Who would win in a War?

[EXman]

no winners

but we would need more info

 

[Childs]

Originally posted by: dc

Originally posted by: Childs
One way to keep China and North Korea in check is to let Japan rebuild their armed forces. The sight of the rising sun will keep em in the shadows.

japan won't be able to rebuild their military. recruiting totally sucks there. not even morning musume can help recruiting. =/ i was hoping for some cool macross type magic to happen.

LOL...thats what I was kinda thinking about. Nothing can stand up to the SDF1! Every time I see those dancing Honda robots I think they are secretly building mechs.

But seriously, a reasonable Japanese army would make a lot of people in the region careful. Things have changed since WW2 for sure, but I don't think anyone doubts Japanese resolve. But, as welst10 noted, this is offtopic. Dont mean to threadjack.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: novon
There are no winners in war

Very much NOT TRUE. Sometimes, there are definite winners. Some examples:

The Allies against the Axis Powers in WWII.
Rome vs. Carthage in the Punic Wars. (At the end of all that, Rome emerged as the clear winner, destroying the city of Carthage and not to mention Carthaginian civilization in the process.)
US vs. Britain in the Revolutionary War. The US, obviously, won decisively.
1066, William the Conqueror invades England, forever changing history. Clear and decisive winner there.
US Civil War, the Union clearly wins against the Confederacy.

For those who say "violence never decides anything", I offer the contrary: Sometimes nothing BUT violence will solve some issues. Appeasement and negotiation sure didn't get far against Nazi Germany, did it?

 

[welst10]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: GOSHARKS
for those of you saying that the US will win a groundwar vs china becuase of the technology we have - look back at WWII: generally we had the numbers, the germans had the technology.

Germany had the technological advantage at the beginning of the war, that's why they did so well early on. We caught up quickly though and by 1943 the technology was fairly equal. From that point on we went ahead and won on sheer manufacturing power. Our bombing raids destroyed German industry, when they lost a plane or tank it was virtually irreplacable. If we lost some machinery there were 1000 more just like it to take it's place. China doesn't have that sort of heavy industry, it's a largely agricultural society. They can't win a war of attrition of mechanicals, only on manpower.

Again you're showing ignorance here. Agriculture will not make China (or any country for that matter) the 6th largest economy (projected to be the 4th largest by end of 2005 by GDP). If we talk about purchasing power (instead of raw GDP), I believe China is probably the No 3. In past two decades, China's 8-9% annual growth mostly comes from manufacture sector, not agriculture, not service sector either.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: Childs
One way to keep China and North Korea in check is to let Japan rebuild their armed forces. The sight of the rising sun will keep em in the shadows.

are you kidding, there are still some government officials there who think what they did in WWII is right. don't trust japan with an army until those people are good and gone... might as well give whatever remaining nazis there are an army.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: welst10

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: TallBill
China would never get by the US Navy. If it went nuclear, the whole world would die.

China couldn't get by the Canadian Navy. They have almost no airlift or sealift capability. They've got a huge army that is based heavily on 1950's technology, an airforce with a huge number of planes from the 60's and command and control systems that are 70's at best. They'd have no trouble steamrolling almost any other country in the world based on manpower alone. Waves of old tanks and outdated aircraft would win against Iraq or Iran or North Korea or any other country that *thinks* they're a military power. But against us? That's a joke, in a conventional war they'd be little more than cannon fodder. Our aircraft would own the skies in the first week and our tanks are so superior that we can engage and kill them from ranges beyond where they can even see ours. Fighting China in a conventional war would be like fighting Iraq on a larger scale. It would be a showcase for the superiority of our technology. They'd be targets and little more.

OK, then explain to me why US lost vietnam war when the Vietnamese didn't even have old airplanes and tanks. Seems like you're still living in the 70's. I believe China modernized its military quite a lot since 1980s, in areas such as missiles (both strategic and tactic), mechanic warfare (tanks, etc), aerospace technology, and navy & air forces. Overall China is still a generation behind in terms of technology, but that by itself will not determine the outcome of a full scale ground war. They're other important factors in play, like people, ability to subtain in a war, etc.

Our hands were tied in 'Nam. If were to have attacked the North using "total war" tactics from the get-go, there would have been nothing left of it. In a scenario with China, nothing short of total war (without using nukes) would guarantee us victory, and even that's iffy. We wouldn't even have to set foot on the Chinese mainland for several months; we'd simply shell them with our fleet until the coast is as crispy as we like it. Like someone said ealier, if we were sending 'em food while bombing 'em like we have in the past, who knows what the outcome could be.

In a situation with nuclear weapons, I'd say we'd have half a less planet in the solar system.

 

[Childs]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Childs
One way to keep China and North Korea in check is to let Japan rebuild their armed forces. The sight of the rising sun will keep em in the shadows.

are you kidding, there are still some government officials there who think what they did in WWII is right. don't trust japan with an army until those people are good and gone... might as well give whatever remaining nazis there are an army.

Thats what I meant by keeping everyone honest in the region. They wouldn't even look anywhere towards Japan or do anything in the region unless they were serious about a rumble.

 

[MillionaireNextDoor]

Originally posted by: novon
There are no winners in war

I agree. Most we can do is a cancellation effect, with the "winner" ending up with a slight margin than the "loser". Both lose though. Then a third party conquers the "winner"

 

[Chu]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
I think that America would win because most of the soilders in China's army are conscripts, and being forced into the military makes someone a poor soilder. I feel it would be like Iraq, where a large portion of the forces would surrender.

Just like Russia in WWII? Oh, wait . . .

 

[MillionaireNextDoor]

Originally posted by: Childs

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Childs
One way to keep China and North Korea in check is to let Japan rebuild their armed forces. The sight of the rising sun will keep em in the shadows.

are you kidding, there are still some government officials there who think what they did in WWII is right. don't trust japan with an army until those people are good and gone... might as well give whatever remaining nazis there are an army.

Thats what I meant by keeping everyone honest in the region. They wouldn't even look anywhere towards Japan or do anything in the region unless they were serious about a rumble.

their school curriculum perpetuates the fantasy though, even if all the people directly involved in the decision-making process are gone.

 

[Chu]

Originally posted by: welst10

Originally posted by: sward666
I've eaten at Chinese restaurants that don't employ any Chinese. Trust me, it's not something any of us want to go through.

Are you talking about PF Chang's? I love that restaurant chain.

Ugh . . . Chinese food fast food chains are the worst. What really pisses me off is I live right across the street from a Panda express, which has HORRIBLY uoverpriced - and just not that good. Whenever I see people there I just want to smack them, they're less then 2 blocks away from THREE really good Chinese resturants, one of them being the best outside of Chinatown (y2k cafe on Diversey, between Halstead and Clark if you ever intend to go). They're cheaper, it helps to support the local economy, and doesn't taste like crap.