Who's buying Skylake-X? (You may now change your vote)

[Arachnotronic]

No need to be on the defense there. My post was offering perspective on what I feel is a bad value proposition. I was not whining, don't be upset!

Thank you for your perspective, but other people value different things. Personally, I'm thrilled at the value prop of the 8 core SKX and even the 10 core is a sweet deal given that all 10 cores are guaranteed to run at 4.3GHz (just need the right cooling). X299 is also a nice platform and some of the mobos built on X299, though expensive, look droolworthy.

If CFL-S is not compatible with Z270, I will in all likelihood go for a SKX, probably that 8 core.

 

[Rifter]

Intel didnt come down on prices nearly enough to be competitive, they must not consider AMD a threat, this is a big mistake IMO but we wil see how it plays out over the next few years. And the fact that they are selling $1k+ CPU's that arnt soldered is honestly laughable.

AMD still wins by a large margin on price/perf, and intel still hold the highest perf crown and has prices not at all based in reality. So basically nothing changed. If buying HEDT on a budget go AMD, not on a budget go intel. Same old same old.

 

[Ajay]

No need to be on the defense there. My post was offering perspective on what I feel is a bad value proposition. I was not whining, don't be upset!

Then why didn't you use more comparable systems, like an 1800x + 16gb of Samsung b-die ram and a Taichi x370 mobo = $850? Seems like you were trying to stack the deck. That doesn't sit well with me.

 

[swilli89]

Intel didnt come down on prices nearly enough to be competitive, they must not consider AMD a threat, this is a big mistake IMO but we wil see how it plays out over the next few years. And the fact that they are selling $1k+ CPU's that arnt soldered is honestly laughable.

Exactly what I am saying!

If buying HEDT on a budget go AMD, not on a budget go intel. .

And you mean literally "no" budget.

Let's say you are a wise gamer and realize the correct way to build a rig that will last a while is to get 8 cores. I think most here agree on that. Say you have a very sizeable budget of $1800 to spend shall we?

Intel rig w/ with 7820X
CPU: $599
Mobo: $250
Ram: $150
PSU: $100
SDD: $200
Case: $100
Balance: $400

Geforce 1070: $400

$0 leftover and you are equipped with a Geforce 1070.

AMD rig w/ 1700X
CPU: $400
Mobo: $100
Ram: $150
PSU: $100
SDD: $200
Case: $100
Balance: $750

Geforce 1080 Ti: $750

$0 leftover and you are equipped with a Geforce 1080 Ti.

So I think for many gamers like myself that also dabble in content creation the current Intel HEDT pricing for Skylake is a non-starter.

 

[Sweepr]

So I think for many gamers like myself that also dabble in content creation the current Intel HEDT pricing for Skylake is a non-starter.

Amazon's list of best selling CPU suggests your 'many gamers that also do content creation' refers to a niche at best. And among those, some will be waiting to see what Coffee Lake has to offer in August.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Exactly what I am saying!



And you mean literally "no" budget.

Let's say you are a wise gamer and realize the correct way to build a rig that will last a while is to get 8 cores. I think most here agree on that. Say you have a very sizeable budget of $1800 to spend shall we?

Intel rig w/ with 7820X
CPU: $599
Mobo: $250
Ram: $150
PSU: $100
SDD: $200
Case: $100
Balance: $400

Geforce 1070: $400

$0 leftover and you are equipped with a Geforce 1070.

AMD rig w/ 1700X
CPU: $400
Mobo: $100
Ram: $150
PSU: $100
SDD: $200
Case: $100
Balance: $750

Geforce 1080 Ti: $750

$0 leftover and you are equipped with a Geforce 1080 Ti.

So I think for many gamers like myself that also dabble in content creation the current Intel HEDT pricing for Skylake is a non-starter.

The Intel rig will perform better. Why is it such a controversial concept that more performance costs money?

 

[formulav8]

Why is it such a controversial concept that more performance costs money?

Depends on how much extra the performance is and costs.

 

[ddogg]

The Intel rig will perform better. Why is it such a controversial concept that more performance costs money?

It becomes a controversial topic when you're paying double for single digit performance increases.

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[jpiniero]

It becomes a controversial topic when you're paying double for single digit performance increases.

It'll be way more than that. Hell, the 7800X should be faster in pretty much everything compared to the 1800X (OC vs OC).

 

[krumme]

Then why didn't you use more comparable systems, like an 1800x + 16gb of Samsung b-die ram and a Taichi x370 mobo = $850? Seems like you were trying to stack the deck. That doesn't sit well with me.

