.Whoever stands by a just cause cannot possibly be called a terrorist, Yassir Arafat
to all the zionists out there Arafat may be dead, but he lives in every single drop of palestinian blood.
Whoever stands by a just cause cannot possibly be called a terrorist.
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.Whoever stands by a just cause cannot possibly be called a terrorist, Yassir Arafat
to all the zionists out there Arafat may be dead, but he lives in every single drop of palestinian blood.
Except the moderate non-Nazi ones who don?t believe that you must drive the Jews in to the ocean, and don?t support someone who made his name by killing school children.
unless you intentionally target civilian populations for the express intent of causing terror in said population.
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the difference between a hamas leader surrounding himself with children, and Israel attacking anyway Vs. strapping a bomb to yourself and blowing up a pizza parlor just to make people afraid of going out to eat is something that most reasonable thinking individuals understand.
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this is just a small example of sharon's heoric acts
But his triumph was not warmly welcomed in the Arab world -- particularly among Palestinians -- for his role in the 1982 massacre in the Sabra and Shatila Palestinian refugee camps during the Israeli invasion of Lebanon. CNN
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/W...rael.sharon/index.html
more than 300 women and children were killed ill try to find some pics, and this happened in a single hour
But his triumph was not warmly welcomed in the Arab world -- particularly among Palestinians -- for his role in the 1982 massacre in the Sabra and Shatila Palestinian refugee camps during the Israeli invasion of Lebanon. CNN
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/W...rael.sharon/index.html
more than 300 women and children were killed ill try to find some pics, and this happened in a single hour
How is Yassir Arafat the GOPs new boogeyman? He's been a turd eating terrorist coward for many past Admins not just Bush. Hes made blowing up civilians a National pastime.
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I doubt it but he did everything he could to prevent Palestinians from actually getting any freedom. There might actually be a chance for peace now that he's dead.
Palestine Monitor, a Palestinian NGO, has come up with an accurate overview of the number of Palestinians killed in the four year period. According to its figures, 3334 people were killed by Israeli soldiers, police or settlers, 82 per cent civilians. Israeli troops killed 621 children under the age of 17 ?411 with rubber bullets and 200 with life ammunition? with another 10,000 wounded.
Figures for Israeli casualties come from B?Tselem, an Israeli human rights group. Of the more than 1,000 Israelis killed, 635 were civilians (63.5%) including 110 children who died in attacks that targeted civilians
refrence http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=1576
please compare those numbers and tell me who is killing who!!!!!
Figures for Israeli casualties come from B?Tselem, an Israeli human rights group. Of the more than 1,000 Israelis killed, 635 were civilians (63.5%) including 110 children who died in attacks that targeted civilians
refrence http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=1576
please compare those numbers and tell me who is killing who!!!!!
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Yeah peace at the end of a Israeli gun. Arafat gone Bush in power for 4 more years. There is going to be a lot of dead brown skinned peoples
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Both sides are wrong but ya know things COULD have been played out a bit more tactfully invading a foreign peoples land to settle it you know? Bullying a indigenous people is pretty chickenshit in the same way as what happened to the israelis in WW2.
They have now become the opressors now in some sick way they have been taught.
They have now become the opressors now in some sick way they have been taught.
yep, but anti-Jew bigots in America will still side with the Palestinians.
maybe get a UN resolution first... oh, wait... they did
maybe they could offer to let the people of the land join Israel... oh, wait... they did.
ok, ok... maybe they could only fight back when attacked... oh, what's that? they did?
well, maybe they could target the military despite having there civilians attacked... oh..
man.. i just can't think of one way in which they could have played it out more tactfully...
but i don't understand why your perceived lack of 'tact' would make a man who rose to power because he killed school children a 'hero'.
If you really reviewed the security's council resolutions you?ll clearly see that resolution 242 asks Israel to withdraw from all the lands occupied by 1967. did Israel comply? NO so not tactics here haa?
And please stop giving us those anti Semitic claims of abuse blaaaah, to your knowledge Arabs are Semitic coz they are cousins with Jews so cut the cra p, read the bible.
Not anti Semite, anti Jew, as in: the people who believe in the Jewish Religion.
There's a Nazi inspired fatwa ordering all Jews be driven into the sea.
Treaty violations and unfortunate killing of civilians has occurred on both sides:
unfortunately the Palestinians target the civilians and put there own children in the way, while the Israelis target those who intend to do them harm.
