Who Will Stay, Who Will Go, if Bush Wins in 2004?

Dari

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I'm guessing Powell is out of the picture. He has been undermined too much by our "allies," the United Nations, and hawks at the Pentagon. Ashcroft may also be building himself an early grave with all these anti-terrorist decrees. I actually think he enjoys crushing people dreams of living in America and working hard (and squishing those pesky terrorists).
 

SuperTool

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Who Will Stay, Who Will Go, if Bush Wins in 2004?
Mr. Deficit will stay.
And Mr. Debt will go ... up.
That's what you get when the Prez is chicken hawk, and not a deficit hawk.
 

HappyPuppy

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Who Will Stay, Who Will Go, if Bush Wins in 2004?
Mr. Deficit will stay.
And Mr. Debt will go ... up.
That's what you get when the Prez is chicken hawk, and not a deficit hawk.


Tell us how you really feel.

 

SuperTool

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Jan 25, 2000
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Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Who Will Stay, Who Will Go, if Bush Wins in 2004?
Mr. Deficit will stay.
And Mr. Debt will go ... up.
That's what you get when the Prez is chicken hawk, and not a deficit hawk.


Tell us how you really feel.

I feel that Republicans will not rest until this country is bankrupt? Happy, Puppy?
 

shiner

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Jul 18, 2000
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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Who Will Stay, Who Will Go, if Bush Wins in 2004?
Mr. Deficit will stay.
And Mr. Debt will go ... up.
That's what you get when the Prez is chicken hawk, and not a deficit hawk.


Tell us how you really feel.

I feel that Republicans will not rest until this country is bankrupt? Happy, Puppy?
The asshat is strong in this one.

 

HappyPuppy

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Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Who Will Stay, Who Will Go, if Bush Wins in 2004?
Mr. Deficit will stay.
And Mr. Debt will go ... up.
That's what you get when the Prez is chicken hawk, and not a deficit hawk.


Tell us how you really feel.

I feel that Republicans will not rest until this country is bankrupt? Happy, Puppy?
The asshat is strong in this one.



Yeah, like the Democrats are fiscally conservative.
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Who Will Stay, Who Will Go, if Bush Wins in 2004?
Mr. Deficit will stay.
And Mr. Debt will go ... up.
That's what you get when the Prez is chicken hawk, and not a deficit hawk.


Tell us how you really feel.

I feel that Republicans will not rest until this country is bankrupt? Happy, Puppy?
The asshat is strong in this one.



Yeah, like the Democrats are fiscally conservative.

How does that excuse Bush's fiscal policy? Democrats aren't in control now.
 

Zebo

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Republicans what has he done for you for this country other than destroing 50 years of good reputation we had Abroad with those who actuallty matter? I think I got a measly $1000 more back last year other than that?

Meanwhile REAL issues:
-he favors Gun control now
-social security time bomb Looms and is not being addressed.
-pension plan time bomb federal/vetrens/and about 1000 companies will be broke very soon.
-debt time bomb the dollar will deflate because we can't borrow.
-balance of trade is increasing and an exodus of more professional jobs like programmers/accountants are moving to china and india.
-state budget debt time bomb.
-continued loss of unskilled jobs to India and China.
-ton of bad loans to Brazil, Argentina, etc, that will never get paid.
-bubble in the auto industry, and even with the bubble no profits.
- terrorism time bomb (how long before the big one goes off?)

If ,no when, the housing market drops out the economy will collapse.

No way in hell he'll get in in 04'. I doubt he'll win the primarys from his own party.

Again what has he done to directly benefit your life?

 

Siddhartha

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Who Will Stay, Who Will Go, if Bush Wins in 2004?
Mr. Deficit will stay.
And Mr. Debt will go ... up.
That's what you get when the Prez is chicken hawk, and not a deficit hawk.

LOL,
BTW be careful you may be punished for critizing Bush.

 

CaptnKirk

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Jul 25, 2002
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As the grooming for the future takes place it looks to me like if Bush gets re-elected in 2004,
there will be a major push to have Frist run as the next Presidential Candidate - with Ashcroft as the VP.
That is the direction that the Neo-Conservatives are trying to move our political machine.

Now if that IS the direction that they want to go, Bush would have to be defeated in 2004,
or all the rules and regulations will be re-written between 2005 and 2008 to make it happen.
Carefully watch the funding and spending bills as they take more money for themselves.
 

etech

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Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Republicans what has he done for you for this country other than destroing 50 years of good reputation we had Abroad with those who actuallty matter? I think I got a measly $1000 more back last year other than that?