Because it isnt good value?
But i guess thats the point.

Like comparing a 1700 with 80usd 350 to a taichi 1800x samsung b die.

Btw this b die isnt really needed for 3200 anymore if you dont need low cas.

 

[Ajay]

It'll be way more than that. Hell, the 7800X should be faster in pretty much everything compared to the 1800X (OC vs OC).

?? I doubt it'll be faster in MT tasks. Oh didn't notice OC vs OC. We will have to wait for reviews for that, and it's a big question now with the lame TIM being used in SKX.

 

[Ajay]

Because it isnt good value?
But i guess thats the point.

Like comparing a 1700 with 80usd 350 to a taichi 1800x samsung b die.

Btw this b die isnt really needed for 3200 anymore if you dont need low cas.

Not what I've read, though this should be the case for most boards with the June BIOS update.

 

[krumme]

It becomes a controversial topic when you're paying double for single digit performance increases.

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I get your point and i dont think a 8c skl x cant get over 4.4 before its meltdown for most users. Still at 4.4 its more like 20% faster than a 3.9 1700 and more functionality (avx2 pcilanes ram channels) - albeit at the slight expense of power.

 

[krumme]

Not what I've read, though this should be the case for most boards with the June BIOS update.

Yeaa thats what i meant. Agesa 1.0.0.6 is needed here. But yes else its b die all the way.

 

[formulav8]

some will be waiting to see what Coffee Lake has to offer in August

And possibly wondering if Intel requires a new mobo than what some have already bought this same year.

 

[ddogg]

It'll be way more than that. Hell, the 7800X should be faster in pretty much everything compared to the 1800X (OC vs OC).

Highly doubt it. At best it's marginally faster in MT tasks with a slight advantage in IPC.

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[krumme]

And possibly wondering if Intel requires a new mobo than what some have already bought this same year.

Just today skimmed anand review of the 32nm 6c 980x from marts 2010. He plugged it in the same motherboard he used for the review of the 45nm 920 in nov 2008 !!!
Damn that was nice. Only a bios was needed.
I am still perplexed by this 270 to 370 hell. Hopefully it can be done by bios also. Because its like 7 months or what?

 

[formulav8]

Because its like 7 months or what?

Yes sir, Agree. I don't think Intel would be that way though. Well, hopefully not. That would be quite the negative to many peoples.

 

[ArizonaSteve]

After seeing that Skylake-X is using cheap and crappy TIM instead of being soldered I will be looking at ThreadRipper. No solder, no buy.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

After seeing that Skylake-X is using cheap and crappy TIM instead of being soldered I will be looking at ThreadRipper. No solder, no buy.

I understand how you feel about the matter - I am feeling the same disappointment - however wouldn't you want to wait for reviews first before dismissing it beforehand? You may be surprised? Or not, but at least you'll have all the facts. I'm buying myself but am waiting for trustworthy reviews first with a special interest regarding this matter, however it'll have to be bad to put me off.

 

[zinfamous]

?? I doubt it'll be faster in MT tasks. Oh didn't notice OC vs OC. We will have to wait for reviews for that, and it's a big question now with the lame TIM being used in SKX.

OC vs OC? Oh, you have to watch some youtube videos, buy a secondary kit from some dude that is totally legit, some compound, a few skills....and disassemble your Intel chip and finish the job yourself before you can make a fair test there, because Intel didn't feel it was worth their time to do it for you--but it was definitely worth your money to not do it for you.

funny, that.

 

[Ajay]

OC vs OC? Oh, you have to disassemble your Intel chip and finish the job yourself before you can make a fair test there, because Intel didn't feel it was worth their time to do it for you--but it was definitely worth your money to not do it for you.

funny, that.

Uh, what? These new X CPUs have unlocked multis - what is your point?

Edit: lol, great stealth edit! I get it now

 

[tamz_msc]

Uh, what? These new X CPUs have unlocked multis - what is your point?

His point is that to reach Turbo 2.0 speeds on all cores you have to delid your 600-1000$ chips.

 

[jihe]

Not me! Seems like Skylake-X will use TIM instead of soldered heatspreader. LOL that's just pathetic from Intel, a giant middle finger to consumers everywhere.

 

[coercitiv]

I am still perplexed by this 270 to 370 hell. Hopefully it can be done by bios also. Because its like 7 months or what?

It will be even stranger if locked SKUs launch in Aug and non Z boards launch in Q1 2018. If 200 series do no support CFL-S, then consumers buying into locked CFL will have to shell out for Z370 boards.