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Who will Kamala pick as VP?

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Pens1566 said:
Yes, because a loss in Nov. is entirely possible. I'd argue, probable as things currently stand. And the potential candidates you're talking about are political/animal control freaks that probably aren't real keen on hitching their wagon to a situation that is not only not planned out, but everyone has differing opinions on which way it should go.

And I don't see anyone denying his capacity. A lot of people just don't think it matters as much as some others. The rest of that screed is your own ... take on the subject. The cakes are largely baked. Like we've been saying all along.

You could replace "Biden" with almost anyone (and whatever negative situation they have) right now, and I'd probably feel the same way about changing course. I have no ties or any real attachment to him or any particular part of him at all. So, not a cult. It's simply about the risk aversion to jumping into a complete unknown where no one knows what the process or plan is, and gamble away. I judge that risk as higher than the situation we already know.
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If it's just being risk-averse then whatever but what I've seen is a lot of statements from certain people that kind of deny the situation we're in with Biden. And that includes how bad his capabilities are now. That also includes anybody who mentions the primary like it was anything but a formal coronation, which Biden made so .

Those types of statements specifically are what I am referring to.

They've been made, and maybe sometimes I made a mistake perhaps, my bad, but there were plenty of those kind of comments made as well which I responded too.

It's time to unite behind Kamala Harris our next president, really excited to see the ticket being announced, unless they fuck up the VP pick of course, which I don't think they will 😁
 
Zorba said:
"You go to war with the army you have, not the army you wish you had'
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Sure but it explains why some folks have been reluctant/resistant to changing the general once the battle had already opened.

At this point it's already academic and Biden has no options remaining. Biden wasn't able to prevent the dam from failing (although it hasn't totally burst yet); in theory he could still stay on and just lose the election but that would be a terrible decision. I'm sure a part of the campaign/family feels that Comeback Joe could still hit his inside straight on the river.
 
manly said:
Obviously it's more complicated than that. Exactly 4 years ago, Joe Biden was about +9 in the national polling average. If that was still the case today, we wouldn't be talking about his cognitive decline. (Granted part of the reason he is -2 is the age issue itself.)



I think I'd already capitulated to a Kamala Harris candidacy about 2 weeks ago (when it was not yet inevitable), but one thing people are kind of glossing over is that Harris is no slam dunk plan B. For one, she just hasn't been a popular politician in the past and it's anyone's guess if that's fundamentally changed.* And to your point, Harris is very much an extension of the Biden administration and the Democratic platform. Although she solves the vexing "Biden is too old" issue, she doesn't change anything about the top 2 issues that voters are unhappy about: economy and migrants at the southern border. All paths are risky because this conversation should have been dealt with 10 months ago.

* For the swath of swing state voters that will decide the election. Harris' net favorability ratings have never been good at the national level. Even 2 months ago, I thought elevating Harris to the top of the ticket was a terrible idea but that was well before the debate disaster.
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Migrants shouldn't be an issue if Dems just remember to hammer the message that Republicans handed them when they blocked immigration reform. Economy just hammer all the same stats Trump hammered when he was touting his amazing economy. All of Biden's metrics are better. Hammer Republicans on voting against the infrastructure investments that they take credit for at home. Hammer Republicans for wearing diapers on their heads like a bunch of lunatics. Play the clip of Vance calling Trump Hitler on an endless loop. Hammer abortion access for rape victims and septic pregnancies. Hammer project 2025, and book bans.

It shouldn't be difficult. Republicans gave us a lot of talking points and easy layups against anything they try to say. Stay the fuck away from gun control until after the election. People who want guns banned are not voting for Republicans unless they are brain dead. Nothing is gained by pandering to them. Stay away from all the progressive ideas for now. The battle is for the weirdos in the center. The progressive base is going to show up. They've been over delivering for a few cycles now.
 
dank69 said:
Migrants shouldn't be an issue if Dems just remember to hammer the message that Republicans handed them when they blocked immigration reform. Economy just hammer all the same stats Trump hammered when he was touting his amazing economy. All of Biden's metrics are better. Hammer Republicans on voting against the infrastructure investments that they take credit for at home. Hammer Republicans for wearing diapers on their heads like a bunch of lunatics. Play the clip of Vance calling Trump Hitler on an endless loop. Hammer abortion access for rape victims and septic pregnancies. Hammer project 2025, and book bans.

It shouldn't be difficult. Republicans gave us a lot of talking points and easy layups against anything they try to say. Stay the fuck away from gun control until after the election. People who want guns banned are not voting for Republicans unless they are brain dead. Nothing is gained by pandering to them. Stay away from all the progressive ideas for now. The battle is for the weirdos in the center. The progressive base is going to show up. They've been over delivering for a few cycles now.
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"Shouldn't" be an issue/difficult. And I could just as easily say DJT should be in federal prison, but instead he's leading the race to become the next POTUS.