Meanwhile REAL issues:
-he favors Gun control now
-social security time bomb Looms and is not being addressed.
-pension plan time bomb federal/vetrens/and about 1000 companies will be broke very soon.
-debt time bomb the dollar will deflate because we can't borrow.
-balance of trade is increasing and an exodus of more professional jobs like programmers/accountants are moving to china and india.
-state budget debt time bomb.
-continued loss of unskilled jobs to India and China.
-ton of bad loans to Brazil, Argentina, etc, that will never get paid.
-bubble in the auto industry, and even with the bubble no profits.
- terrorism time bomb (how long before the big one goes off?)

If ,no when, the housing market drops out the economy will collapse.

No way in hell he'll get in in 04'. I doubt he'll win the primarys from his own party.

Again what has he done to directly benefit your life?

Do you think Gore has effective answers to any of those problems? Do you think any democrat does? If so, which one and what are their answers?

 

Ornery

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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"Do you think Gore has effective answers to any of those problems? Do you think any democrat does? If so, which one and what are their answers?"

That's what I was thinking. Social Security got put on the back burner, but our ONLY hope of getting that privatized is with the GOP.

Our budget should get balanced when the market takes off again and revenues increase. That's out of anyone's hand IMO.

How the hell anybody is supposed to tell businesses who to hire is beyond me, too.

Terrorism is being addressed in every conceivable way. Damn! "Again what has he done to directly benefit your life?" Addressing terrorism is fvcking HUGE! This is exactly what the federal government is supposed to do. I want as little government involvement as possible, but our security is of paramount importance if you want the rest of your wish list filled.
 

bjc112

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Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Republicans what has he done for you for this country other than destroing 50 years of good reputation we had Abroad with those who actuallty matter? I think I got a measly $1000 more back last year other than that?

Meanwhile REAL issues:
-he favors Gun control now
-social security time bomb Looms and is not being addressed.
-pension plan time bomb federal/vetrens/and about 1000 companies will be broke very soon.
-debt time bomb the dollar will deflate because we can't borrow.
-balance of trade is increasing and an exodus of more professional jobs like programmers/accountants are moving to china and india.
-state budget debt time bomb.
-continued loss of unskilled jobs to India and China.
-ton of bad loans to Brazil, Argentina, etc, that will never get paid.
-bubble in the auto industry, and even with the bubble no profits.
- terrorism time bomb (how long before the big one goes off?)

If ,no when, the housing market drops out the economy will collapse.

No way in hell he'll get in in 04'. I doubt he'll win the primarys from his own party.

Again what has he done to directly benefit your life?

What the hell did Clinton do to benefit your life? And don't say the economy because he didn't.

 

spaceman

Lifer
Dec 4, 2000
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Originally posted by: Ornery
"Do you think Gore has effective answers to any of those problems? Do you think any democrat does? If so, which one and what are their answers?"

That's what I was thinking. Social Security got put on the back burner, but our ONLY hope of getting that privatized is with the GOP.

Our budget should get balanced when the market takes off again and revenues increase. That's out of anyone's hand IMO.

How the hell anybody is supposed to tell businesses who to hire is beyond me, too.

Terrorism is being addressed in every conceivable way. Damn! "Again what has he done to directly benefit your life?" Addressing terrorism is fvcking HUGE! This is exactly what the federal government is supposed to do. I want as little government involvement as possible, but our security is of paramount importance if you want the rest of your wish list filled.

nah, cmon. terrorism could only potentially kill tens of thousands and crash the economy, its a 3rd rate issue at best.
rolleye.gif
 

PIMPBOT5000

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I think its incredibly funny how you people think the president has anything to do with the economy. If any of you people took economics you would know this!

You want a better economy? Then stop being cheap and go spend some money on that new car you've been wanting or buy that new vid card or processor you need! Thats how the economy will get better!

C'mon people you are smarter than to think the president is the sole person who steers the economy one way or another!
 

Zebo

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Jul 29, 2001
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Originally posted by: Ornery
"Do you think Gore has effective answers to any of those problems? Do you think any democrat does? If so, which one and what are their answers?"

That's what I was thinking. Social Security got put on the back burner, but our ONLY hope of getting that privatized is with the GOP.

Our budget should get balanced when the market takes off again and revenues increase. That's out of anyone's hand IMO.

How the hell anybody is supposed to tell businesses who to hire is beyond me, too.

