Who won the US media war?

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Phuz
I can't believe some people are actually trying to defend FOX news... yikes... you're only insulting your own intelligence here...

Actually they are defending Fox against accusations that it is more biased than Al Jezeera. Just being compared to Al Jezeera speaks volumes about Fox's Fair and Balanced Reporting. I bet CNN doesn't mind being second as long as they aren't compared to Al Jezeera.

 

[BarneyFife]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Phuz
I can't believe some people are actually trying to defend FOX news... yikes... you're only insulting your own intelligence here...

Actually they are defending Fox against accusations that it is more biased than Al Jezeera. Just being compared to Al Jezeera speaks volumes about Fox's Fair and Balanced Reporting. I bet CNN doesn't mind being second as long as they aren't compared to Al Jezeera.

CNN is still #1 in the world by a large margin.

 

[Vernor]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Phuz
I can't believe some people are actually trying to defend FOX news... yikes... you're only insulting your own intelligence here...

Actually they are defending Fox against accusations that it is more biased than Al Jezeera. Just being compared to Al Jezeera speaks volumes about Fox's Fair and Balanced Reporting. I bet CNN doesn't mind being second as long as they aren't compared to Al Jezeera.

CNN is still #1 in the world by a large margin.

YM CNN INTERNATIONAL, which is really a different animal.

 

[Alistar7]

It's all propoganda, everyone knows Americans are ignorant and not even aware of the facts and have no desire to find out the truth, they just take whatever is spoon fed to them and drive their suv's and sit on their leather couches like the pig-dogs they are.........

I try to spend a little time watching each of the major news networks offered on my cable channel, browse the web for information, BBC is great, so are AP reports. I liked the enbedded reporters, while their stories were often unconfirmed or false alarms, they also provided news that otherwise would not have been available. Would love have been in C&C in Qatar, they were able to watch almost 100% of the action live.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: ub4me

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: ub4me

Originally posted by: charrison

All media is biased, but saying foxnews is more biased than al jazerra is really a joke.

I don't think so.

So how is foxnews more biased than al jazerra. Please provide specific examples.

At least Al-Jazerra tried to show the horrible face of the war: wounded and dead Iraqi people during bombing, air raids, and battles, and their lives. But while I was watching Faux news, I felt like I was watching video games. Just good and evil.
If US media reported this aspect also, I wouldn't think like that.

You see all of that in the US media though, don't forget there are plenty of liberal papers and TV shows that used this war as a campaign against the GOP and Bush, politics plays a role in our media. Thankfully there is mass diversity, usually there is OVERreporting of most issues, with each side trying to control their spin.

Think of the morning American forces walked into Baghdad only to find the people in control, I'm sure you remember the symbolic statue torn down that day in Fordis Square. While this historic celebration was ensuing what was shown on AJ was a very small isolated firefight in another quarter of the city, there was NO MENTION EVEN of the celebrations which even members of the international media were comparing to the fall of the Berlin Wall. WHEN did AJ finally show this? Less than 30 seconds after an American flag was put over Saddam's head on the statue, along with their belief that it should have been an Iraqi flag. Did they show or report that the Iraqi flag was used immediately after? No. They plastered the photo with the American flag all over the TV and website, can you go there and see one with the Iraqi flag? NO. They ignored the celebration, the event of major importance that morning, because of their bias. They took one 30 second action and focused on that, immediately calling for something different. Do you think the American serviceman could even know they put that report out when he put the Iraqi flag up as well a minute later? Why did they ignore the clebration completely, the majority of Iran was not allowed to see this either.

The US media also showed footage of that isolated firefight.

Here's one for you, who had reporters directly embedded with troops, giving the rest of the news media unparralled access to information otherwise never known? You can thank the US military and the US Govt. for doing so much to ensure as much RELIABLE information as possible could be viewed and reported on by independent sources.

 

[vicvon]

By saying we, they meant AMERICA and that they are proud to be an AMERICAN citizen. I am as well. If you are not than do something to change the way our country is run. I doubt you would care to live elsewhere, but if so than no one is stopping you.

 

[JellyBaby]

The media in this country are too full of themselves. I haven't been watching much TV coverge of the Iraq war, mostly because I'm intolerant of repetition and useless information presented as fact.

