Whooo! My CPU is an air conditioner!

Lord Evermore

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According to MSI, my X2 CPU is running at -10C using the stock heatsink/fan, despite it being 29C in the rest of the case. It must be only a matter of time before the rest of the case cools down and the whole thing becomes a block of ice. However with my apartment a/c running maybe I can keep it dry.

:D

I had the a/c running all day while I was sleeping, and it was raining and cool outside so it got really cold in the apartment (68F according to my fridge thermometer sitting on my desk), I wanted to see how that was affecting my computer temps, how much of that cool air was getting in there. Normally it runs at about 43 to 45 when the apartment is just in the tolerable warm range. I found that the laws of physics had broken down inside the case.

So, apparently the CPU was at 12 degrees Fahrenheit. Touching the heatsink certainly seemed warmer than that. Maybe I need to put better thermal goop on there. :) MSI's CoreCenter unfortunately doesn't give readings in F so I had to convert using the calculation.

Anyway I shut down to see what the BIOS hardware monitor actually said. Apparently my house isn't about to fall into a spacetime rift, it's just a BIOS/monitoring bug. It was reading -10C/50F. Calculations show that 50F is actually +10C. Of course even that is impossible given the temperature of the air in the apartment and the rest of the case.

I'm not sure if there's a threshold where the readings suddenly jump 30 degrees, or if they just slowly got less and less accurate as it got cooler, going down by 2 degrees for each 1 actual degree, then 3 for 1, then 4 for 1, etc. Running two session of Prime95 has only managed to get the CPU back up to +1C in CoreCenter. I'll see what happens as the apartment warms up now that the a/c is off.

Just goes to show how unreliable and inaccurate temperature monitoring is. If I took the 50F reading from my BIOS, that's 15 degrees minimum difference between what the BIOS showed and what the actual air temperature was, which would be the minimum CPU temperature. So my usual 45C readings might actually be as high as 60C depending on what degree of inaccuracy there is as the temperature rises. The 56C 100% load readings I was getting might have been 71C or more! Am I concerned though? Not really; the system doesn't crash and Prime95 doesn't get any errors, so I'm all good.
 

corkyg

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Holy cow, Lord! You can now store white wine in your PC case! :)
 

Lord Evermore

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Wow this thing is unreliable. I've been sitting here running 2 Prime95 sessions so both cores are at 100%, with the torture test set to the maximum heat option, and the temperature got up to +1C, and now has gone down to -1 again, even though the room is warming up slowly.
 

Lord Evermore

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OMG! I put the side of the case back on and it got even colder! -2C now.

Guess I have an awesome airflow configuration that's totally thrown off by having the side of the case open. Nice to know.
 

imported_michaelpatrick33

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You have solved global warming! All we need is to use that censor for our average temperature probe and it will be like an ice age. Heck we would need to radically increase carbon dioxide emissions to save lives!
 

Ike0069

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Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
Is it cold with solution?

He must be. That's the only way I've ever known that someone can get below freezing for CPU temps. If only we could get someone to actually bottle this stuff and sell it.
 

Lord Evermore

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This is f'ed up. After 3.5 hours of Prime95 on both cores, with the ambient temperature at 78F, the CPU was reading -6. I stopped p95 and it's now reading -13. It's gotten even COLDER as the air temperature has gone up.

And still going down. It's now at -15C in the 30 seconds since I posted.
 

n7

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Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler
Try SpeedFan. If that doesn't work, you have a messed up sensor chip.


LOL

I think that's obvious already :p

Actually though, get Core Temp, or Intel's Thermal Analysis Tool if you can find it, & report back with temps please :)
 

Lord Evermore

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Something's definitely wrong. It's now down to -17C.

I'm wondering about the BIOS reading. When I rebooted before, the BIOS showed that it was at -10C, +50F, which is way off from the actual equivalent temperature scales (aside from it not being possible that it was even 50F). Does the BIOS just read the thermal probe once, figure out what temperature that is in one scale or the other, then calculate what that temperature is in the other scale? Or does it read the thermal probe and then separately calculate the two scales based on that reading? Meaning since it's not a physical thermometer, the BIOS reads the voltage from the probe and is supposed to be calibrated so that a particular voltage/current level means X degrees on one scale, but does it have different calibrations for the two scales so that one could be corrupted?
 

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Originally posted by: Lord Evermore
Something's definitely wrong. It's now down to -17C.

I'm wondering about the BIOS reading. When I rebooted before, the BIOS showed that it was at -10C, +50F, which is way off from the actual equivalent temperature scales (aside from it not being possible that it was even 50F). Does the BIOS just read the thermal probe once, figure out what temperature that is in one scale or the other, then calculate what that temperature is in the other scale? Or does it read the thermal probe and then separately calculate the two scales based on that reading? Meaning since it's not a physical thermometer, the BIOS reads the voltage from the probe and is supposed to be calibrated so that a particular voltage/current level means X degrees on one scale, but does it have different calibrations for the two scales so that one could be corrupted?


MSI is infamous for bad temp sensors. If there is a BIOS update...try that but I know with my K8N neo platinum it took them 7 BIOS revisions to get most peoples temps sensors to work correctly.
 

Lord Evermore

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Well the thing is, it was working fine before. I don't know how accurate it was but it certainly wasn't this screwed up. It was reading 43C before tonight when idle.

I just shut the whole thing down and flipped off the switch on the PSU so there was no power at all, let it sit for over half an hour. Went into the BIOS and it was reading -23C and 73F.

I was going to flash the BIOS, they just released 1.3 for the K9N Platinum so that might have been useful anyway for the terrible overclocking on this board.
 

Lord Evermore

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Well I'm stumped. BIOS update didn't make any difference to the temperature readings. It's very strange that it would suddenly change like this.
 

ForumMaster

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well congrats! you made a new record for temps on air cooling! i one had speedfan claim that my CPU was at 20C! although maybe it's possible since the case was open and it was winter with CPUIdle.
 

n7

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Originally posted by: Budman
typical MSI quality. ;)

MSI makes some good stuff.

Just maybe not their temp sensors ;)

My Neo2 = best mobo i've owned thus far IMO.
It too read temps too high though...