Who will Kamala pick as VP?

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Indus

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It is a fact that if you have a large (and ongoing, i.e. a constant coming-and-going) influx of migrant workers, sending their earnings home, or taking them home with them, it will have a negative effect on your economy, by taking wealth out of it.

I don't know what one does about that. Solely having liberal migration rules isn't enough, though, there needs to be some sort of transnational arrangement to ameliorate the problem. Brings me back to my reservations about the EU - it seems to be stuck in a problematic kind of half-way-house, neither one thing nor the other.

Whole heartedly agree with that.

Like I was in the Philippines and like 70% of their income is from overseas workers who send money back home.. otherwise it's a very poor country.

India is a bit smart about it.. they really prioritize domestic manufacturing and place very high tariffs on luxury goods from overseas.

Maybe that's the way.. I don't know.. I do know I liked Biden bringing back domestic manufacturing!
 

yottabit

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Only thing that really sucks about Kelly is the loss of a Senate seat. Which was a VERY big deal for Biden.
I thought I read that AZ law requires governor to appoint a senator of the same party. Not sure how the timing of that works out. There’s no guarantee a replacement senator would win re-election when the time comes though


Edit: I guess he would continue to serve his term until inauguration day. Then it would be a temporary appointment until a special election could be held in 2026. Regular election in 2028.
Source: https://azcapitoltimes.com/news/202...ial-ticket-would-have-wide-impact-on-arizona/
 

K1052

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I thought I read that AZ law requires governor to appoint a senator of the same party. Not sure how the timing of that works out. There’s no guarantee a replacement senator would win re-election when the time comes though


Edit: I guess he would continue to serve his term until inauguration day. Then it would be a temporary appointment until a special election could be held in 2026. Regular election in 2028.
Source: https://azcapitoltimes.com/news/202...ial-ticket-would-have-wide-impact-on-arizona/


On of the best things about Kelly:

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Stokely

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How bad is that anti-union vote of his though? I don't know the particulars of that vote, but joining Manchin and Cinema on anything where everyone voted the other way is...not encouraging.

White blue-collar union voters will figure huge in this election I'd guess. Most likely everyone else's eyes will light up with "Astronaut!" and glaze over if the talk turns to unions...
 

K1052

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How bad is that anti-union vote of his though? I don't know the particulars of that vote, but joining Manchin and Cinema on anything where everyone voted the other way is...not encouraging.

White blue-collar union voters will figure huge in this election I'd guess. Most likely everyone else's eyes will light up with "Astronaut!" and glaze over if the talk turns to unions...

Politics baby. There was no actual damage done by the vote and if he reverses his position as far as organized labor is concerned it's a win. They want outcomes not rigid ideological consistency.

Sen. Mark Kelly is backing a pro-union bill. Here's why that matters


On Wednesday, Kelly spoke in clear support of organized labor.

“Unions loom large in our life, and I’m supportive of the PRO Act,” Kelly said.

“I would have voted for it on Day 1,” he said. “I would vote for it today. I am, like a lot of legislation, working to make it better. But if it came to the floor today or any day going back to the day I was sworn in, I would vote for it.”

Israel Torres, the spokesperson for the Arizona Building and Construction Trades Council that represents 14 unions and 15,000 workers, said Kelly is “somebody we can work closely with.”

“He’s a pragmatist and we haven’t seen eye-to-eye on every issue,” Torres said. “But he’s surely been someone to roll his sleeves up and fight for what he thinks is important, and we’ve found that more often than not to be very consistent with labor needs.”
 

Stokely

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Works for me. All I want is someone that helps Harris win. This pick might be huge. In a sane world that proverbial ham sandwich would trounce a felon who after trying one coup says "you won't need to worry about voting after this election", but we aren't in a sane world.
 

iRONic

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Clearly we aren't going to solve it with a right wing talking point but there is a problem there. And I'm not blaming the migrants but we need to find a solution here or we might end up being bankrupt like Sri Lanka (one of my favorite vacation spots).
Your post right there shows me that you and to some extent @pmv don't understand, or are not factoring into scale. The scale of this country is not gonna turn it into Sri Lanka via immigrants sending money back to their families and home countries! Shitlol

Bring1 million more immigrants into this country and you still wouldn't fill a significant portion of the currently available jobs.
 
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---Kamala Harris now has a shortlist of 3 VP picks:• Arizona Senator Mark Kelly• Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro• Minnesota Governor Tim WalzPer Bloomberg
 

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Your post right there shows me that you and to some extent @pmv don't understand, or are not factoring into scale. The scale of this country is not gonna turn it into Sri Lanka via immigrants sending money back to their families and home countries! Shitlol

Bring1 million more immigrants into this country and you still wouldn't fill a significant portion of the currently available jobs.

I'm not saying that's the danger. That the whole country will become impoverished.

Merely that migrants coming in above all if they are not settling permanently but are just coming to earn as much money as possible while spending as little as possible, and then go home again after a short time probably don't 'create as many jobs as they take', which is the standard argument always deployed when people complain about migrants 'taking our jobs'.

