Who was screaming, Trayvon or George?

[Geosurface]

I'm just curious where opinions stand on this currently.

I think this question is a good indicator of a person's general view of the case and ability to look logically at evidence and use common sense.

 

[Orignal Earl]

My common tells me to wait for the trial and ponder the evidence as it plays out.
I haven't listened to any recordings yet.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I chose "I'm not sure but I lean toward it being GZ" as it's possible that TM may have screamed at the very end once GZ was able to secure his pistol though I still believe that the screams for help during the majority of the 911 call were from GZ.

 

[Geosurface]

I have listened extensively to all scream recordings, both in the context of full 911 calls as well as isolated screams cut and put into one file.

I have listened to GZ's voice extensively, and to TM's a small amount (as much as is currently available) TM had a substantially deeper voice, as his father Tracy Martin does.

I am certain it was GZ screaming, based on his injuries, his account, John's account, logic of whether someone sustaining those injuries would scream like that (the screams are of absolute terror and pain) whether someone with a broken nose which is being hit again would scream, and whether someone administering a beating would scream (they wouldn't, or if they did it would probably be more intelligible and of the nature of "this guy's got a gun! someone help me hold him down!" something...)

I don't think there is any sort of way to believe it was TM other than via ignorance, emotion, or both.

Sorry to be so harsh but, it is clearly GZ's voice too.

I also happen to think it is ONLY GZ screaming and that, at least on the recordings we have, TM never screamed.

 

[Anarchist420]

There are only two people who knew exactly what happened and one of them is dead.

GZ should be considered NOT GUILTY. This case illustrates better than any other I can currently think of as to why a verdict based upon preponderance of evidence would not fair.

 

[Lemon law]

I did not vote in the poll, but I point out two things.

1. If the voice recording is worth a dime, modern technology such as spectrum analyzers can rule Zimmerman in or out as the screamer. The same thing could be said about TM, if and only if some other voice recording of TM exists. Of course such technology can be foxed with with a voice scrambler. But long odds, the recorded scream is not scrambled and we will have to wait until the trial to find out.

2. We have not spent enough forum time analyzing the flaws of stand your ground laws.
As we tend to look at it from only Zimmerman eyes. But what about the perspective of Trevan Martin. Armed with only a soft drink and some candy. Does TM have the same right to stand his ground when confronted by a crazy looking and crazy acting GZ? I can understand why, for a black man or woman, or for the matter other American minorities, becoming the next Emmit Till is not without way too much precedent. What went through the mind of Trevan Martin in the last minute of his life? Maybe he fought back and maybe he didn't. But what would you do if you were Trevan Martin and confronted with a menacing kook?

 

[Jaskalas]

I have absolutely no idea.

Sure, it'd make sense given the injuries, but that's only circumstantial. Why would a grown man be screaming and wasting energy that is needed to kill his assailant?

 

[Dari]

Keep this shit in that thread, please...

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I did not vote in the poll, but I point out two things.

1. If the voice recording is worth a dime, modern technology such as spectrum analyzers can rule Zimmerman in or out as the screamer. The same thing could be said about TM, if and only if some other voice recording of TM exists. Of course such technology can be foxed with with a voice scrambler. But long odds, the recorded scream is not scrambled and we will have to wait until the trial to find out.

The FBI doesn't seem to be able to determine who was screaming and I suspect they have some of the best equipment/software to analyze the data.

http://news.yahoo.com/trayvon-martin-had-traces-marijuana-system-002214340.html

"Critical listening and digital signal analysis further revealed that the screaming voice of the 911 call is of insufficient voice quality and duration to conduct a meaningful voice comparison with any other voice samples," concluded Kenneth Marr, a specialist with the FBI's digital evidence laboratory in Quantico, Virginia.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

There are only two people who knew exactly what happened and one of them is dead.

GZ should be considered NOT GUILTY. This case illustrates better than any other I can currently think of as to why a verdict based upon preponderance of evidence would not fair.

It wouldn't surprise me to see GZ win his criminal case and lose a civil one.

 

[Infohawk]

Don't know but it seems unlikely that someone would be giving out punishment and screaming like that at the same time. The person who was screaming seemed to be losing the fight.

 

[a777pilot]

Where's the choice .... "I don't care"?

 

[tashatexas]

Three experts have listened and none have said its Zimmerman.

It doesnt make sense that a grown ass man would be screaming period let alone when he has a gawd damned gun. The screaming stopped the second the shot was fired so whoever was screaming got shot. You can't be that stupid, oh wait....

 

[tashatexas]

Let me state this again: Three different experts have listened to the tapes. Two have said its not Zimmerman. One had Zimmerman's voice trying to duplicate the screaming sounds, the best scenario available to determine whose voice it is and he did not say it was Zimmerman. What does that mean? Not a single expert has said its Zimmerman while two have said it definitely is not Zimmerman. And then there is this fucktard named Geosurface

 

[Lemon law]

Funny a777pilot, who says, " Where's the choice .... "I don't care"?
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Shut up and die! "

Sorry and with all due respects, if what you have said on other threads is true and you are in fact dying, its a rather weird statement. As you have gone on forum record as saying its basically your forum mission to spew as much forum vitriol as possible.

 

[tashatexas]

Look at the face of the man in those pictures. Does he look like someone who just had an angry black thug sitting on his chest beating him on the face? Shouldnt his face look like the back of his head? Something is not adding up.

 

[tashatexas]

Also, its quite clear that his nose is not broken in those pics. If he showed up at the docs office the next day with a fractured nose, he did it himself.

 

[lotus503]

I chose "I'm not sure but I lean toward it being GZ" as it's possible that TM may have screamed at the very end once GZ was able to secure his pistol though I still believe that the screams for help during the majority of the 911 call were from GZ.

I agree with this. No way to really know though.

 

[Skitzer]

Also, its quite clear that his nose is not broken in those pics. You are a Medical Doctor? If he showed up at the docs office the next day with a fractured nose, he did it himself.You're saying he broke his own nose?

Are you saying he purposely inflicted those wounds on himself? Really?

 

[Sinsear]

The real question is if he is found not guilty, will there be riots?

 

[shortylickens]

The real question is if he is found not guilty, will there be riots?

In Florida?
Not likely. Had it been LA they would have found Zim guilty just to avoid civil problems.

 

[Icepick]

The real question is if he is found not guilty, will there be riots?

Of course not.

 

[Icepick]

I'll side with the experts on this one who ruled out the possibility of the voice being George Zimmerman's.

 

[Infohawk]

I'll side with the experts on this one who ruled out the possibility of the voice being George Zimmerman's.

It's amazing people are still going on about this. Are you talking about the history major who was trying to sell his software by getting publicity? The FBI concluded that one can't draw a conclusion from the two voice samples.

 

[BUTCH1]

Why another thread about this?Geo posting the same crap now in another thread. I'm beginning to think GZ is a personal hero to you for killing an unarmed black kid, it's obvious you consider him chasing after a scared kid at night who did absolutely nothing to provoke GZ, while carrying a gun as perfectly OK, Black kid dead, Geo happy!!..