Who was right and who was wrong?

imported_Tomato

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Situation:

My fiance and I went to eat lunch at a restaurant today. After we finished, as we went up to the front to pay a bill, there was a commotion involving waitresses, the manager and an elderly lady. The manager was telling the woman to please leave, and she was screaming, "ONLY AN INDIAN WOULD PUT AN OLD WOMAN OUT ON THE STREET! ONLY YOU INDIANS WOULD KICK AN OLD LADY OUT ON THE STREET!!"

I asked one of the waitresses what was going on, and she said, "This woman came in yesterday, and we took her in and gave her a free meal. She told a few different stories, and we're not sure she's completely there. We told her to call the police or to go elsewhere for help, but she convinced some people to take her and her bags somewhere. Those people came back later and warned us that she would ask for a place to stay, beg for money, ask to be driven to the airport or to another city, and that she was very mentally unstable. We would recommend staying away from her, she's been insulting our guests and now our manager with a lot of racial insults. If she doesn't get what she wants from someone, she'll use a racial slur towards that person. She's insulted "Arab towel-heads", "n******", etc."

I was nervous and told my fiance we had to go, but the homeless woman asked my fiance to help her carry her bags and drive her somewhere. My fiance always tries to be a gentleman, so he began carrying all her bags to our car. Honestly, I didn't not feel completely comfortable with the situation, and asked my fiance to please let her wait for her cab (the restaurant had called a cab for her) and for us to go. He ignored me, took the woman's bags to our car (my car), and drove away.

I was upset because:

1. My fiance blatantly disrespected me by leaving when I had asked him to please not leave... especially with a racist.

2. My fiance would have put me in danger had I gotten into the car as well (if the woman was mentally unstable, she could have had a knife, a gun, whatever... I was erring on the side of caution).

3. My fiance left me for almost half an hour, disappeard to god knows where, didn't pick up his cell phone and left me in the restaurant crying to a waitress.

He eventually came back, and his side of the story was that he just wanted to help a homeless woman, and despite everyone else telling him not to help, he did because he felt it was the right thing. He didn't feel he was in danger, and despite the fact she was a racist, he felt she needed help so he helped her.

Maybe I'm being irrational or over-emotional, but I really feel as if he shouldn't have gone. We just had an argument over it, and I guess I was curious about ATOT's opinion... please bear in mind I'm not adverse to helping out a homeless person or someone in need, but in this specific situation I didn't feel comfortable or safe about it.

Thoughts?

Cliff notes, as requested:

1. Crazy old racist lady in a restaurant, is hysterical calls the manager a "dirty Indian".
2. The restaurant had called a cab for her, but she asked my fiance to put her bags into my car and give her a ride somewhere.
3. I tell fiance not to go because I don't feel safe/comfortable with the situation. I said I would stay at the restaurant if he went, but that I would prefer he let the lady wait for her cab. He takes off. Half an hour later he comes back, says that even if the lady was a racist she needed help so he helped her.
5. I felt disrespected, he felt like he was doing the right thing.

EDIT: Clarifications...

1. I chose not to get in the car and to stay at the restaurant, fiance did not just up and leave me.
2. Fiance did not hear his cell phone ring, woman was hysterically talking/screaming the whole way.

RESOLUTION:

1. After fiance dropped the old woman off, she was distraught and told him not to go... he said he had to, and she went over to a family in a Benz, knocked on the window, and begged them for help. As my fiance was leaving, the man who was driving the Benz rolled down the window and said, "Just calm down, just calm down. Now, what can I do to help you get to Arizona?"
2. Fiance and I talked, he conceded some points as did I, and we agreed that in the future, we will consult each other to resolve things as a team, together.
 

Platypus

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Why do you feel the need to post things that happen in your life to complete strangers?

Maybe that's why girls like assholes, yours obviouly isn't one and you've not only gotten into a fight about it, you've made it public affair on a board that he visits. I applaud your tact.
 

Tremulant

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I would've left the homeless person alone.

My SO is much more important than a homeless, mentally unstable stranger.
 

SacrosanctFiend

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You are entitled to your feelings as he is to his. There really is no right or wrong in this situation.
 

brigden

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Personally, I think your fiancee did the wrong thing, regardless of whether he thought she deserved help. He should have apologized profusely.
 

hg321

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I might have been a little irked but at least you are not with some a$$hole....only a good person would help someone like that
 

imported_Tomato

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Originally posted by: KingNothing
Seriously, you should know better.

That's what I kept saying. He insisted, "Nothing happened, everything was fine, she was a harmless 65-year-old woman"... but still, you never know. I was concerned about his safety too, and when he came back he brushed it off as "being overly influenced by our culture of fear".
 

Mandos

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Theres nothing to be pissed about. Your fiance is a person who wants to try and be a good citizen, and you didnt want to. You arent bad because you wanted to be safe. He isnt bad because he wanted to help someone other than himself. No faults here. Dont whine about this, you chose him FOR THIS REASON, hopefully. He seems like a standup kinda guy
 

imported_Tomato

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Originally posted by: illustri
He was right, old crazy woman was wrong. Leave it at that and have makeup sex.

