Discussion Who won the debate?

[Hayabusa Rider]

So who is the victor?

 

[Moonbeam]

I read the fly came in second. I figure it was there to render the opinion that Pence is as big a shit head as Trump. God knows what other Republican it might have infected in the audience if Pence also has Covid.

 

[trenchfoot]

It was Karma that picked the fly to steal the show. That lil stinker showed staying power, a good sense of where the scent of bullshit was coming from in order to commence a mating ritual on a shithead and stealthily landed in exactly the right place where it was undetected by the hapless victim yet oh so plain to see by the whole world.

 

[ivwshane]

Honestly the fly was just so symbolic of the trump presidency.

It was attracted to a shit candidate and pence didn’t even react or acknowledge the fly just like trump hasn’t done shit to the myriad of issues this country is facing.

 

[brainhulk]

Harris should have shot the fly with a Bug A Salt gun

 

[Moonbeam]

It clearly escaped from his ear where it had been planted to tell Pence what to say. It did, however, add character and bring Pence some much needed attention. I started jumping up and down pointing at the TV and shouting to others watching, “Look at that on Pence‘s head, a fly in the oinkment.”

I know. My bad.

You’re not supposed to hurt a fly. But I don’t remember the rule about a cockroach.

 

[sdifox]

The moderator. Got paid to do nothing. But I voted for the fly.

 

[Bitek]

Harris
Fly
Pence's eye infection
....
Pence

Pence was clear loser, as I assume he was there to try and will votes and failed. Rude, interrupting, lying, dodging, diseased, and infested.

 

[dawp]

should

Harris should have shot the fly with a Bug A Salt gun

should have pulled a Derek Flint and pulled out her pen blowgun

 

[interchange]

I don't think that went well at all for Harris. She could not contain her contempt for Pence whereas Pence gave expressions which treated her as a worthy adversary.

But we have to look at the audience for whom the debate has meaning in the upcoming election. To that, I ask:
1. Did the debate seem to have effect to mobilize would-be Democrat voters more than previously?
2. For someone watching who cannot readily discern fact from fiction on the issues, did they come away identifying better with Harris or Pence?

I suspect my vantage point on these will be different than many others. I hope mine is the one which is wrong.

 

[HomerJS]

I voted for Jeff Goldblum. I suspect Harris had her aggressiveness muted by the Biden team. It came across as holding serve to me. There were many opportunity to hammer Pence. She could have reminded everyone his team objected to extra stage precautions to COVID as an example.

PS - I was spot on. Just heard a poll from Fox on the debate. What was the complaint about Harris? Abrasive and condescending. In other words all those white Republicans had in their minds the stereotype of the angry black woman. Harris goes out of her way NOT to project that and they still say it.

 

[Muse]

I read the fly came in second. I figure it was there to render the opinion that Pence is as big a shit head as Trump. God knows what other Republican it might have infected in the audience if Pence also has Covid.

A lot of talk about Pence appearing to have pink-eye, a possible sign of covid-19 infection. I didn't notice that very likely because of my color blindness. I usually don't pick up on red etc. eyes like most people. I figure real good chance he's added to the list of individuals in Trump's entourage who have tested positive in the last week. Of course, Trump may be case 1 or close to it in that circle. We may never know unless they pry out of the White House the information concerning Trump's testing. They are refusing to divulge that. I think we know for certain that he'd tested positive before the positive test that led to his tweet of Friday @1AM. But I think it's very possible he'd tested positive BEFORE THE DEBATE. And knew it.

 

[vi edit]

The fly for sure. All we are going to remember from this is the fly on Pence's head. And that visual and the memes generated from it have to drive Trump absolutely insane. He can't find humor in a situation and the optics of it look "weak".

 

[Bitek]

I don't think that went well at all for Harris. She could not contain her contempt for Pence whereas Pence gave expressions which treated her as a worthy adversary.

But we have to look at the audience for whom the debate has meaning in the upcoming election. To that, I ask:
1. Did the debate seem to have effect to mobilize would-be Democrat voters more than previously?
2. For someone watching who cannot readily discern fact from fiction on the issues, did they come away identifying better with Harris or Pence?

I suspect my vantage point on these will be different than many others. I hope mine is the one which is wrong.

I wouldn't agree with the overall assessment as the objectives for the two are totally different.

Harris is the fresh face, as well as a black woman, and they have strong leads in polls. Her job was not to f anything up and cause waves/neg news cycles.

Pence is incumbent, record to defend, Trump debate was a shitshow, and they are getting asses kicked in polling. He needed to pull as many voters back and cover for the Dotard.

Harris succeeded, even if she pulled many punches.

Pence failed. His obnoxious behavior further alienated people, and answered zero questions. Then the fucking fly thing. What votes did he win back?

