, IMO, that somehow get painted as leftists.

they get painted as extreme leftists (and much worse) because some wealthy and powerful people have spent huge amounts of money doing so:

Myth: There?s no "vast right wing conspiracy" to get Clinton.
Fact: Richard Mellon Scaife and the Republican Establishment have poured millions into the effort.

Myth: Clinton is thoroughly corrupt.
Fact: Clinton?s "corruption" is the result of a multi-million dollar smear campaign.

"After a four-year, $45 million fishing expedition, Ken Starr?s investigation found no evidence of wrong-doing in Whitewater, Filegate, Travelgate, Troopergate, campaign financing, Vince Foster?s suicide, cocaine smuggling at Mena Airport or any of the other dozens of smears aimed at Clinton. The only mud that stuck was his attempt to deny an entirely legal and consensual affair that he had. The questions concerning this affair were illegitimate, because they did not concern illegal behavior such as sexual harrassment, but presented him with a set of grim options after invading his privacy. The irony is that Clinton stands as the most investigated president in history, and the lack of evidence of wrong-doing suggests that Clinton is relatively cleaner than most politicians. (A low hurdle, granted.) This infuriates conservatives, who see Clinton as "obviously" corrupt. But then these critics must prove their accusations with evidence. Ken Starr couldn?t find any after four years and $45 million. They can?t either."

 

[Steeplerot]

I and a few thousand New Yorkers would like to see a few million used to investigate bush and his sleazy saudi connections, but then thats unamerican, right?
Hell, like these familys will ever get a real investigation into how 9/11 happened? fat chance.

 

[nageov3t]

I wish McCain would just fvck the primaries and run as an Independant in the general election.

 

[piasabird]

I dont think McCain has a chance in hell at being elected.

 

[filterxg]

Here is my 2 cents.

The Republican party has too many moderates that are going to run. Rudy, Romney, prob Hagel, and a few others. McCain (who is very conservative) also appeals more to the moderates than to the conservatives. This is a problem because the power in the party is very clearly the conservative. SO right now I'd bet it would Frist, who I like less everyday. Jeb won't run till '16 or '20, and thats assuming he can find a way to stay in the public eye. My favorite is McCain, but his base will be very fragmented which will hurt him.

On the Dem side it will go to Hiliary if she wants it. And unless she loses her seat in '06 (Rudy please run for senate not pres) she's going to run. This is unfortunate because I really wish the nomination would go to Biden whose one of the few Democrats I would consider voting for. Edwards will be out of the public eye too much...unless he gets a TV show or something. Kerry tried and lost, he won't get another chance.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: loki8481
I wish McCain would just fvck the primaries and run as an Independant in the general election.

Sorry, he can't do that as I have already claimed that spot.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Stunt
I co-write on this blog.

You guys haven't added me yet.

I'll have to post up a new pic without Pepper 🙁

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Stunt
I co-write on this blog.

You guys haven't added me yet.

I'll have to post up a new pic without Pepper 🙁

Actually i found the guy's blog randomly, made a few comments on his site and he offered me an opportunity to write...
I thought why not.
It's funny though, he saw my post and read a blog i wrote ranting about the governing liberals and i think he assumes i'm extremely conservative (he is a socially conservative republican).
Anyways, should be a good site in the lead up.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Stunt
I co-write on this blog.

You guys haven't added me yet.

I'll have to post up a new pic without Pepper 🙁

Maybe Pepper can be your VP?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Stunt
I co-write on this blog.

You guys haven't added me yet.

I'll have to post up a new pic without Pepper 🙁

Maybe Pepper can be your VP?

Hey! We should have DonVito running! Imagine his cat as the First Pet??

 

[chowderhead]

Originally posted by: filterxg
Here is my 2 cents.

The Republican party has too many moderates that are going to run. Rudy, Romney, prob Hagel, and a few others. McCain (who is very conservative) also appeals more to the moderates than to the conservatives. This is a problem because the power in the party is very clearly the conservative. SO right now I'd bet it would Frist, who I like less everyday. Jeb won't run till '16 or '20, and thats assuming he can find a way to stay in the public eye. My favorite is McCain, but his base will be very fragmented which will hurt him.

On the Dem side it will go to Hiliary if she wants it. And unless she loses her seat in '06 (Rudy please run for senate not pres) she's going to run. This is unfortunate because I really wish the nomination would go to Biden whose one of the few Democrats I would consider voting for. Edwards will be out of the public eye too much...unless he gets a TV show or something. Kerry tried and lost, he won't get another chance.

That is a very astute observation about moderates in the Republican field though I will assume they will all run right to get the nomination and then move back to the center for the general. If there are a lot of moderates in this open field, Frist, Brownback, and Allen may try and run a hard right campaign. Regarding McCain, he would have gotten the Republican nomination in 2000 had he won S. Carolina (Karl Rove did him in) after his win in N. Hampshire so I am assuming he is running this time after being a teamplayer in 2004. However, he will be 72 by Nov. 2008 with skin cancer history. I also want Article 2 Sect 1 Clause 5 of the Constitution to be tested as McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone.

I haven't read much on Republican governors except Jeb, Pataki, Romney (the later two have no chance) but I would expect one or two more to pop into the race. If Hutchison from Texas knocks off Perry in 2006, she could be a VP candidate or even run for President.

Democrats. Open field but Hillary is the 800 pound gorrilla. There are no credible Rep. candidate to bloody her in the 2006 Senate race yet and she has raised a lot of cash. She is running for President almost for certain. The base loves her still even as she takes moderate positions on Iraq, illegal immigration, gay marriage etc. She will be able to streamroll in the early primaries over the usual suspects i.e. Kerry, Edwards, Biden if she doesn't make any large mistakes. I don't understand the love for Biden, he loves to go on the talk shows and hear himself speak, but he ran for president once and had to quit because he did poorly and because of the plagiarism thing. Richardson of NM is considering running as is Vilsack, Bayh and maybe Clark. One of them would to position themselves as the alternative to Hillary ... someone who can deliver a red state or a bring home a voting block. Anyway, if you look at the electoral map, for Hillary to win, she would need to get all Kerry's states and bring home some southwest states, one large southern state with a VP (doubtful) or Ohio/Florida. It's certainly doable but it may be easier with someone that doesn't have her baggage.

Edit: add Mark Warner as others have mentioned as a Democrat governor in a southern Republican state.