Again, not all, many disagree with this nut-job idea of driving the Jews into the ocean and truly want to embrace a 2 state solution? a solution that can never occur as long as people like you continue to pretend that those who intentionally target and kill children are anything more than unGodly terrorists.
is it ever a just cause to murder inocent people?
i'm glad i don't understand the rest of the world. how can people foster so much hate? religion is a stupid thing to fight over, and desert property ranks a close second.
i'm glad i don't understand the rest of the world. how can people foster so much hate? religion is a stupid thing to fight over, and desert property ranks a close second.
i dont understand why do you leave all the moderate people in the arab world who are more than 90% of the population and find me a fatwa ( a religious opinion of a preacher ) that was made by a stupid illiterate idiot who is probably hiding with his satanic friend bin laden in some whole?
who is being an extrimist here?
when u compare your self with them you are as good as any of them.
who is being an extrimist here?
when u compare your self with them you are as good as any of them.
WTF does brown skinned people have to do with it, both sides look about the same to me. It amazes me how you Ultra Leftists Elite types are always trying to insert some kind of Racism into any subject.
Who was on the Land before the Palistenians?
read the bible my friend david came to palestine from egypt!!!! right?!!!!
now who was living there while the jews were in egypt?
i guess the answer is clear, again read the bible.
now who was living there while the jews were in egypt?
i guess the answer is clear, again read the bible.
since i'm not big on the bible howz about this--- little before david i think.
Land of Canaan, 2000 B.C.E.--
Even before 3000 B.C.E., West Semitic tribal groups speaking variations of the Canaanite tongue inhabited much of what is now the modern Middle East. Many settled in the Syria-Canaan lands of Ancient Palestine. Early Mesopotamian documents refer to both nomadic shepherds and to traders. One such group, the Habiru {or Hapiru} migrated into Palestine perhaps as early as 2000 B.C.E. from northern Mesopotamia; later elements from among them formed the ancient Hebrews. As they entered Ancient Palestine, the Phoenicians in the north and the Philistines in the south occupied definite areas. "Phoenicia" is the Greek translation of "Canaan,"--the land of purple merchants," referring perhaps to the dye they used to colour cloth. Indeed, it is from the time of Canaan that Bethlehem is believed to have derived its name, Bethlehem - Beit Lahem in Arabic ("The house of Lahman - a Canaanite God").
The Canaanites, were a Semitic people speaking a language remarkably close to Hebrew. They were farmers, some were nomads, but they were also civilized. They used the great Mesopotamian cities as their model and had built modest imitations of them. They had also learned military technology and tactics from the Mesopotamians, as well as law. Thus when the Hebrews arrived at Canaan, they began the long, painful, and disappointing process of settling the land, but being uncivilized, tribal, and nomadic, they faced a formidable enemy. Even the accounts of this period in the Hebrew bible, the books of Joshua and Judges paint a pretty dreary picture of the occupation. They are eventually driven from the coastal plains and forced to settle in the central hill country and a few places in the Jordan River valley. They also faced another looming enemy, the Philistines, who overwhelmed everyone in their path. They had chariots and iron weapons and few could stand against these new technologies.
Thus it was that the Hebrews found themselves living in the worst areas of Canaan, spread thinly across the entire region, with the balance of power constantly shifting as local kingdoms would grab and then lose territory, finding themselves first under one and then another master.
and then the change:
Muslim Palestine, 638-1099 CE
The Umayyads, 638-750 CE
With the rise of Islam, Palestine was soon acquired by Muslims under the Umayyads in 638 CE. For the first time in its long history, Jerusalem had been spared a bloodbath. Eager to be rid of their Byzantine overlords, whilst recognising the Muslims reputation for mercy and compassion, the people of Jerusalem handed over the city after a brief siege. Only one condition was made: that their terms of surrender be negotiated by the Caliph Umar (RA) in person. In return for surrender, the Patriarch of Jerusalem, Sophronius, was granted a writ of privileges which guaranteed the right of Christians to maintain their holy places and pursue their customs unhindered. Umar entered Jerusalem on foot. There was no bloodshed. Those who wanted to leave were allowed to do so with all their goods, whilst those who chose to stay were guaranteed the protection of their lives, property and places of worship. Thus began 1300 years of Muslim presence in what became known as Filastin.
The new rulers did not impose their religion upon the indigenous Palestinians but most of them converted to Islam in little over a century, whilst those Christians and Jews that chose not to, were allowed considerable autonomy their own affairs along with religious freedom and security. Under Muslim rule, the Jews were permitted back into Palestine with Jewish communities and were allowed to prosper. It was in this first century of Islamic rule in Jerusalem, that Abd Al-Malik ibn Al Marwan, a leading caliph of the dynasty, built the Dome of the Rock, inaugurated in 691.
Jerusalem was recognized as the third holiest city in Islam, after Mecca and Medina, and as a destination for pilgrimage. This was so because the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) had first designated his followers to face Jerusalem when praying (which later changed to Mecca). It is also the site where the prophet Muhammed (pbuh) ascended to Heaven on his night journey (al-Miraj) from the area in Jerusalem where the Dome of the Rock was later built. The city was therefore, after Makkah and Medina, the third holiest city of Islam. Thus Palestine in being part of the expanding Muslim empire, ruled from Damascus by the Umayyads, profited from both trade and from its religious significance.
