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who was a better president George W Bush vs Barack Obama

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Who was the better president?

  • W. Bush

  • Obama

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Svnla said:
Last time I check, GWB is NOT running for re-election, BO is. Might as well to compare Carter to Obama.
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The guy who is running hasn't said anything much about what he'll do, except what GWB did but with more magic and even less reality.
 
Jaskalas said:
What actions did he take that 'screwed it up'?
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The same question I ask to every person who blames the economy on Bush.
He's only failing was he trusted people to know what they were doing with their own money.
Regulations = No trust in people to make educated choices.
Deregulation = Trust.
Bush was way too trusting of the typical American citizen. In the end we all proved to him we can’t balance a checkbook and has zero understanding of a budget.
 
Tom said:
The guy who is running hasn't said anything much about what he'll do, except what GWB did but with more magic and even less reality.
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But surely this time it'll work! Just have to believe and the markets will lovingly take care of the rest.
 
jackstar7 said:
It's what I believe they call a leading indicator.

And it also brought value back to a lot of 401Ks that were previously in the tank.

But I suppose if you want this all to be bad news... then it is.
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Obama is all about paying off all the Wall Street fat cats, taking money from the tax payers and and injecting it into Wall Street.
 
IamDavid said:
The same question I ask to every person who blames the economy on Bush.
He's only failing was he trusted people to know what they were doing with their own money.
Regulations = No trust in people to make educated choices.
Deregulation = Trust.
Bush was way too trusting of the typical American citizen. In the end we all proved to him we can’t balance a checkbook and has zero understanding of a budget.
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In other words, Bush was an idiot. He allowed the continuation of deregulation that was put in place to stop another great depression. He left us with none of the normal controls for a recession except to spend our way out of it; apparently, he assumed we finally figured this economy thing out completely and there would never be another down turn ever. He cut taxes while times were good further adding to the bubble. Wasted trillions of dollars in a useless war of aggression. Not to mention all the innumerable other terrible policies he implemented that didn't directly wreck us when the recession hit but were awful all the same. To simply say he was too naive is giving him FAR too much credit.
 
AyashiKaibutsu said:
But surely this time it'll work! Just have to believe and the markets will lovingly take care of the rest.
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Both concepts of a wise selfless bureaucracy and kindly corporate boards just waiting for an opportunity to cut profits to bring jobs to America are so outdated and false it's ridiculous, but that's the choices we are given.

None of it is worth crap, and that's what either candidate will bring to the table and to our plates.

The faster people realize that the only interests that either government or corporations is profit and power the faster people will realize how high that steaming plateful is. When enough people realize just how screwed we are perhaps, just perhaps, they'll stop reaching for their canned ideology and demand accountability for all in office, not just a party they don't like.

People talk about Islamacists being indoctrinated? Hell, we have our own equivalent, which makes either the market or Obama into demigods who rightfully have dominion over us and by being owned we shall be free.

That's as ridiculous as any religious dogma.
 
Bush was a failure, but at least he wasn't a failure AND tried to turn the US into a socialist state and apologist to Islamic extremists.
 
Conscript said:
Bush was a failure, but at least he wasn't a failure AND tried to turn the US into a socialist state and apologist to Islamic extremists.
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Why is socialism so bad anyways? We've obviously proven that capitalism doesn't work.
 
prism said:
Why is socialism so bad anyways? We've obviously proven that capitalism doesn't work.
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Is it working well in Europe? Where is your model of success, I'm all ears. In the meantime I'd like to stick to the 200+ year path that put us at the top of the food chain. The problem is we've diverge from that path. Capitalism doesn't work with safety nets and bailouts and incentives for laziness and ineptitude. Some both of the last two presidencies are guilty of. Capitalism works fine if its unobstructed.
 
Svnla said:
Perfect example between socialist and capitalist = North vs. South Korea.
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North Korea isn't socialist, it's an authoritarian dictatorship.
Red China; authoritarian oligarchy. Soviet Russia was the same.
Just because a country claims to be "socialist" doesn't mean it is.

The most "socialist" country I can think of is probably Sweden.
 
I don't remember exactly how I felt about Bush at this time during his first term but I'm gonna guess it was about the same as Obama. It really wasn't until this time in his second term that he had gone full retard.

On a scale of 1-10 though I'd say that both of them were below 5 and that's really telling. Neither was ever a good president.
 
randomrogue said:
I don't remember exactly how I felt about Bush at this time during his first term but I'm gonna guess it was about the same as Obama. It really wasn't until this time in his second term that he had gone full retard.

On a scale of 1-10 though I'd say that both of them were below 5 and that's really telling. Neither was ever a good president.
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Thats what many have been saying but retarded partisan hacks dont understand this
 
Conscript said:
Is it working well in Europe? Where is your model of success, I'm all ears. In the meantime I'd like to stick to the 200+ year path that put us at the top of the food chain. The problem is we've diverge from that path. Capitalism doesn't work with safety nets and bailouts and incentives for laziness and ineptitude. Some both of the last two presidencies are guilty of. Capitalism works fine if its unobstructed.
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Many Europeans have a higher standard of living than Americans. Depends on the country.

I know that I live in a top 10 country right now (the USA is 13th right now and dropping) and it's definitely better than the three states and about 8 cities that I've lived in the USA. Is it a lot better? No, of course not. However it's better, and obviously so, and I personally find that the gap is widening. Really, the only thing that America has going for it is high salaries and really cheap goods. Probably due to taxes and tariffs but when it comes to buying toys it's way better at home.

Really ask yourself what you need in life and if it's getting better, getting worse, and if you know of a place that does it better. Housing, Education, Health, Safety, Cost of Living, Quality of food, Environment, etc.

The USA is going down the wrong path. It's hard to admit but sooner or later everyone is going to have to if it's ever going to get fixed.
 
CrackRabbit said:
North Korea isn't socialist, it's an authoritarian dictatorship.
Red China; authoritarian oligarchy. Soviet Russia was the same.
Just because a country claims to be "socialist" doesn't mean it is.

The most "socialist" country I can think of is probably Sweden.
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This. All the close-minded flag-wavers equate socialism to the most horrible quasi-examples of it. Can't believe this still needs to be explained in an era where information is incredibly accessible. These are the same people that kept GWB in office for 8 years because they lack basic reasoning skills.
 
Incorruptible said:
We have proved that CRONY CAPITALISM/CORPORATISM doesn't work
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Which is the inevitable nature of Capitalism, same reason we can't have communism, because humans will always steal the "free" rolls of toilet paper and sooner or later the toilets themselves if not bolted down in a public restroom if you leave it sitting out in the commons.



Until we get beyond these silly terms and look at why people are so selfish socioeconomically and be better citizens on a personal level a species we will never have "nice stuff" in politics/economics.

Keep dreaming comrade.
 
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