Who would Reagan endorse?

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
umm no, Bush turned the party of Reagan into the party of Bush.

BTW if Reagan was in office in the 90's a doubt we would have had 9-11 because he would have done a smack down on the terrorists after thier earlier attacks.

You mean like he did in Beirut?

It's because of Beirut that Reagan would have hit OBL with everything we have during the 1990's -- he would not have held back or retreated from terror a second time.

I believe Bush Sr. would have done the same...

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
umm no, Bush turned the party of Reagan into the party of Bush.

BTW if Reagan was in office in the 90's a doubt we would have had 9-11 because he would have done a smack down on the terrorists after thier earlier attacks.

You mean like he did in Beirut?

It's because of Beirut that Reagan would have hit OBL with everything we have during the 1990's -- he would not have held back or retreated from terror a second time.

I believe Bush Sr. would have done the same...

What your twisted mind believes and what is reality are two very different things. The GOP should stop bringing up Reagan and 'what he would do' with the middle east because his actions indicate an opposite viewpoint. He withdrew from Beirut because he saw firsthand how irrational the middle east is.

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[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Were he still in the race, I think Reagan would have endorsed Rudy...he's the perfect Reagan Republican. Long on show, short on policy. Rudy even ran that ridiculous "Reagan freed the Iranian hostages" commercial, I think Reagan would have approved.

Can we please, for the love of God, get over that ridiculous excuse for a President? Ronald Reagan is easily the worst thing to happen to the conservative movement in this country...ever. He took the party of Lincoln and turned it into the party of George W. Bush, is that REALLY an accomplishment to warrant his holy place in conservative mythology?

Nixon represented the party of Lincoln and Reagan was the worst thing for conservatism?

God, why don't you let conservatives form their own opinion of conservatism? :roll:

 

[heyheybooboo]

Topic: Who would Reagan endorse?

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Annual Increases In Federal Debt Under Voodoo Economics
(Raygun/Bush)

1991 13.36%
1990 13.15%
1989 9.80%
1988 10.72%
1987 10.59%
1986 9.22%
1985 17.02%
1984 17.88%
1983 17.85%
1982 16.36%
1981 10.59%
1980 10.07%

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Were he still in the race, I think Reagan would have endorsed Rudy...he's the perfect Reagan Republican. Long on show, short on policy. Rudy even ran that ridiculous "Reagan freed the Iranian hostages" commercial, I think Reagan would have approved.

Can we please, for the love of God, get over that ridiculous excuse for a President? Ronald Reagan is easily the worst thing to happen to the conservative movement in this country...ever. He took the party of Lincoln and turned it into the party of George W. Bush, is that REALLY an accomplishment to warrant his holy place in conservative mythology?

Nixon represented the party of Lincoln and Reagan was the worst thing for conservatism?

God, why don't you let conservatives form their own opinion of conservatism? :roll:

That's funny.

Buckley: Bush Not A True Conservative
Buckley Criticizes President For Interventionist Policies

"If you had a European prime minister who experienced what we've experienced it would be expected that he would retire or resign," Buckley says.

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Were he still in the race, I think Reagan would have endorsed Rudy...he's the perfect Reagan Republican. Long on show, short on policy. Rudy even ran that ridiculous "Reagan freed the Iranian hostages" commercial, I think Reagan would have approved.

Can we please, for the love of God, get over that ridiculous excuse for a President? Ronald Reagan is easily the worst thing to happen to the conservative movement in this country...ever. He took the party of Lincoln and turned it into the party of George W. Bush, is that REALLY an accomplishment to warrant his holy place in conservative mythology?

Nixon represented the party of Lincoln and Reagan was the worst thing for conservatism?

God, why don't you let conservatives form their own opinion of conservatism? :roll:

That's funny.

Buckley: Bush Not A True Conservative
Buckley Criticizes President For Interventionist Policies

"If you had a European prime minister who experienced what we've experienced it would be expected that he would retire or resign," Buckley says.

What's your point again?

 

[nageov3t]

Reagan would endorse whoever Nancy told him to.