Its a specific phenomenon associated with the particular form of migration encouraged by the EU (very different from people in the 19th century taking ocean liners across the Atlantic to make a new life in the US, never to see their home country again), that has political effects because it adversely affects certain groups within a country.

The presence of such incomers benefits some people and hurts others. That needs to be accounted for and the effects ameliorated (i.e. share the costs and benefits around between everyone).

It was compounded in the UK because it coincided with 'austerity', i.e. cuts to public spending (areas worst hit by austerity were much more inclined to vote leave).

Add in those factors, plus of course, racism, and the stupidity of Cameron in holding that wretched referendum in the first place (to try and solve internal Tory Party disputes - heh, that went well) and it was enough to push the Brexit vote over the line.
 

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Charge the immigrants a 50% tax on anymo ies they send/carry out of the country.
 

kage69

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9 years younger than Walz. And yes, given recent events I'm sorry that matters. Consistency and all. This is the transition away from boomers for the executive.

Next up, Congress. It can happen if the voter participation level maintains it's upward trajectory. Given the energy for Harris after Biden's announcement, my guess is it will exceed 2020's 66% and possibly by a significant amount.
 
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---Kamala Harris now has a shortlist of 3 VP picks:• Arizona Senator Mark Kelly• Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro• Minnesota Governor Tim WalzPer Bloomberg

Dammit - I was looking forward to Pete squaring off in a Debate against Vance. Watching Pete destroy him would have hilarious.
 

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---Kamala Harris now has a shortlist of 3 VP picks:• Arizona Senator Mark Kelly• Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro• Minnesota Governor Tim WalzPer Bloomberg
Trying to put my personal distaste for his job as governor of MN aside, I dont understand Walz as a pick. He is a liberal from a liberal state, and does nothing to bring in moderates/undecideds or solidify the swing states. It is like Trump picking JD Vance. Instead of trying to appeal to undecideds and balance the ticket, it would an in your face pick, (doubling down on the "progressive" agenda) to those who want more moderate and middle class friendly policies from the Dems. Walz aslo has a huge vulnerability to attack from his (mis)handling of the George Floyd riots. Walz is the only VP candidate that would make me seriously regret having him on the ticket when I vote for Harris.
 
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Pete was my number one choice but only in a dream world since this is America and has to be a straight white man.

I was big on Shapiro and I still am but I kind of wish Beshear was still in the mix.
 

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You all know Jon Stewart/ Al Franken is my top 2.

Pete's #3.

After that it gets more complicated as the contenders are really even with different pros and cons but reality is Kam doesn't win without PA. The math simply isn't there.

That's the big mountain she's gotta climb and Trump is focusing on MN because MN is always close too.

Shapiro and Wahl make sense.
 

ondma

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You all know Jon Stewart/ Al Franken is my top 2.

Pete's #3.

After that it gets more complicated as the contenders are really even with different pros and cons but reality is Kam doesn't win without PA. The math simply isn't there.

That's the big mountain she's gotta climb and Trump is focusing on MN because MN is always close too.

Shapiro and Wahl make sense.
From what I read, Kamala thinks Walz will appeal to the rural voters and solidify the so called "Blue Wall". Didnt she even look at the results of the last Governor's race in MN? Walz is pretty much despised in rural Minnesota. He only won the last election (against a terrible Rep candidate) because he carried the major metro areas of Rochester, Mankato, Twin Cities, and Duluth. The only rural counties he won were a few in far northeast MN. walz map.jpg
 

ondma

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You all know Jon Stewart/ Al Franken is my top 2.

Pete's #3.

After that it gets more complicated as the contenders are really even with different pros and cons but reality is Kam doesn't win without PA. The math simply isn't there.

That's the big mountain she's gotta climb and Trump is focusing on MN because MN is always close too.

Shapiro and Wahl make sense.
I suppose you could say MN is "close", but it tends vote more blue than most of the swing states. Biden won by over 7% in 2020, and Minnesota has not gone Republican in the Presidential race since 1972. I do think there is considerable backlash against the very liberal agenda pushed through since the Dems got a Trifecta in 2022 (Governor and both houses of state legislature), so maybe Trump will have a chance in 2024. In fact, I am not ever sure having Walz on the ticket would be a plus toward winning MN.
 

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I wonder if the timing of Kamala's VP pick is almost as important as who she picks, or even if she has as much say as she would like in that critical decision making process. Surely the Democrats aren't going to make the same monstrous blunder the Trump advisers did with picking Vance, unless of course it was actually up to Trump to decide and all of a sudden it does make sense why Vance was picked.
 

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I suppose you could say MN is "close", but it tends vote more blue than most of the swing states. Biden won by over 7% in 2020, and Minnesota has not gone Republican in the Presidential race since 1972. I do think there is considerable backlash against the very liberal agenda pushed through since the Dems got a Trifecta in 2022 (Governor and both houses of state legislature), so maybe Trump will have a chance in 2024. In fact, I am not ever sure having Walz on the ticket would be a plus toward winning MN.

Wait what?

Ellaborate.
 

Stokely

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DNC (iirc) deadline for submitting the full ticket (POTUS and VP) is Aug 7. We'll know soon who it is.