Who's buying Skylake-X? (You may now change your vote)

[ozzy702]

Go Ryzen. ASRock X370 Taichi and Professional Gaming has two M2 slots (although 2nd M2 slot disables one of the PCIe slots), and ten SATA ports.

I'll have to look at it but the board can run two M.2 simultaneously with 10 SATA ports. I have two M2 slots on my current MOBO and 10 SATA ports but they cannot all run at the same time.

Edit: I looked at the user manual and it looks like M.2 only disables a PCIE slot on Ryzen. Very nice.

For the record, I'm an AMD fan. I've owned far more products from AMD than from Intel/NVIDIA. That being said, with the exception of $1200+ CPUs, price isn't really a factor for me when considering purchasing and there is just something that short circuits my brain when thinking about going backwards with per-core performance, both in IPC and clock speed. I'm all for moar cores, but I don't want to sacrifice per core performance from where my 7700k is.

That being said, I'll probably build a six core Ryzen box this summer/fall to use at work.

 

[CHADBOGA]

Meaningful increases in performance in what, though?

Most desktop applications.

 

[krumme]

Skl x will certainly be super fast and super expensive.
1 year ago it wouild have been a blast.
But its stuck in a bad place foremost between 6c coffee lake that will make a good showing in all new and old games and with a gpu. A 8c ryzen r7 that is dirt cheap and will be hard to beat even for perf regardless of its cheap price and a 16c amd "r9" that will just walk all over in the same tdp bracket and have all the pci lanes and mem channels for prof market.

Its going to be a tough position and by far worse than ever. Niche cases with branched more single threaded code with wide fpu code.
Dont know how much this actually matters for Intel profit in the grander sceme. A niche became a far smaller niche....meh.

 

[Arachnotronic]

That would be a fail.

Skylake-X with the reworked cache is meant to have meaningful IPC increases.

Yeah, the beefier L2 cache is supposed to help performance (much lower miss rate in the L2), this The L2 cache is kept anemic on the client products for cost and possibly power reasons.

 

[xdfg]

Skylake-X is going to be another gimped release from Intel. No hex-channel memory, no AVX-512, etc. Buy Ryzen.

 

[ozzy702]

Skylake-X is going to be another gimped release from Intel. No hex-channel memory, no AVX-512, etc. Buy Ryzen.

Why? Ryzen doesn't have either and neither make a difference for 99.9% of us. If you want to talk about performance/price fine but "just buy Ryzen because Intel sucks" isn't much of an argument.

 

[xdfg]

Why? Ryzen doesn't have either and neither make a difference for 99.9% of us. If you want to talk about performance/price fine but "just buy Ryzen because Intel sucks" isn't much of an argument.

I won't support gimped CPUs. It doesn't matter to me if Ryzen is faster or not; I want to support honest business practices, not this artificially handicapped s*** from Intel. Ethical business practices are worth so much more than 1-2 fps in some games.

 

[LTC8K6]

Skylake-X is going to be another gimped release from Intel. No hex-channel memory, no AVX-512, etc. Buy Ryzen.

That makes no sense at all to me as an argument for either.

We don't even know anything about SL-X besides the socket and the L2 cache...

You actually want to have to buy lots of ram sticks?

 

[w3rd]

I think a lot of you have your sku pricing way off.
There is no way nearing 2018, that a 6core (no matter who makes it) can ask much more than $249~$300 bucks. Period!

Your gaming sessions and your OS doesn't care about 4.3Ghz vs 4.9Ghz. Multi-Cores are the new frontier & it is dropping on people's heads faster than they can comprehend. The CPU war is here & some people seem a little shocked standing in the middle of it...

Just need the HEDT boards to see what is what. 8 core or higher... or go home.

 

[lolfail9001]

I want to support honest business practices

Sure, if you want to support incorporeal things, do it. But that's hardly what people pay for with CPUs, they pay for something material, you know. And six channel RAM is the last material thing generic Skylake-X buyer would need. So is AVX-512 for that matter, even though it is likely present.

The CPU war is here & some people seem a little shocked standing in the middle of it...

CPU war is in enthusiast minds. As far as i can see, it does not yet exist elsewhere.

 

[2blzd]

I built a new system from scratch last Summer/Fall because I thought I would be needing it this year and all my major projects are hitting when Sky-X is dropping...shoulda waited..

 

[krumme]

I built a new system from scratch last Summer/Fall because I thought I would be needing it this year and all my major projects are hitting when Sky-X is dropping...shoulda waited..

For what?

 

[krumme]

Skylake-X is going to be another gimped release from Intel. No hex-channel memory, no AVX-512, etc. Buy Ryzen.

Its actually a good argument. With a twist.
Those that bought bwe who actually needed the quad channel memory or pci lanes? As in measurable real world benefit?
I think its like 5% of the segment. They got bwe because it was lots of computing power in a fine tdp.
Now a ryzen delivers practically the same for less than half cost.

