who's "fault" is this?

melly

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Ontario boy, 7, crosses border unnoticed

MARY NERSESSIAN
STAFF REPORTER

A 7-year-old Canadian boy wandered unnoticed over the Whirlpool Bridge into the United States this weekend despite heightened border security.

Mitchel Hernder, of Niagara Falls, Ont., was found two hours after he went missing Saturday afternoon.

"Thank God he wasn't a terrorist," said Lieutenant Sal Pino of the Niagara Falls, N.Y. police. "It was a security violation, a 7-year-old should not have been allowed into the country."

Police officer John Conte found the boy several kilometres from the border, standing in the middle of a six-lane street, after getting a call from a motorist.

Mitchel, who is mildly autistic, had his name, address and phone number memorized.

"It's not often you pick up a missing child from another country," Conte told CFTO.

The boy's parents had earlier locked his bike in their garage as a punishment for wandering off without telling them.

Mitchel took his sister's bike out at about 3:45 p.m., and rode about 2 1/2 kilometres to the border crossing.

The boy told police that when he saw a "No Bicycles Allowed" sign at the border, he threw the bike over the bridge and continued on foot.

Pino said there are three ways of getting through the border at that site, "but he should have been noticed no matter how he got across."

When the Hernders discovered Mitchel was missing, they started looking in neighbours' backyards and called the police.

They were especially concerned because the boy had a habit of befriending everyone, said his father Mark Hernder.

"He has to be watched constantly," Hernder said in a telephone interview. "I turned around and he was gone, we were going nuts."

When he arrived at the police station, his son was happily playing on the computer and sipping a pop. "It was a great adventure as far as (Mitchel) was concerned."



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who is to blame here, the parents for not watching their kid, U.S. customs, or both? i use 'fault' and 'blame' loosely here. thoughts?
 

notfred

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Blame for what? Nothing happened. A kid rode his bike across town, then they found him and he went home.
 

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The boy told police that when he saw a "No Bicycles Allowed" sign at the border, he threw the bike over the bridge and continued on foot.

LOL...a funny part to what could have been a tragic event.

I blame the parents *and* the border police.
 

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uh... who the hell leaves their mildly autistic kid unsupervised?

EDIT: Although I know the challenges of parenting... Its just good that he didn't get hurt or something.
 

notfred

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Originally posted by: zsouthboy
uh... who the hell leaves their mildly autistic kid unsupervised?

YOu think his parents don't have anything else to do than stare at him constantly 24 hours a day? It takes about 15 seconds to walk outside and get on a bike.
 

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what amuses me (doesn't take much to amuse me, but that's besides the point ;) ) is that the cop said at least he wasn't a terrorist...jeebus.
 

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The parents aren't to blame for the kid getting across the border and the border patrol isn't to blame for the kid getting there in the first place. Either way, it's no big deal.
 

GtPrOjEcTX

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the company that produced the medicine that was probably given to this child as an infant. made many autistic children. sad thing.
 

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I work with kids who have autistic type behaviors. Even the best of parents have a hard time keeping track of them!

Hopefully, the parents have a good support system and this was a freak thing that is not likely to happen again.

Either way, I'm not about to judge them when I know that almost every parent has a scare where a kid gets out at least once!

<---toddled off once, husband toddled off once, one of my kids toddled off once... heck, everyone I know seems to have a story about getting out unnoticed as a kid.
 

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Originally posted by: caramel
what amuses me (doesn't take much to amuse me, but that's besides the point ;) ) is that the cop said at least he wasn't a terrorist...jeebus.

yea I noticed that also
 

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Originally posted by: GtPrOjEcTX
left for about 8 hours when I was 5-7 years old. came back, no one knew I was gone :(

(((Hugs)))

Now that's kinda bad. :( I hope they still feel guilty, 'cause they should!!!!

 

melly

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just let me clarify here because i personally don't blame the parents. i am playing devil's advocate here, since the majority of times when something happens to a kid, the parents are automatically blamed.

having said that, when i was barely a year old, i somehow managed to open up the front door, go outside and down the stairs, crawl halfway across the street in the middle of winter wearing nothing but diapers. my mom was on her way to work and was standing at the bus stop--i had decided to follow her! my gran was supposed to be watching me, but she turned her back for one minute...fortunately my mom looked back in horror and to this day still thanks god no cars were coming.

 

GtPrOjEcTX

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Originally posted by: Isla
Originally posted by: GtPrOjEcTX
left for about 8 hours when I was 5-7 years old. came back, no one knew I was gone :(

(((Hugs)))

Now that's kinda bad. :( I hope they still feel guilty, 'cause they should!!!!
I don't think I ever told them...I just remember them acting like I never left. &shrugs;
 

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Originally posted by: GtPrOjEcTX
left for about 8 hours when I was 5-7 years old. came back, no one knew I was gone :(

I left for about 8 hours every day starting when I was about 6 years old. I was usually at a neighbor's house or in the big field at the end of the street, or riding my bike around the neighborhood with my friends. My parents just wanted me home when the streetlights came on.
 

