No where in the conference call did anyone mention killing off Ati's gpu business. In fact, Ruiz did mention that at least in the forseeable future AMD will not intentionally interfere with Ati's business. And, unless AMD adamantly wants to make only x86 cpu's in their future, they will not shut down profitable products and solutions of Ati that AMD itself does not have.
yeah...MULTICHROME ftw...ATI will still be around producing GPU's and competing with NV for awhile to come...
http://www.techreport.com/
Originally posted by: apoppin
it isn't . . . ATi is being 'acquired' by AMD
who knows what the future will bring? . . . at least AMD's future is assured with this merger
I knew about the merger.
But everyone seems to be making it into this:
"AMD has taken over ATi and decided to no longer produce graphics cards"
When all I've read is this:
"AMD has taken over ATi"
So I was wondering if I had missed a piece of news where anyone had stated ATi were now out of the graphics card business.
akugami
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I'm not saying the GPU business is as large as the CPU business. But there are a ton of different markets that don't compare cash wise to the CPU market. It doesn't mean you can't be a successful company or get rich in those markets. Even though the GPU business does not compare to the CPU business it is still a multi-billion dollar industry.
Don't just say "wrong" and not give a good explanation why you disagree. There are a lot of reasons for AMD to continue development in the high end as I outlined in my post. All I heard from you is your reply that I'm wrong and the only reason is because the GPU business is not as large as the CPU business. And as I stated, there are plenty of markets that are nowhere near as large as the GPU business, much less the CPU business that people get rich off of and companies make lots of money from.
Originally posted by: Lonyo
Originally posted by: apoppin
it isn't . . . ATi is being 'acquired' by AMD
who knows what the future will bring? . . . at least AMD's future is assured with this merger
I knew about the merger.
But everyone seems to be making it into this:
"AMD has taken over ATi and decided to no longer produce graphics cards"
When all I've read is this:
"AMD has taken over ATi"
So I was wondering if I had missed a piece of news where anyone had stated ATi were now out of the graphics card business.
No clue where people are reading that ATI is getting out of the high end GPU business. It's all speculation at this point. Part of it is the nVidia fanboys proclaiming victory over ATI. Even though if ATI truly left the high end GPU market, these GPU's would shoot up in price and the quality would be inferior to if there was competition. Look at AMD vs Intel and the CPU's we have now. Look at how Creative has beaten out it's competitions (by hook and by crook, as well as being better) but their recent audio cards suck major a$$.
This is silly speculation. Reading the announcement we could just as quickly assume that AMD will be quitting the mainstream CPU business. All that I get out of the announcement is that the merger will help the two companies to expand in alternate markets they currently aren't already fairly successful in.
The news could ultimately mean very little for us, except that it should help them make more money and they could in turn use that money to make the products WE care about (CPUs/GPUs) even better.
The news could ultimately mean very little for us, except that it should help them make more money and they could in turn use that money to make the products WE care about (CPUs/GPUs) even better.
Just think... AM2 GPU's... I think in a few years we're going to have all kinds of crazy sockets for stuff.
Fallen Kell
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Havn't you even read Anand't blog on his thoughts? This is actually a very good idea for a merger/buyout at this time between CPU manufacturers and Graphics Card manufacturers. More and more processes are being offloaded from the CPU to be run on the GPU. What really makes a GPU so different from a CPU anymore? Both have a fully programable interface and machine code. Both utilize FPU's for floating point arithmatic, have fast local memory (cache or in the case of the graphics cards "graphic memory" which is really L2 cache memory). Both have input streams and output streams. Both have registers for storing local variables and "pipelines" for the process control flow of the data. So how are they different? Oh one outputs to a DVI or VGA port which communicates with a monitor and the other outputs to main memory, system bus or disk/storage (which sometimes will be to a video device, or network device, or etc., etc.,)... Hmmmmmm... yeah there is nothing in common with those items. They don't both use silicon based devices with transistors and circuit connecting them (oh, wait, they do don't they). They don't require fabrication plants that can print or embed the transistors into the silicon layer (oh... no, sorry, yeah they do that too).
If you havn't noticed yet, the difference between a GPU and a CPU is like the difference between an Ipod and a Video Ipod. A GPU and CPU are built on the exact same principals in terms of materials and follow the same rules of physics for electrical interaction and same rules of mathematics for logic circuit design. One, the GPU, is just more optimized hardware for doing matix transforms, floating point arithmatic, and pixel transforms, because that is the main result that we want to output. A CPU is simple a general purpose processor that tries to do everything well, not just a few select special purpose processes. But if you havn't noticed the writing on the wall, what game designers and graphic artics want is something that allows more flexibility in writing algorithmic code. Shaders for example. Well, since they want full programability, you need to now be a more generalist processor being able to handle more different types of code, not just a set of specific hard-coded (as in built into the hardware) functions. The future is open ended programmable graphic effects. Which makes a merger between a company that already has years of knowledge making generalist processors (CPUs in this case) a very good candidate for purchasing/merging with a graphics company.
I think they will very much keep seperate business units, but might merge or crossover on the some of the design and manufacturing process units as there is a lot of synergy in those areas.
If you havn't noticed yet, the difference between a GPU and a CPU is like the difference between an Ipod and a Video Ipod. A GPU and CPU are built on the exact same principals in terms of materials and follow the same rules of physics for electrical interaction and same rules of mathematics for logic circuit design. One, the GPU, is just more optimized hardware for doing matix transforms, floating point arithmatic, and pixel transforms, because that is the main result that we want to output. A CPU is simple a general purpose processor that tries to do everything well, not just a few select special purpose processes. But if you havn't noticed the writing on the wall, what game designers and graphic artics want is something that allows more flexibility in writing algorithmic code. Shaders for example. Well, since they want full programability, you need to now be a more generalist processor being able to handle more different types of code, not just a set of specific hard-coded (as in built into the hardware) functions. The future is open ended programmable graphic effects. Which makes a merger between a company that already has years of knowledge making generalist processors (CPUs in this case) a very good candidate for purchasing/merging with a graphics company.
I think they will very much keep seperate business units, but might merge or crossover on the some of the design and manufacturing process units as there is a lot of synergy in those areas.
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