Heh. I feel a little better getting it all out... I'm glad nothing happened, but I hope this doesn't happen too often.
 

imported_Tomato

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Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
Why do you feel the need to post things that happen in your life to complete strangers?

Maybe that's why girls like assholes, yours obviouly isn't one and you've not only gotten into a fight about it, you've made it public affair on a board that he visits. I applaud your tact.

He knows I'm posting this, he's right next to me. He was curious to see if anyone would see it from his side. Besides, there are people I consider friends here and it's always good to hear their opinion.
 

mobobuff

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Originally posted by: Tremulant
I would've left the homeless person alone.

My SO is much more important than a homeless, mentally unstable stranger.

Gonna hafta agree with this one.
 

UglyCasanova

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Be glad you got him. She may have been a racists and mentally unstable, but she is a homeless 65 year old woman as well. Don't fault him for trying to show a little kindness.
 

imported_Tomato

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Originally posted by: hg321
I might have been a little irked but at least you are not with some a$$hole....only a good person would help someone like that

He is a good guy with a good heart, but I think he could've used better judgment in this case. :\
 

KingNothing

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Originally posted by: Tomato
Originally posted by: KingNothing
Seriously, you should know better.

That's what I kept saying. He insisted, "Nothing happened, everything was fine, she was a harmless 65-year-old woman"... but still, you never know. I was concerned about his safety too, and when he came back he brushed it off as "being overly influenced by our culture of fear".

I was actually referring to the lack of cliff notes. ;)

Based on your story alone, it was very rude for him to leave you at the restaurant alone. However, if you were being obnoxious and stubborn about not going, then you should've just gone with him.
 

imported_Tomato

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Originally posted by: UglyCasanova
Be glad you got him. She may have been a racists and mentally unstable, but she is a homeless 65 year old woman as well. Don't fault him for trying to show a little kindness.

You're right, I can't. I overreacted in the beginning because I was upset he left me and that he potentially put himself in danger, but... everything's okay now, and I guess there really is nobody to blame.

Thanks again to all for the input, your perspectives are much appreciated.
 

bozik

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Originally posted by: Tomato
Honestly, I didn't not feel completely comfortable with the situation, and asked my fiance to please let her wait for her cab (the restaurant had called a cab for her) and for us to go. He ignored me, took the woman's bags to our car (my car), and drove away.

Please tell me he told you what he was doing. I mean - the image I get is him picking up the bags - escorting her to the car and driving away with your arms in the air. Come on - that is absolutely the wrong thing to do. imo I say he needs to not be so quick to jump the gun without consulting you - you guys are going to be a team - might as well start soon.
 

imported_Tomato

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Originally posted by: KingNothing
Originally posted by: Tomato
Originally posted by: KingNothing
Seriously, you should know better.

That's what I kept saying. He insisted, "Nothing happened, everything was fine, she was a harmless 65-year-old woman"... but still, you never know. I was concerned about his safety too, and when he came back he brushed it off as "being overly influenced by our culture of fear".

I was actually referring to the lack of cliff notes. ;)

Based on your story alone, it was very rude for him to leave you at the restaurant alone. However, if you were being obnoxious and stubborn about not going, then you should've just gone with him.

Doh! :p Fixed. :)

To be fair, he didn't rush off and leave me, I told him I felt uncomfortable and that I was going to stay at the restaurant. I also said I would feel better about things if he didn't go, but he did choose to do so.
 

eakers

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I think he should have respected your wishes... and not picking up his cell phone while you sit there and imagine the worst? wtf?

its not like she didn't have a cab called for her, if he felt so bad he could have paid for the cab or something.

family first.
 

KingNothing

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Originally posted by: Tomato
Originally posted by: KingNothing
Originally posted by: Tomato
Originally posted by: KingNothing
Seriously, you should know better.

That's what I kept saying. He insisted, "Nothing happened, everything was fine, she was a harmless 65-year-old woman"... but still, you never know. I was concerned about his safety too, and when he came back he brushed it off as "being overly influenced by our culture of fear".

I was actually referring to the lack of cliff notes. ;)

Based on your story alone, it was very rude for him to leave you at the restaurant alone. However, if you were being obnoxious and stubborn about not going, then you should've just gone with him.

Doh! :p Fixed. :)

To be fair, he didn't rush off and leave me, I told him I felt uncomfortable and that I was going to stay at the restaurant. I also said I would feel better about things if he didn't go, but he did choose to do so.

1) That's much less dramatic than your OP made things out to be

2) You still should've gone with him.

Glad we of ATOT could help.
 

Yossarian

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he took your car without your permission, leaving you stranded at a restaurant for half an hour, and thought that was the "right thing to do". what a dick. have a fun life together tho ;)