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: loki8481
Reagan would endorse whoever Nancy told him to.

Which would in turn depend on how the planets were aligned when she called up her astrologer.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Were he still in the race, I think Reagan would have endorsed Rudy...he's the perfect Reagan Republican. Long on show, short on policy. Rudy even ran that ridiculous "Reagan freed the Iranian hostages" commercial, I think Reagan would have approved.

Can we please, for the love of God, get over that ridiculous excuse for a President? Ronald Reagan is easily the worst thing to happen to the conservative movement in this country...ever. He took the party of Lincoln and turned it into the party of George W. Bush, is that REALLY an accomplishment to warrant his holy place in conservative mythology?

Nixon represented the party of Lincoln and Reagan was the worst thing for conservatism?

No, but Nixon didn't represent a fundamental shift in the party. He wasn't a great guy, but while his Presidency was a bad thing for the country at the TIME, he didn't hurt the conservative movement in general the way Reagan did. There is no "legacy of Nixon" alive today in the Republican party, while Reagan's socially conservative views and disastrous economic ideas form the core of the conservative platform today.

God, why don't you let conservatives form their own opinion of conservatism? :roll:

Hey, don't let me stop you, form whatever opinion you like of conservatism, I'm just offering my views. But I think I have a unique perspective, because I used to hold a number of conservative positions and support the Republican party. Up until maybe 5 years ago, I considered myself a proud conservative. But my departure from the flock had less to do with some increased appeal of liberalism and more to do with my increasing suspicion that conservatism was morally and intellectually bankrupt, and that what I thought of as conservative views were nothing of the sort. I'll admit that over time I also adopted some more traditionally liberal positions, but at the start, it was a classic case of me not leaving the conservative movement so much as the movement left me. And the reasons I think it did so line up almost perfectly with the platform Reagan ran on and the legacy that left with the Republican party.

There are a lot of reasons I don't want to go into here, but the basic change I think Reagan introduced was to shift the movement away from libertarian ideals (his well done speeches to the contrary) and closer to the kind of Bible thumping "morality" and big government police state dogma that seems to be what being a modern conservative requires of people. The extremes of the liberal and conservative positions used to be, respectively, "socialist" (for lack of a better word, let's ignore the negative connotations) and "libertarians". While there are plenty of semi-socialists on the left, there seem to be very few libertarians remaining on the right. While I no longer consider myself a libertarian, the fact that I used to is what led me away from the right in this country.

 

[nergee]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
Reagan was the best POTUS in the last 34 years. Period.

I would dare say for the next 34 also......

 

[sandorski]

You'd ask, but he'd stare at you blankly and drool in response.

Seriously, Reagan is the most overhyped Politician of my lifetime. Although a valiant attempt was made to make Dubyah even more overhyped. Republicans would do themselves a huge favour by dropping the Reagan worship. Todays International problems that occupies the US's focus were the result of Reagan.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: nergee

Originally posted by: palehorse74
Reagan was the best POTUS in the last 34 years. Period.

I would dare say for the next 34 also......

What a dim view of our nation's future.

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Were he still in the race, I think Reagan would have endorsed Rudy...he's the perfect Reagan Republican. Long on show, short on policy. Rudy even ran that ridiculous "Reagan freed the Iranian hostages" commercial, I think Reagan would have approved.

Can we please, for the love of God, get over that ridiculous excuse for a President? Ronald Reagan is easily the worst thing to happen to the conservative movement in this country...ever. He took the party of Lincoln and turned it into the party of George W. Bush, is that REALLY an accomplishment to warrant his holy place in conservative mythology?

Nixon represented the party of Lincoln and Reagan was the worst thing for conservatism?

No, but Nixon didn't represent a fundamental shift in the party. He wasn't a great guy, but while his Presidency was a bad thing for the country at the TIME, he didn't hurt the conservative movement in general the way Reagan did. There is no "legacy of Nixon" alive today in the Republican party, while Reagan's socially conservative views and disastrous economic ideas form the core of the conservative platform today.