Land of Canaan, 2000 B.C.E.--
Even before 3000 B.C.E., West Semitic tribal groups speaking variations of the Canaanite tongue inhabited much of what is now the modern Middle East. Many settled in the Syria-Canaan lands of Ancient Palestine. Early Mesopotamian documents refer to both nomadic shepherds and to traders. One such group, the Habiru {or Hapiru} migrated into Palestine perhaps as early as 2000 B.C.E. from northern Mesopotamia; later elements from among them formed the ancient Hebrews. As they entered Ancient Palestine, the Phoenicians in the north and the Philistines in the south occupied definite areas. "Phoenicia" is the Greek translation of "Canaan,"--the land of purple merchants," referring perhaps to the dye they used to colour cloth. Indeed, it is from the time of Canaan that Bethlehem is believed to have derived its name, Bethlehem - Beit Lahem in Arabic ("The house of Lahman - a Canaanite God").
The Canaanites, were a Semitic people speaking a language remarkably close to Hebrew. They were farmers, some were nomads, but they were also civilized. They used the great Mesopotamian cities as their model and had built modest imitations of them. They had also learned military technology and tactics from the Mesopotamians, as well as law. Thus when the Hebrews arrived at Canaan, they began the long, painful, and disappointing process of settling the land, but being uncivilized, tribal, and nomadic, they faced a formidable enemy. Even the accounts of this period in the Hebrew bible, the books of Joshua and Judges paint a pretty dreary picture of the occupation. They are eventually driven from the coastal plains and forced to settle in the central hill country and a few places in the Jordan River valley. They also faced another looming enemy, the Philistines, who overwhelmed everyone in their path. They had chariots and iron weapons and few could stand against these new technologies.
Thus it was that the Hebrews found themselves living in the worst areas of Canaan, spread thinly across the entire region, with the balance of power constantly shifting as local kingdoms would grab and then lose territory, finding themselves first under one and then another master.
and then the change:
Muslim Palestine, 638-1099 CE
The Umayyads, 638-750 CE
With the rise of Islam, Palestine was soon acquired by Muslims under the Umayyads in 638 CE. For the first time in its long history, Jerusalem had been spared a bloodbath. Eager to be rid of their Byzantine overlords, whilst recognising the Muslims reputation for mercy and compassion, the people of Jerusalem handed over the city after a brief siege. Only one condition was made: that their terms of surrender be negotiated by the Caliph Umar (RA) in person. In return for surrender, the Patriarch of Jerusalem, Sophronius, was granted a writ of privileges which guaranteed the right of Christians to maintain their holy places and pursue their customs unhindered. Umar entered Jerusalem on foot. There was no bloodshed. Those who wanted to leave were allowed to do so with all their goods, whilst those who chose to stay were guaranteed the protection of their lives, property and places of worship. Thus began 1300 years of Muslim presence in what became known as Filastin.
The new rulers did not impose their religion upon the indigenous Palestinians but most of them converted to Islam in little over a century, whilst those Christians and Jews that chose not to, were allowed considerable autonomy their own affairs along with religious freedom and security. Under Muslim rule, the Jews were permitted back into Palestine with Jewish communities and were allowed to prosper. It was in this first century of Islamic rule in Jerusalem, that Abd Al-Malik ibn Al Marwan, a leading caliph of the dynasty, built the Dome of the Rock, inaugurated in 691.
Jerusalem was recognized as the third holiest city in Islam, after Mecca and Medina, and as a destination for pilgrimage. This was so because the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) had first designated his followers to face Jerusalem when praying (which later changed to Mecca). It is also the site where the prophet Muhammed (pbuh) ascended to Heaven on his night journey (al-Miraj) from the area in Jerusalem where the Dome of the Rock was later built. The city was therefore, after Makkah and Medina, the third holiest city of Islam. Thus Palestine in being part of the expanding Muslim empire, ruled from Damascus by the Umayyads, profited from both trade and from its religious significance.
thanks for this wonderful post
canaan is the very first arabic tribe!!!! cool
so we can say jews have the right to live in jerusalem but not have it all for them selves!!! thats not fair jerusalem belongs to every, Christian, Muslim and Jew.
jews say its only ours.
canaan is the very first arabic tribe!!!! cool
so we can say jews have the right to live in jerusalem but not have it all for them selves!!! thats not fair jerusalem belongs to every, Christian, Muslim and Jew.
jews say its only ours.
it is too bad that everyone can not share it, and it is too bad that terror and violence exists in our world today, no matter who perpetuates it.
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