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Originally posted by: GtPrOjEcTX
Originally posted by: Isla
Originally posted by: GtPrOjEcTX
left for about 8 hours when I was 5-7 years old. came back, no one knew I was gone :(

(((Hugs)))

Now that's kinda bad. :( I hope they still feel guilty, 'cause they should!!!!
I don't think I ever told them...I just remember them acting like I never left. &shrugs;


Ah... You were an escape artist then! I was a bit of one too, but more when I was a teenager. ;)

And yi yi yi Melly... your angels were watching over you.
 

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First of all get this sign" NO WONDERING AROUND"

Second " Please return home now"

That should help if its placed in the surronding areas of the home of autistic kid.


And further solution to the border patrols.

Get this sign " Terrorist please do not enter"





 

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Originally posted by: caramel
what amuses me (doesn't take much to amuse me, but that's besides the point ;) ) is that the cop said at least he wasn't a terrorist...jeebus.

LOL
when i was 5 and in Kindergarten,i was mad at the baby sitter,where i was supposed to go,after school,,instead i went home,at the other end of the city,i had to take 2 diff buses;
and then walk almost 1/2 mile.

The school principal called the house,and i answered the phone,and tried to pretend i was my Dad,LOL
{can u hear a 5 yr old trying to sound like an adult. :) } The principal called my Mom at work,she came to the house,and brought me to her work for the rest of the day. I don't recall being spanked that time,just remember being asked why I had done that,and told everyone that i was mad at the Babysitter.
She had been angry with me before i left for school,and had acted mean to me.{i was a typical bratty boy at times, ;) }

Granted that was 1963/4 and America was a little kinder to children,i think,and i was extremly aware of how to get around the city of Albany.


 

GtPrOjEcTX

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Originally posted by: Tyler
Originally posted by: GtPrOjEcTX
left for about 8 hours when I was 5-7 years old. came back, no one knew I was gone :(

I left for about 8 hours every day starting when I was about 6 years old. I was usually at a neighbor's house or in the big field at the end of the street, or riding my bike around the neighborhood with my friends. My parents just wanted me home when the streetlights came on.
I didn't have such freedoms as a child. My parents usually didn't let me do anything unless they were there or they knew the people I'd be with very well. So it was a bit of an escape for me. Was expecting something quite different when I returned.
 

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looking after any young kid is hard. Only takes about 5 seconds and you've lost him :(

I don't blame the parents. This sort of thing will happen..........

When I was 15 or 16 can't remember exactly. I was with my youngest brother in town with the family shopping. We were in a supermarket and we turned away for a few seconds and my bro was 2 or 3 and he was GONE. We shat out pants. We found he wondered off somewhere in the supermarket though. Lucky........
 

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Originally posted by: caramel
Ontario boy, 7, crosses border unnoticed

MARY NERSESSIAN
STAFF REPORTER

A 7-year-old Canadian boy wandered unnoticed over the Whirlpool Bridge into the United States this weekend despite heightened border security.

Mitchel Hernder, of Niagara Falls, Ont., was found two hours after he went missing Saturday afternoon.

"Thank God he wasn't a terrorist," said Lieutenant Sal Pino of the Niagara Falls, N.Y. police. "It was a security violation, a 7-year-old should not have been allowed into the country."

Police officer John Conte found the boy several kilometres from the border, standing in the middle of a six-lane street, after getting a call from a motorist.

Mitchel, who is mildly autistic, had his name, address and phone number memorized.

"It's not often you pick up a missing child from another country," Conte told CFTO.

The boy's parents had earlier locked his bike in their garage as a punishment for wandering off without telling them.

Mitchel took his sister's bike out at about 3:45 p.m., and rode about 2 1/2 kilometres to the border crossing.

The boy told police that when he saw a "No Bicycles Allowed" sign at the border, he threw the bike over the bridge and continued on foot.

Pino said there are three ways of getting through the border at that site, "but he should have been noticed no matter how he got across."

When the Hernders discovered Mitchel was missing, they started looking in neighbours' backyards and called the police.

They were especially concerned because the boy had a habit of befriending everyone, said his father Mark Hernder.

"He has to be watched constantly," Hernder said in a telephone interview. "I turned around and he was gone, we were going nuts."

When he arrived at the police station, his son was happily playing on the computer and sipping a pop. "It was a great adventure as far as (Mitchel) was concerned."



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who is to blame here, the parents for not watching their kid, U.S. customs, or both? i use 'fault' and 'blame' loosely here. thoughts?

is there no canadian customs on the other side of the bridge?