Terrorism is being addressed in every conceivable way. Damn! "Again what has he done to directly benefit your life?" Addressing terrorism is fvcking HUGE! This is exactly what the federal government is supposed to do. I want as little government involvement as possible, but our security is of paramount importance if you want the rest of your wish list filled.

Creating MORE terrorists, taking away americans rights, and searching blue haired old ladies at the airport it'nt effectily addressing anything. In fact it makes Osama smile. Human intell (the hardest to do and least politicized) is going no where. Just in Bagadad for example to cite Bushs "intelligence" they thought Iraqis would want secular democracy , they where wrong.. ><>WMD><>

 

Zebo

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Etech, I asked first and I would never vote for Clinton nor Gore both police state ivy leage elitists like Bush et al;)
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: PIMPBOT5000
I think its incredibly funny how you people think the president has anything to do with the economy. If any of you people took economics you would know this!

You want a better economy? Then stop being cheap and go spend some money on that new car you've been wanting or buy that new vid card or processor you need! Thats how the economy will get better!

C'mon people you are smarter than to think the president is the sole person who steers the economy one way or another!

The old FED and spend more argument. I know all about it. It fusked a good man like Carter in the ass.


One ,no three, problems.

The cost of capital exceeds the return on capital "So where is the incentive to embark on a capital investment spree right now -- or in the near future?"

Without capital spending where are the jobs to spend all this money?

And If the hightech jobs as well as unskilled continue to make it's exodus to India and China where is the money to be spend.

Also unlike the 70's, consumer debt is crippleing the ability to spend, can Greenspan lower rates anymore? It was relativly easy when rates where 17% to lower them to 8% because NO ONE had much DEBT at those insane rates and could borrow with thier credit worthyness.


Is the economic rebuild of Iraq going to save the US? Is that what we are banking on here. More contracts for HAL, Betchel, etc, etc. Isn't that a drop in the bucket compared to the overall economy? Will those jobs be local or in Iraq, or perhaps even China (where stuff is made)?

I have far far far more questions than answers, but I am very concerend about what 20 years of "thinking in the now" has done to this country and what opportunities and debt my children will be greated to at 18.
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: PIMPBOT5000
I think its incredibly funny how you people think the president has anything to do with the economy. If any of you people took economics you would know this!

You want a better economy? Then stop being cheap and go spend some money on that new car you've been wanting or buy that new vid card or processor you need! Thats how the economy will get better!

C'mon people you are smarter than to think the president is the sole person who steers the economy one way or another!

If the president has nothing to do with the economy, why is he pushing his taxcuts as economics stimulus? Once you get into the economic stimulus business, the economy is your responsibility.
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: PIMPBOT5000
I think its incredibly funny how you people think the president has anything to do with the economy. If any of you people took economics you would know this!

You want a better economy? Then stop being cheap and go spend some money on that new car you've been wanting or buy that new vid card or processor you need! Thats how the economy will get better!

C'mon people you are smarter than to think the president is the sole person who steers the economy one way or another!

If the president has nothing to do with the economy, why is he pushing his taxcuts as economics stimulus? Once you get into the economic stimulus business, the economy is your responsibility.



Just wait until he "stimulates" the market by investing Social Security in the overvalued phantom market, the small group of people extracting wealth and savings from a large group will continue to grow and eventually loose big time when the next "correction" takes place. Bankrupcy.

It amazing to me people don't realize they have been truly shafted by the avaricious capitalist system, aided and abetted by short term whorelike politicians. Democrats included. (Senator Dodd)

Then you have whores like the RNC dissing thier own party members, like Sen. George Voinovich of Ohio who is a defiet hawk, by running ads basicallt calling them traitors for not agreeing with thier "stimulus plan". Gotta love the french flag in the background on those domestic spending ads.
 

UltraQuiet

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: PIMPBOT5000
I think its incredibly funny how you people think the president has anything to do with the economy. If any of you people took economics you would know this!

You want a better economy? Then stop being cheap and go spend some money on that new car you've been wanting or buy that new vid card or processor you need! Thats how the economy will get better!

C'mon people you are smarter than to think the president is the sole person who steers the economy one way or another!

If the president has nothing to do with the economy, why is he pushing his taxcuts as economics stimulus? Once you get into the economic stimulus business, the economy is your responsibility.


He can do nothing without the Congress. Read authorization and appropriation. He can submit budgets, use his political influence to get certain things included and negotiate but the sole responsibility falls onto the Congress. It's all right there in that semi-popular but seldom read document called the Constitution.

You must also remember that the White House budget is the starting point of negotiations. He asks for sticker price and they counter with less than invoice. You get the idea.