Objectively, I don't disagree with your points but you give the electorate way too much credit. They're the same folks who elected Trump in 2016, but arguably even more delusional now. Whether Joe Biden or Kamala Harris is the Democratic nominee for president, we have a lot of work to do to get enough "weirdos in the center" in a handful of states.

Voters are easily duped despite any metrics you can provide. They pine for their $8 Big Mac combos of a few years ago, are frustrated by high housing prices (as if Joe Biden is a national real estate developer) and they bash a national economy that has outperformed ALL of its peers over the past few years. They latch onto tragedies like Laken Riley and a few others, and have convinced themselves the U.S. is a hellscape like Haiti.

Does it really matter if it's all bullshit if the rubes believe it? I'm not talking about MAGAts (about 33%), but the 15% of voters that DJT needs to capture to win the election. I'm not trying to sound pessimistic because I'm not that, but with the rigged Electoral College, it's an uphill battle compared to four years ago.
 
Everyone is presuming that if Joe steps down, Kamala will be the candidate...I think the DNC convention will have something to say about that. At this point, it really doesn't matter who runs as the (D) candidate. Youse bunch of fckng whiners have clouded Biden's changes to the point that many people will no longer be comfortable voting for him...and there isn't a single Democrat candidate who can step in at this late point and bring down the Orange Menace.
 
BoomerD said:
Everyone is presuming that if Joe steps down, Kamala will be the candidate...I think the DNC convention will have something to say about that. At this point, it really doesn't matter who runs as the (D) candidate. Youse bunch of fckng whiners have clouded Biden's changes to the point that many people will no longer be comfortable voting for him...and there isn't a single Democrat candidate who can step in at this late point and bring down the Orange Menace.
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Personally, I don't think you can know that for a fact just as some of these jokers have convinced themselves that Biden cant
 
BoomerD said:
Everyone is presuming that if Joe steps down, Kamala will be the candidate...I think the DNC convention will have something to say about that.
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They could.
But they would be throwing away the natural succession, and the campaign money.
They would be spitting on Women and POC by sidelining Harris.
None of that is smart.

BoomerD said:
At this point, it really doesn't matter who runs as the (D) candidate. Youse bunch of fckng whiners have clouded Biden's changes to the point that many people will no longer be comfortable voting for him
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Biden has done that himself. Not exactly his fault though, everyone withers and dies of old age. His people hiding him from us all year are terribly guilty for this shit storm.

Are you even aware of the call Biden had with Democrats last weekend?
The President was not coherent. He was unable to speak campaign strategy. It was worse than the debate.
I feel like people ignoring Democrat leadership are completely ignorant of the situation.

The party leaders would not have joined the chorus to quit if they did not witness the situation for themselves.
Why? Why your position? Are you trying to shit on them too? Weekend at Bernies IS NOT a winning campaign.
We need a candidate who can actually go out there and do the job.
 
Jaskalas said:
They could.
But they would be throwing away the natural succession, and the campaign money.
They would be spitting on Women and POC by sidelining Harris.
None of that is smart.


Biden has done that himself. Not exactly his fault though, everyone withers and dies of old age. His people hiding him from us all year are terribly guilty for this shit storm.

Are you even aware of the call Biden had with Democrats last weekend?
The President was not coherent. He was unable to speak campaign strategy. It was worse than the debate.
I feel like people ignoring Democrat leadership are completely ignorant of the situation.

The party leaders would not have joined the chorus to quit if they did not witness the situation for themselves.
Why? Why your position? Are you trying to shit on them too? Weekend at Bernies IS NOT a winning campaign.
We need a candidate who can actually go out there and do the job.
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I agree, Biden is over the hill...IMO, he was there in 2020...we need a candidate who can actually go out there and WIN...so far, I'm not seeing any names floated around who can.

As for "natural succession," no one OWES it to Kamala to support her for president. I was
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when Biden chose her as his running mate. I firmly believe she was chosen because she's (a) a woman, and (b) a person of color...all to gain the votes from those groups. (women and POC voters) I DO NOT believe she's a strong enough candidate to win against Trump.
 
BoomerD said:
I agree, Biden is over the hill...IMO, he was there in 2020...we need a candidate who can actually go out there and WIN...so far, I'm not seeing any names floated around who can.

