who was the last good american president?

[Moonbeam]

Well, shit.
Now I am out of luck!

Well with that aren't you one for two? And as for the 3/4ths, I said it will do but did not set a bottom limit. I myself hardly ever think at all except to find the words to put to feelings.

 

[MajinCry]

Last good? Nixon. Best? Teddy Roosevelt.

Teddy Roosevelt?

That supremacist fella?


Surely Franklin Roosevelt is the better one?

 

[norseamd]

Voted Carter.

 

[brianmanahan]

Surely Franklin Roosevelt is the better one?

yeah i thought about voting for FDR

(in this poll, not INRL)

 

[norseamd]

FDR did some good stuff as president, but he wasnt that great of a man.

 

[brianmanahan]

FDR did some good stuff as president, but he wasnt that great of a man.

true

but that polio scores him some pity points

 

[Jaskalas]

Voted Carter.

What made Carter a good President?

 

[norseamd]

What made Carter a good President?

Honestly I wasnt 100% sure on the pick, but he was not as bad as a person as everyone after him. For example, half the shit W gets blamed for was done by Clinton. And Reagan fucked a lot of shit up, and set a lot of the stage for where we are now. George H. W. Bush might be the sanest of the lot after Carter, but I wouldnt trust him to be an decent and honorable man. Obama seems pretty sane too, just apathetic and corrupt.

 

[Moonbeam]

Honestly I wasnt 100% sure on the pick, but he was not as bad as a person as everyone after him. For example, half the shit W gets blamed for was done by Clinton. And Reagan fucked a lot of shit up, and set a lot of the stage for where we are now. George H. W. Bush might be the sanest of the lot after Carter, but I wouldnt trust him to be an decent and honorable man. Obama seems pretty sane too, just apathetic and corrupt.

He put solar on the White House but keeping them there was not in the stars.

 

[Fayd]

Teddy Roosevelt?

That supremacist fella?


Surely Franklin Roosevelt is the better one?

Definitely Teddy Roosevelt. No other president personally did as much to enhance the power and prestige of the United States as Teddy. (except *maybe* an argument could be made for Washington...)

 

[norseamd]

Definitely Teddy Roosevelt. No other president personally did as much to enhance the power and prestige of the United States as Teddy. (except *maybe* an argument could be made for Washington...)

You mean the shithole who layed down the iron fist of imperialism on the Philippines?

 

[MajinCry]

Call me crazy, but I don't rate lads, that want to wipe out an entire race, that highly. They're rather low on me list o' top notch buds.

 

[Ken g6]

Obama's pretty good. Clinton was better, except he made a bunch of bad trade deals. (So did Obama. So did Bush, I think.)

Going back before that, I think JFK might be the next president to surpass them. I don't blame Carter for Iran; I blame Carter for gas lines. It seems like a lot of presidents don't understand economics. Given a scarce resource, artificially reduce its price and you'll get shortages.

 

[dank69]

Define good...
Obama is weak and inexperienced...

Except when he is drone-striking terrorists American citizens, right?

 

[Sonikku]

That's my thought. It really baffles my mind that the President who made the AIDS crisis significantly worse by ignoring and mocking it, committed treason, enacted the worst economic system since serfdom, created the Taliban and Al Quaeda, and is more responsible for the destruction of the middle class than probably any President could be considered a great President.

Honestly he's probably in the top 5 worst.

But he was so charismatic and funny. That's worth something. Isn't it? :'(

 

[Jaskalas]

Except when he is drone-striking terrorists American citizens, right?

• I believe I supported Rand Paul's March 2013 filibuster against that.
• In one topic I decried Democrats holding the partisan line and supporting Obama in this. Though I admit that got a bit off topic.
• There's one topic out there where I cited September 11th as a case for why the government would legitimately shoot planes down, and would have done so if they could have moved faster.

But really, I'm just wondering what the hell you're trying to argue here? Could use some actual words for explanation. Perhaps to form a complete argument instead of baseless innuendo.

 

[buckshot24]

Poor W

 

[dank69]

• I believe I supported Rand Paul's March 2013 filibuster against that.
• In one topic I decried Democrats holding the partisan line and supporting Obama in this. Though I admit that got a bit off topic.
• There's one topic out there where I cited September 11th as a case for why the government would legitimately shoot planes down, and would have done so if they could have moved faster.

But really, I'm just wondering what the hell you're trying to argue here? Could use some actual words for explanation. Perhaps to form a complete argument instead of baseless innuendo.

Just playing with the whole weak tyrant thing you guys make him out to be.

 

[Jaskalas]

Just playing with the whole weak tyrant thing you guys make him out to be.

I call Obama weak and inexperienced because he relied on corrupt people, who he then allowed to corrupt his policies. I'm working under an assumption he's not inherently evil and was expressing something genuine back in 2008.

But when you look back at the first campaign I do not think America got an administration that reflected the man running for office.

 

[dank69]

I call Obama weak and inexperienced because he relied on corrupt people, who he then allowed to corrupt his policies. I'm working under an assumption he's not inherently evil and was expressing something genuine back in 2008.

But when you look back at the first campaign I do not think America got an administration that reflected the man running for office.

To be fair, it's a little hard to bring about hope and change when the other side responds exclusively with "fuck no" and "I'm pretty sure you aren't allowed to be here anyway."

 

[zinfamous]

That's my thought. It really baffles my mind that the President who made the AIDS crisis significantly worse by ignoring and mocking it, committed treason, enacted the worst economic system since serfdom, created the Taliban and Al Quaeda, and is more responsible for the destruction of the middle class than probably any President could be considered a great President.

Honestly he's probably in the top 5 worst.

This.

Carter was pretty bad, but he was far, far better for this country than Reagan ever was.

 

[zinfamous]

Sort of how Mussolini made the trains run on time and Hitler brought jobs?


Impressive.

Except Mussolini never actually got the trains running (that expression was always meant as a satirical joke to sort of deflate the animosity of post-Mussolini years...somehow some years later it began to be interpreted as something more than a joke).

 

[FerrelGeek]

I wonder how much of his good reputation is due to him being killed while in office.

That did have something to do with it. IIRC, he was actually losing some popularity, which played some part in his trip to Dallas; early campaigning.

 

[woolfe9998]

I wonder how much of his good reputation is due to him being killed while in office.

It could be, to a point, but if you look at the 4 POTUSES who were assassinated, two of them - Lincoln and Kennedy - are popular. The other two - McKinley and Garfield... Wait, who were McKinley and Garfield?

 

[FerrelGeek]

It could be, to a point, but if you look at the 4 POTUSES who were assassinated, two of them - Lincoln and Kennedy - are popular. The other two - McKinley and Garfield... Wait, who were McKinley and Garfield?

Dudes from Ohio. Of the 8 OH presidents, 2 were assassinated and 2 died in office.