For example, CNBC was recently reporting on the flight of POWs back to the States. She was going on and on about useless factoids saying things like, "the flight is facing a headwind now and may arrive a bit behind schedule". Great, thanks for that excellent reporting. I'll be sure to stay glued to the boob tube to hear your next report on the digestive endeavors of the POWs.

 

[Dari]

Fox News is incredibly bias. They are so bias that I turn to them when I'm in the mood to be patriotic. But when it comes to real journalism, I turn to CNN or the BBC.

Fox News is like a feel good drug for Americans. No matter what, they put a spin on events that makes me feel good as an american.

 

[apoppin]

Bush admin to fund Al-Jazeera rival

Pro-US Arabic-language news network to be launched in Middle East

Infuriated by al-Jazeera?s independent coverage of the US-led invasion of Iraq and its footage broadcast daily from Ramallah to Reikjavik of daisy-cuttered Baghdad markets and bullet-ridden buses, the US government is to compete with the notorious satellite news channel on its home pitch: Not so well hidden within the Bush administration?s published E68.5bn (US$74.7bn) supplemental appropriations request to pay for the war and homeland security is a E28m (US$30.5m) request for a new broadcast news network in the Middle East - the Middle East Television Network.

The money is to provide start-up costs for such a network, which will broadcast news and information with a pro-American spin in Arabic via satellite to televisions across the region.
It is also the second request for funding for the project in the last two months. Last month, President Bush?s international affairs budget included another E27.5m (US$30m) request for the network under its controlling authority, the Broadcasting Board of Governors, which manages non-military international US broadcasting. The new funds will pay for remaining start-up costs and the network?s first year of operations.

Testifying before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, the BBG?s chairman, Kenneth Tomlinson, described the venture as "the most important public-diplomacy initiative of our time."

"Al-Jazeera should not go unanswered in the Middle East," said Tomlinson.

Having bombed the offices of Al-Jazeera in both Afghanistan and Iraq - as well as those of rival Abu Dhabi television - and still the network doesn?t learn its lesson, the US seems now to be attempting a more softly, softly approach to counteracting the broadcast of objective news in the Middle East.

All righty . . . FOX in the ME. :Q

the Middle East Television Network . . . METN

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: ub4me

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Piano Man
FOX = US version of Al-Jazeera.

Your joking right?

NO~~~
He's not. I totally agree with him.
Do you really think FOX was unbiased?

All media is biased, but saying foxnews is more biased than al jazerra is really a joke.

Not really, Al-Jazeera shows stuff that may be disagreeable to American viewers, ie: human causalties, civilian destruction etc, but they do so to provide an accurate depiction of war. Does that appeal to Arabs? Yes, and to anyone else who wants to know what war is really about. Is that biased? Depends on your defenition. FOX News, in a desperate attept to be patriotic and appeal to the average, close minded American, acts as though there is no suffering in war at all. It only brings on guests sympathetic to the American "patriotic" perspective, and all its reporting is obviosly skewed. Proof you ask? Just try getting news from an international source and you will see just how skewed it is. If you are an "armchair patriot", Fox is just what you need, unquestioned justification to blindly follow your president. As for me, I am hard pressed to find any channel more biased then FOX, maybe "The Daily Nazi".

 

[konichiwa]

Al jazerra took every report out Baghdad as fact. Fox News reported what came out of Bahgdad and what came out of Centcom. Al Jazzera rates poorly when compared with Foxnews.

Am I the only one who remembers that flare-up about someone finding a bunker full of chemical agents? When it was first posted on these forums, the only place it could be found was on the FOX NEWS channel ticker, nowhere else but a miscellaneous blurb on the AP wire that clearly stated "unconfirmed."

Fox, along with the National Enquirer and The Star, most notorious for checking and double checking its facts.

 

[Ornery]

"Depends on your defenition. FOX News, in a desperate attept to be patriotic and appeal to the average, close minded American, acts as though there is no suffering in war at all."

What a spud. Did CNN, MSNBC or any other US network broadcast blood and guts? Why be such an ass about Fox then?