I think the basic problem for Intel is amd can box and label this ryzen server cpu in all configurations and change it fast.

They have a 32c server platform. In a two socket mb.
Do hedt need that?

If yes. Amd just sells a 64c hedt system.
They dont have to care for Intel segmentation.
So if Intel respond with a 20c hedt Amd just launch 32c the week later.

Intel is bound to have lost this segment for performance.

 

[moonbogg]

I think a lot of you have your sku pricing way off.
There is no way nearing 2018, that a 6core (no matter who makes it) can ask much more than $249~$300 bucks. Period!

Your gaming sessions and your OS doesn't care about 4.3Ghz vs 4.9Ghz. Multi-Cores are the new frontier & it is dropping on people's heads faster than they can comprehend. The CPU war is here & some people seem a little shocked standing in the middle of it...

Just need the HEDT boards to see what is what. 8 core or higher... or go home.

Do you seriously think Intel will charge that much for their 6 core chips? I'm expecting the usual $4-600 or whatever for their 6 core chips. I don't even think intel cares if its slower than an 8 core Ryzen, they'll just go ahead and price their products at twice the cost of the competition anyway IMO. I really hope they do. It would be a great circus to watch them try to get away with their brain damaged pricing this time around.

 

[Imperceptible]

Yes, one of the 8 core chips please, along with 32GB DDR4 3600 and an Optane PCIe SSD.

 

[lolfail9001]

It would be a great circus to watch them try to get away with their brain damaged pricing this time around.

They will?

 

[LTC8K6]

I think a lot of you have your sku pricing way off.
There is no way nearing 2018, that a 6core (no matter who makes it) can ask much more than $249~$300 bucks. Period!

Your gaming sessions and your OS doesn't care about 4.3Ghz vs 4.9Ghz. Multi-Cores are the new frontier & it is dropping on people's heads faster than they can comprehend. The CPU war is here & some people seem a little shocked standing in the middle of it...

Just need the HEDT boards to see what is what. 8 core or higher... or go home.

You really can't predict the future, though.

The thing being discussed lately is doing a few things at once with their computer and having the main task still run quickly. If people want to do that, then they probably will notice and care about the clock speed of their 6 or 8 core cpu. You mention 4.3 vs 4.9, which is about 15%.

If ipc and core counts are similar, then it will basically be down to clock speeds.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Skylake-X is going to be another gimped release from Intel. No hex-channel memory, no AVX-512, etc. Buy Ryzen.

Ryzen has neither of these features and is slower than the equivalent Intel and more than just "1 or 2 fps" as you stated in your follow-up post. With that being said, pricing is important to me and if Intel continues following their ridiculous HEDT pricing scheme from Broadwell E, I will go Ryzen or Coffee Lake.

 

[woozle64]

I was waiting on an affordable 8-core intel chip since Sandy Bridge...ended up going with an 1800x since Intel keeps shitting the bed on pricing. Hope Ryzen knocks some sense into Intel.

No skylake-x here.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

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I think a lot of you have your sku pricing way off.
There is no way nearing 2018, that a 6core (no matter who makes it) can ask much more than $249~$300 bucks. Period!

You remind me of the guys who argued with me early last year about what Broadwell E pricing was going to be. Those guys INSISTED that the 10 core model would slide into the previous pricing tier occupied by the 8 core model ($999), the 8 core model would slide down into the top 6 core model tier, etc. I told them there was no way - zero, zilch, nada - that the 10 core model was going to be less than $1200-$1300 and the other models would slide into their existing tiers because Intel had no incentive to do so - AMD was simply not providing ANY competition to force Intel to drop prices. I was obviously right but even I didn't comprehend that Intel would gouge THAT MUCH on the 10 core model.

While this new competition is great and hopefully helps us on pricing, what you are forgetting is that 1) PC sales are continuing to drop year after year and you'll note where Intel's real focus has been over the past few years and 2) HEDT is a niche market for Intel and it is just a way for them to make huge margins (on relatively low volume sales) with little effort or expense. Ryzen is obviously a nice product and I do think it will put SOME pricing pressure on Intel, but you're not going to see the 12 core SKL-X sell for $800 and probably not even $1000, though I would be EXTREMELY happy to be wrong on this point.

Your gaming sessins and your OS doesn't care about 4.3Ghz vs 4.9Ghz. Multi-Cores are the new frontier & it is dropping on people's heads faster than they can comprehend. The CPU war is here & some people seem a little shocked standing in the middle of it...

Just need the HEDT boards to see what is what. 8 core or higher... or go home.