As for "natural succession," no one OWES it to Kamala to support her for president. I was
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when Biden chose her as his running mate. I firmly believe she was chosen because she's (a) a woman, and (b) a person of color...all to gain the votes from those groups. (women and POC voters) I DO NOT believe she's a strong enough candidate to win against Trump.
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I think she COULD win if she makes a smart pick for VP and doesn't mention gun control even once in any form between now and November. Not scaring away never Trumpers I think is the biggest key to this election. The base is motivated and will remain motivated. We don't need to pander to them as much as in the past. Look at the comments on any non-right-wing article/video/website. Half the comments are rallies to vote blue like your life depends on it. Compare for example Yahoo newsfeed comments the last year compared to 2016 or 2020. They used to be dominated by right wing trolls. Now it's vote blue, vote, Republicans are trash, and many right wing posts get downvoted into oblivion.
 
dank69 said:
I think she COULD win if she makes a smart pick for VP and doesn't mention gun control even once in any form between now and November. Not scaring away never Trumpers I think is the biggest key to this election. The base is motivated and will remain motivated. We don't need to pander to them as much as in the past. Look at the comments on any non-right-wing article/video/website. Half the comments are rallies to vote blue like your life depends on it. Compare for example Yahoo newsfeed comments the last year compared to 2016 or 2020. They used to be dominated by right wing trolls. Now it's vote blue, vote, Republicans are trash, and many right wing posts get downvoted into oblivion.
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If she's elevated to top the ticket she will run to the center immediately. The left flank of the party will not complain because they want to win the election.

I sincerely think we are underrating the potential appeal of a basically normal, non ancient, candidate who can appear in all sorts of venues all the time and articulate coherent thoughts.
 
Zorba said:
"You go to war with the army you have, not the army you wish you had'
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You omitted an issue more amplified with Trump’s pick of JD Vance, the rights of women to be in charge of their own healthcare, including reproductive rights/ birth control.

Harris can say she will implement the bi-partisan deal worked out earlier this year Trump had killed to get elected

Absent inflation which a President can’t control our economy is doing pretty well. What country is doing better? People don’t like the overall price increase of essentials however inflation is down to 3%
 
BoomerD said:
Everyone is presuming that if Joe steps down, Kamala will be the candidate...I think the DNC convention will have something to say about that. At this point, it really doesn't matter who runs as the (D) candidate. Youse bunch of fckng whiners have clouded Biden's changes to the point that many people will no longer be comfortable voting for him...and there isn't a single Democrat candidate who can step in at this late point and bring down the Orange Menace.
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It's Joe or Kamala. You really want the SCOTUS in volved in this?
 
HomerJS said:
Absent inflation which a President can’t control our economy is doing pretty well. What country is doing better? People don’t like the overall price increase of essentials however inflation is down to 3%
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People's vibes are more important than the facts. They've convinced themselves that groceries have doubled in price (they haven't), and that DJT will bring back $8 Big Mac combos.

Also, largely because of Reaganomics and other GOP policies, the middle class has not thrived over these past few decades. So while it's undeniably true that the macroeconomy has done well and the middle class has been resilient with real wage increases, a lot of people don't feel it and blame the incumbent. It's a fundamental misunderstanding of the world and of DJT's stewardship, but good luck trying to fix brain rot.

And social media is a force multiplier for wrong thinking and bad vibes.


hal2kilo said:
It's Joe or Kamala. You really want the SCOTUS in volved in this?
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He really hates Kamala. To be fair, Perknose said something similar, which is that a cohort of voters are reluctant or resistant to vote for a woman of color. I don't mean MAGA, but the coveted swing voters that will decide the election like they did the last two times. That aside, the question is which person gives you a better chance of winning, and right now it's incredibly hard to say that is Joe Biden.
 
People who say Harris isn't a good VP, I have a question...

Is she better than Mike Pence? Are we saying she is better than Pence but not good enough to beat Trump?
 
A white male midwesterner? LOL.

Honestly…if we want any hope of energizing the base after all this post-debate shit…Michelle Obama.
 
MrSquished said:
It should be a straight white man not from a left coast or east coast state. As much as I and many of us wish we could pick someone like Mayor Pete - America is probably not ready for a minority woman and gay man ticket. And even though I love Whitmer and had hoped for a primary for her to win, Biden stole that from us. It can't be two women unfortunately.

Maybe in 2028 if we can repudiate Trumpism at the polls now that we have a viable candidate, we can start to break through those barriers.

The clear choices are some governors, including Beshear in Kentucky and Shapiro in PA. I'm with @K1052, Shapiro is the best choice as we need PA. The Jewish thing I think can work out as it's not his identity. He's a PA guy.

Any other picks?
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America wouldn't mind the minority woman and gay man if they weren't insanely incompetent at their jobs, speaking, and life in general.
 
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