God, why don't you let conservatives form their own opinion of conservatism? :roll:

Hey, don't let me stop you, form whatever opinion you like of conservatism, I'm just offering my views. But I think I have a unique perspective, because I used to hold a number of conservative positions and support the Republican party. Up until maybe 5 years ago, I considered myself a proud conservative. But my departure from the flock had less to do with some increased appeal of liberalism and more to do with my increasing suspicion that conservatism was morally and intellectually bankrupt, and that what I thought of as conservative views were nothing of the sort. I'll admit that over time I also adopted some more traditionally liberal positions, but at the start, it was a classic case of me not leaving the conservative movement so much as the movement left me. And the reasons I think it did so line up almost perfectly with the platform Reagan ran on and the legacy that left with the Republican party.

There are a lot of reasons I don't want to go into here, but the basic change I think Reagan introduced was to shift the movement away from libertarian ideals (his well done speeches to the contrary) and closer to the kind of Bible thumping "morality" and big government police state dogma that seems to be what being a modern conservative requires of people. The extremes of the liberal and conservative positions used to be, respectively, "socialist" (for lack of a better word, let's ignore the negative connotations) and "libertarians". While there are plenty of semi-socialists on the left, there seem to be very few libertarians remaining on the right. While I no longer consider myself a libertarian, the fact that I used to is what led me away from the right in this country.

Nixon represented a non-conservative technocrat who sunk this country deeper into the social and governmental malaise that was destroying what makes America great.

And despite what you say I don't believe for a second you were ever conservative in any meaningful way. Maybe a Republican, but not a conservative. Because you truly have no idea what it was or is and this mythology you buy into about Reagan is pretty good evidence of that.

You have to be completely delusional to think libertarian ideals were real strong in conservatism before Reagan but he somehow destroyed that... holy crap.

You should blame the moralists in the 90s -in response to Clinton- for gaining so much influence.

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: sandorski
You'd ask, but he'd stare at you blankly and drool in response.

Seriously, Reagan is the most overhyped Politician of my lifetime. Although a valiant attempt was made to make Dubyah even more overhyped. Republicans would do themselves a huge favour by dropping the Reagan worship. Todays International problems that occupies the US's focus were the result of Reagan.

And this post is proof that some people are as dumb now as people were when they ridiculed and slammed him back then. It's the same Regressive gene.

 

[Pabster]

ROFL at all the Reagan hate in this thread.

Shows just how great the guy was. He's still getting liberals panties in a wad from 6 feet under :laugh:

Who would he have endorsed? Probably Fred Thompson. And Ron Paul.

 

[fskimospy]

It depends on what you think makes a good president. By any objective standard Reagan's policies were pretty awful. Reaganomics has been proven to be a fraud, and don't even get me started on his foreign policy, his scandals, his arming of our current enemies, etc. If you want to measure him in just actions such as that Reagan is a catastrophe.

That's not all there is to a president though, he really did inspire people. He was a great cheerleader and he restored a sense of pride to America that we had lost in the years prior. I think that counts for a lot to be honest. Sure he believed in a lot of awful ideas, and yes, he based major foreign policy decisions on made for TV movies. He just wasn't all bad.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
umm no, Bush turned the party of Reagan into the party of Bush.

BTW if Reagan was in office in the 90's a doubt we would have had 9-11 because he would have done a smack down on the terrorists after thier earlier attacks. Remember Libya and all the terror it backed until Reagan nearly killed Kadhafi and then they exited the terror business.

Oh... and.... no.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Were he still in the race, I think Reagan would have endorsed Rudy...he's the perfect Reagan Republican. Long on show, short on policy. Rudy even ran that ridiculous "Reagan freed the Iranian hostages" commercial, I think Reagan would have approved.

Can we please, for the love of God, get over that ridiculous excuse for a President? Ronald Reagan is easily the worst thing to happen to the conservative movement in this country...ever. He took the party of Lincoln and turned it into the party of George W. Bush, is that REALLY an accomplishment to warrant his holy place in conservative mythology?

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