Multi-cores are not a "new frontier" by any stretch of the imagination. Multi-core CPUs have been available to consumers since 2004 or 2005. I bought my first in 2005 or 2006 IIRC (Athlon X2 4800, which was a fabulous CPU). Quad cores were plentiful by 2007 and hex cores were introduced in what, 2009 or 2010? Even with all of that, you'll note from gaming benches that most games are still not benefitting tremendously from 6+ core CPUs - sure, a few games obviously do, but the GPU is still the single biggest performance booster for a gaming PC and I don't think that will change in the near future. Hopefully the proliferation of 6+ core CPUs WILL spur developers to take more advantage of additional cores but I think it is still a little ways off.

 

[Hail The Brain Slug]

If we look at the history of HEDT, Broadwell-E was supposed to just be a clock bump while keeping the SKU's in place as they are. The Skylake-X generation is where they would bump the 8 core down one SKU, meaning the $600 part would be an 8 core. Of course, following history the $1000 part would remain an 8 core. There is no history on the $1750 sku to forecast what they will do with it.

I'm entirely certain Intel is going to shakeup their HEDT SKU positioning with Skylake-X in response to Ryzen, though. If they don't, it would be suicide.

I am not planning on buying into Skylake-X because my 5960X system should last a long time still, now that 8 cores are just now becoming popular it isn't going to fall behind for a while.

I do know two people who are waiting for me to give them the word it has come out so they can buy it immediately. They've been waiting quite a while now, and one is going to upgrade a 3930k.

 

[Edrick]

Meaningful increases in performance in what, though? This redesigned cache may be designed to maximise AVX-512 performance- the bigger L2 could lead to increased memory latency.

Pretty much this.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Do you seriously think Intel will charge that much for their 6 core chips? I'm expecting the usual $4-600 or whatever for their 6 core chips. I don't even think intel cares if its slower than an 8 core Ryzen, they'll just go ahead and price their products at twice the cost of the competition anyway IMO. I really hope they do. It would be a great circus to watch them try to get away with their brain damaged pricing this time around.

The 6 core/12 thread CFL-S is a direct replacement for the 7700K.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Skylake-X is going to be another gimped release from Intel. No hex-channel memory, no AVX-512, etc. Buy Ryzen.

Nonsense. The Skylake-X parts for enthusiasts will have AVX-512 enabled.

The lack of hex-channel is for platform cost reasons. How many times have people whined on this forum that HEDT requires that you buy quad channel memory (though it doesn't actually require it) and that this was a reason HEDT sucked?

Imagine "having" to buy hex-channel memory?

 

[w3rd]

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You remind me of the guys who argued with me early last year about what Broadwell E pricing was going to be. Those guys INSISTED that the 10 core model would slide into the previous pricing tier occupied by the 8 core model ($999), the 8 core model would slide down into the top 6 core model tier, etc. I told them there was no way - zero, zilch, nada - that the 10 core model was going to be less than $1200-$1300 and the other models would slide into their existing tiers because Intel had no incentive to do so - AMD was simply not providing ANY competition to force Intel to drop prices. I was obviously right but even I didn't comprehend that Intel would gouge THAT MUCH on the 10 core model.

While this new competition is great and hopefully helps us on pricing, what you are forgetting is that 1) PC sales are continuing to drop year after year and you'll note where Intel's real focus has been over the past few years and 2) HEDT is a niche market for Intel and it is just a way for them to make huge margins (on relatively low volume sales) with little effort or expense. Ryzen is obviously a nice product and I do think it will put SOME pricing pressure on Intel, but you're not going to see the 12 core SKL-X sell for $800 and probably not even $1000, though I would be EXTREMELY happy to be wrong on this point.




Multi-cores are not a "new frontier" by any stretch of the imagination. Multi-core CPUs have been available to consumers since 2004 or 2005. I bought my first in 2005 or 2006 IIRC (Athlon X2 4800, which was a fabulous CPU). Quad cores were plentiful by 2007 and hex cores were introduced in what, 2009 or 2010? Even with all of that, you'll note from gaming benches that most games are still not benefitting tremendously from 6+ core CPUs - sure, a few games obviously do, but the GPU is still the single biggest performance booster for a gaming PC and I don't think that will change in the near future. Hopefully the proliferation of 6+ core CPUs WILL spur developers to take more advantage of additional cores but I think it is still a little ways off.

No, I am not that^ guy (who you had an argument with last year).
So nothing you just said matters, as I already stated how I see 2018 unfolding. With software pushing it all. Ironically, it seem you are having an argument with yourself here & including me somehow. I am saying the industry has changed and Dr Su has changed the topography of gaming and Personal Computers. Cores are the future and they are coming faster than you would like to admit. I am willing to bet, that I have a firmer grasp on the industry, than you.


Lastly, I don't think you make a compelling argument for yourself. Even the stuff you tried to rebuttal, in your own post above is based on old thinking (2016). You fail to understand, that even you right now, YOU can buy a modern 8Core CPU for $329.

Why pay more..?