 

[Muse]

The fly for sure. All we are going to remember from this is the fly on Pence's head. And that visual and the memes generated from it have to drive Trump absolutely insane. He can't find humor in a situation and the optics of it look "weak".

Re: The Fly. Threads? I've seen a little, but so far nothing in the press. I have seen nothing at the NY Times website. I figure it must be there but not evident on the front page. I assume social media is plastered with it, though.

 

[Zorba]

I don't really think either "won," but ultimately that's a win for Biden since the Trump team lost another opportunity to turn the tide.

I was a Harris supporter at the start of the primaries, but she seems to always under perform in debates.

 

[vi edit]

Re: The Fly. Threads? I've seen a little, but so far nothing in the press. I have seen nothing at the NY Times website. I figure it must be there but not evident on the front page. I assume social media is plastered with it, though.

My social media exploded. Same for chat groups I'm in. Morning news is talking about it too.

 

[Blackjack200]

I only watched a few minutes of it. Turned it off after Harris passionately promised to continue fracking. I was obviously not the intended audience for the show.

I doubt it had much impact, which would have to be considered a win for Harris at this point.

 

[Homerboy]

Re: The Fly. Threads? I've seen a little, but so far nothing in the press. I have seen nothing at the NY Times website. I figure it must be there but not evident on the front page. I assume social media is plastered with it, though.

It was literally the lead story/comment on several morning news shows (not Fox and Friends). Social media ERRUPTED with the fly minutes after it happened. Biden's campaign ran with it with some great posts and items for sale. It's literally been the biggest thing online in the past 12 hours

 

[vi edit]

I wish dems would address the elephant in the room. Energy jobs. Fracking has the jobs it does because they slowly strangled coal and killed those jobs. Fracking is the new hotness. Instead of getting non-stop hit on the "green new deal" spin it as renewable jobs for American. Solar, wind, ect. It's just another energy industry. And it will be the future.

And to continue on that, you can't hype US oil manufacturing and completely ignore that Exon just got booted from the Dow. US Oil is in the tank because Russia and the Saudis got into a price war we can't compete with. Crickets on that.

 

[allisolm]

Re: The Fly. Threads? I've seen a little, but so far nothing in the press. I have seen nothing at the NY Times website. I figure it must be there but not evident on the front page. I assume social media is plastered with it, though.

CNN pretty much gives the win to the fly.

Who won the vice presidential debate? | CNN

CNN Opinion asked commentators to weigh in on who performed best at the vice presidential debate -- and what moments stood out to them the most.

www.cnn.com

 

[soundforbjt]

The fly was dressed in black...antifa?

 

[Perknose]

I don't really think either "won," but ultimately that's a win for Biden since the Trump team lost another opportunity to turn the tide.

I was a Harris supporter at the start of the primaries, but she seems to always under perform in debates.

I voted for The Fly, but I agree in main that Harris underperformed whereas Pence, given what he had to work with, was "masterful" in his own way, especially in repeatedly plowing through the moderator's incompetent efforts to get him to stay within his alloted time and strongly, confidently making his case. As BS as "his case" may be, I was not his audience.

In the end, the simple question "who won" is fraught.

Answering it depends on the assumed parameters the anwerer brings to the question. For me, I reflexively view these events from (my assumed) viewpoint of the "mythical" undecided voter. Just who the hell is still an undecided voter is yet another fetid kettle of fish. However, in answering this way, I've got to say that Pence "won." He simply did a better job of performing, of putting across his viewpoint to the low information undecided, and also, for those godforsaken undecided, thereby winning the (albeit primitive) optics.

Thankfully, I don't think it moves the needle electorally much at all. Folks on both sides are entrenched enough that, in the main those supporting Biden will think Harris won, and vice versa.

 

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[interchange]

I voted for The Fly, but I agree in main that Harris underperformed whereas Pence, given what he had to work with, was "masterful" in his own way, especially in repeatedly plowing through the moderator's incompetent efforts to get him to stay within his alloted time and strongly, confidently making his case. As BS as "his case" may be, I was not his audience.

In the end, the simple question "who won" is fraught.

Answering it depends on the assumed parameters the anwerer brings to the question. For me, I reflexively view these events from (my assumed) viewpoint of the "mythical" undecided voter. Just who the hell is still an undecided voter is yet another fetid kettle of fish. However, in answering this way, I've got to say that Pence "won." He simply did a better job of performing, of putting across his viewpoint to the low information undecided, and also, for those godforsaken undecided, thereby winning the (albeit primitive) optics.

Thankfully, I don't think it moves the needle electorally much at all. Folks on both sides are entrenched enough that, in the main those supporting Biden will think Harris won, and vice versa.

I liked the post because I agree with the content. But I don't actually like it.