And that's how it should be.
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And that's how it should be.
No, but I bet you if France said they would ban Hindus from wearing the fertility dot on their forehead or christians from putting the ash on their forehead we would still also be talking about race in a European country
We're not talking about race though we're talking specifically about religion. If you assign a race to a religion that's on you and no one else. Only an idiot would assume all Muslims are Arab considering the largest Muslim nation in the world is quite the distance away from the Arabian Peninsula.
Wow, you must not follow European politics. The ultra far-right has turned into the mainstream quite a few years ago.
The bill may be reasonable if it was not tainted by the debate and history in the legislation process. Not wanting people to cover their face could perhaps be reasonable. However, the intent here was pure bigotry.
Racism, bigotry, xenophobia, and other related social ills have become quite predominant in European society and governments. It really is one of the largest security threats to the United States. The swirling of anti-Americanism in Europe (especially France) combined with society and government wanting eradication of certain classes of people creates terrorists and instability.
If the world doesn't act now, we will be attacked by terrorists or have to go into Europe yet again and deal with yet another European genocide.
The bill may be reasonable if it was not tainted by the debate and history in the legislation process. Not wanting people to cover their face could perhaps be reasonable. However, the intent here was pure bigotry.
Racism, bigotry, xenophobia, and other related social ills have become quite predominant in European society and governments. It really is one of the largest security threats to the United States. The swirling of anti-Americanism in Europe (especially France) combined with society and government wanting eradication of certain classes of people creates terrorists and instability.
If the world doesn't act now, we will be attacked by terrorists or have to go into Europe yet again and deal with yet another European genocide.
They're doing more than "standing up to them and saying no." They're sowing the seeds of a genocide.
Much of the European Muslims population are not migrants. They were born there.
Why shouldn't they adopt cultures and laws into their government? Their demographics are changing. Governments need to address new issues coming in from changing demographics. That doesn't mean embrace something such as sharia, but there are certainly other issues that can be embraced as they fit within the established framework of the country.
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It's true that France has had a Muslim population for awhile, but there are still few million Muslim migrants to France. France isn't the only place this is happening in either. If the French don't want it they can tell them to fuck off. They should not have to adapt for foreign culture, laws, or society if they do not wish to. Religion has no place in law of man anyways.
It's not about wanting to change. It's about needing to change.
Change isn't always for the best, pros and cons must be weighed and they are being weighed currently. You're thinking to little of the Europeans imo.
JEDIYoda
Lifer
Another muslim sympathizer...when in Rome do as the romans do...obey their laws and customs...
Just because you practice islam does not mean you are fraking special...
JEDIYoda
Lifer
The French do not need to change to accomodate what people who are not French believe....
Yes, they are being weighed. And acting like the Taliban by imposing dress requirements for women is certainly not in the interests of most countries.
Yes, their governmental policies tend to be the among the worst in the world.
They are French.
DivideBYZero
Lifer
When were you last in a European country? :hmm:
Ancalagon44
Diamond Member
He never has, but feels qualified to make judgments on it.
I'm glad they are doing this - they need to ban more forms of female oppression.
KMFJD
Lifer
Why do you hate yourself?
GodlessAstronomer
Lifer
Oh I'm sorry, which country is currently involved in two invasions of Muslim countries?
Did this really happen or is this just a concern?
I remember saying that in a previous thread. If I did something against the law and police were looking for me, I would wear a full burqa.
In that last thread we also discussed how burqas are already against the law in a lot of places of the US and elsewhere, technically. Lots of places have laws against wearing masks or covering your face for security reasons. The reason nobody knows this is because there aren't many people wearing burqas in North America. It's also against the law to have a tinted driver side window in my city because it prevents people from identifying the driver.
Overall the french are right. Even if it's not against the law, people going out of their way to hide their identity should be hassled by police. You'll get hassled just as bad if you wear a mask in public, wear a motorcycle helmet when you're walking on the sidewalk, covering your face with your jacket, or wearing a ski mask when it's not winter.
Don't mind me, officer. I'm not a sex offender wearing a mask so people can't report that I'm near a school. I just like covering my face.
GodlessAstronomer
Lifer
Hahaha. People like you are ruining your once-fine country. Lollerskates.
There's the written rules and the unwritten rules. An example of an unwritten rule is to not act like a total heatbag when you see police. Oh shit it's the cops, hide your face!! Drop the bag out the window and start running even though he doesn't suspect you yet! Obviously acting like that draws a lot of attention and you can expect to be questioned when you do things like that.
If someone is wearing a full length burqa, what are the most likely reasons for this?
1. they are hiding their face because there is a warrant for their arrest
2. they are hiding a weapon
3. they are hiding their face because they are about to commit a crime
4. they are trying to steal something
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95. they are muslim
I know lots of muslims but I have never met a muslim who wears a burqa. Never. If i saw a burqa, I would immediately suspect it's actually a criminal since most muslims do not wear burqas.
This is what a muslim woman looks like:
This is what a shoplifting terrorist carrying a bomb looks like:
DietDrThunder
Platinum Member
Agreed.
GodlessAstronomer
Lifer
Actually I happened to be on IM with a Muslim friend of mine when I came across this thread and sent the article to her asking for her opinion.
She wears a headscarf.
She wears a headscarf.
GodlessAstronomer
Lifer
Oh and just because I can.
Mani
Diamond Member
Somehow if they enacted anti-semitic laws (something Europe is getting closer and closer to) I doubt you'd feel the same way.
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