When the Iraqi Information Minister made an ass of himself, were Fox anchors laughing their asses off at him? Hell yeah! When Iraqis were riding the head of Hussein's statue around the square, were Fox anchors laughing and cheering? Hell yeah! Sucks if you didn't like it. Whose side were you on anyway?


"Am I the only one who remembers that flare-up about someone finding a bunker full of chemical agents?"

Yeah, provide a link to the thread, because a search for "Chemical agent" came up blank.

 

[konichiwa]

Ah yes, Ornery to the rescue, I was beginning to miss his jingoistic chant of the "with us or against us" mantra.

 

[Ornery]

Do you practice at being an ass, or does that just come naturally?

 

[konichiwa]

here

This just disappeared...after seeing it on two sketchy WWW news sources and...FOX NEWS!

Do you practice at being an unthinking lemming? Or does it come naturally?

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: Ornery
"Depends on your defenition. FOX News, in a desperate attept to be patriotic and appeal to the average, close minded American, acts as though there is no suffering in war at all."

What a spud. Did CNN, MSNBC or any other US network broadcast blood and guts? Why be such an ass about Fox then?

We were talking about FOX, not the others, CNN is not much better, not not nearly as bad.

When the Iraqi Information Minister made an ass of himself, were Fox anchors laughing their asses off at him? Hell yeah! When Iraqis were riding the head of Hussein's statue around the square, were Fox anchors laughing and cheering? Hell yeah! Sucks if you didn't like it. Whose side were you on anyway?

No one said the anything about the Iraqi's using propaganda, stick to the topic in discussion

"Am I the only one who remembers that flare-up about someone finding a bunker full of chemical agents?"

Yeah, provide a link to the thread, because a search for "Chemical agent" came up blank.

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: konichiwa
here

This just disappeared...after seeing it on two sketchy WWW news sources and...FOX NEWS!

Do you practice at being an unthinking lemming? Or does it come naturally?

I'm ecxited to see what his answer is going to be to that.

 

[Ornery]

I still don't see WTF your problem is. EVERYTHING that is discovered, uncovered or suspicious is reported INSTANTLY. If somebody assumes it's a smoking gun or worse, that's their problem. Each of these preliminary reports has the caveat that nothing is yet proven.

 

[konichiwa]

Huh? Higher up in this thread someone made their point that the reason Fox is "less biased" than al-Jazeera is that AJ reports uncofirmed stories without verifying the facts and Fox would never do that. I am pointing out that they would, and have, and do.

 

[Ornery]

"No one said the anything about the Iraqi's using propaganda, stick to the topic in discussion"

NOR DID I!

You morons are bitching because Fox doesn't read the news with a poker face. Who cares? Doesn't change the facts of what's reported one bit!

 

[Ornery]

Originally posted by: konichiwa
Huh? Higher up in this thread someone made their point that the reason Fox is "less biased" than al-Jazeera is that AJ reports uncofirmed stories without verifying the facts and Fox would never do that. I am pointing out that they would, and have, and do.

Each of these preliminary reports has the caveat that nothing is yet proven.

 

[konichiwa]

Exactly my point...Fox is the only station that covered this and nowhere in their coverage did they say "unconfirmed," which means they are doing the same thing with pro-American news that al-Jazeera is doing with anti-American news; reporting unconfirmed and preliminary stories prematurely, and more importantly, as if they are fact.

 

[Ornery]

Now WTF are you talking about? The link you gave me was to Worldnetdaily. Unless you have a link to the Fox report, I have to take your word for it that it was presented as fact.

Every report I've seen come out of there about WMD states NOTHING is proven yet.

'Huge' Suspected Chemical Weapons Plant Found in Iraq

• The chemical plant is described as a "100-acre complex," surrounded by an electrical fence. The plant was also apparently camouflaged to avoid aerial photos being taken.
  
  It is not yet known what chemicals were being produced at the plant.

 

[Martin]

"There is a long-standing tradition in the mainstream press of middle-of-the-road journalism that is objective and fair. I would hate to see that fall victim to the Fox effect."

how true...

 

[DaiShan]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Piano Man
FOX = US version of Al-Jazeera.

Your joking right?

You can't possibly think that Fox brings even a somewhat unbiased account of the news into your living room. I watch them for shock value, not for news...