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"The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it comes strong than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism - ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. "
Franklin D. Roosevelt



 

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gigaIDIOT - Lincoln was long dead before the Federal Reserve Act was passed. He couldn't be refering to it in the piece you quoted.

His government passed the system found here:

National Bank Act

It had dual purposes - making one currency instead of multiple currencies from multiple banks and financing the Civil War.

Michael
 

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Originally posted by: gigapet

howm uch clearer do u need it. I've reduced it to three sentences.
It's very clear to me but apparently as clear as mud to you.

 

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Banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies. -
Thomas Jefferson


I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
Thomas Jefferson

"I place economy among the first and most important of republic virtues, and public debt as the greatest of the dangers to be feared." -Thomas Jefferson to William Plumer, 1816

"No legislative act contrary to the Constitution can be valid. To deny this would be to affirm that the deputy is greater than his principal; that the servant is above his master; that the representative of the people is superior to the people." - Alexander Hamilton, Federalist Paper No. 78.


"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage." Alexander Tyler (When the thirteen colonies were still a part of England, Professor Alexander Tyler wrote about the fall of the Athenian republic over two thousand years previous to that time)



 

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Originally posted by: Michael
gigaIDIOT - Lincoln was long dead before the Federal Reserve Act was passed. He couldn't be refering to it in the piece you quoted.

His government passed the system found here:

National Bank Act

It had dual purposes - making one currency instead of multiple currencies from multiple banks and financing the Civil War.

Michael

no sh!t he was dead what does that have to do with anything. His concepts still existed though. And he knew the dangers of allowing anyone other than the government to be in control of the money. Yeah yeah congress controls the fed.....sure and we all know politicians never get their pockets lined by those who want something........
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you still havent told me why you object if it is the same if the governemtn controls the system or not
 

Michael

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gigaIDIOT - What do random quotes taken out of context and most proving the point that we, not you, are making have to do with the discussion?

It may be the first time in internet history, but maybe you can just admit you're wrong. Failing that, just stop posting on a subject you know next to nothing about.

Again - the government already controls the creation of money through the fed. So let us say we moved it directly to the Treasury department. You already said you think the government is corrupt. So you want to move monetary policy from a semi-independent board directly to the corrupt government? Sounds as brilliant as your other suggestions.

Michael
 

gigapet

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Originally posted by: Michael
gigaIDIOT - What do random quotes taken out of context and most proving the point that we, not you, are making have to do with the discussion?

It may be the first time in internet history, but maybe you can just admit you're wrong. Failing that, just stop posting on a subject you know next to nothing about.

Again - the government already controls the creation of money through the fed. So let us say we moved it directly to the Treasury department. You already said you think the government is corrupt. So you want to move monetary policy from a semi-independent board directly to the corrupt government? Sounds as brilliant as your other suggestions.

Michael


Besides simply stating i am wrong and you are right because you work in finance you've made little or no points...I am not sure what I'm wrong about cuz i've given you your banking policies and said ok fine if they are a scam or not whatever but regardless I'm not really gonna budge on the fed and the issuing of money. You claim there is no difference between what i want regarding that and what actually exists now. If this is the case then what are we arguing about you should be more than willing to restore full control to the government
 

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Again - the government already controls the creation of money through the fed. So let us say we moved it directly to the Treasury department. You already said you think the government is corrupt. So you want to move monetary policy from a semi-independent board directly to the corrupt government? Sounds as brilliant as your other suggestions.

Michael

No they dont, they "supposedly" do because they have a meeting and vote that constitutes government control.....hardly. You would believe everything told to you as long as the person had PHD after there name. There would be less opportunity for corruption if it was absorbed by the government assumming that there were acceptable individuals running the governement but thats a whole other thread
 

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The government, which was designed for the people, has got into the hands of the bosses and their employers, the special interests. An invisible empire has been set up above the forms of democracy.
Woodrow Wilson


"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes."

Benjamin Disraeli, first Prime Minister of England, in a novel he published in 1844 called "Coningsby, the New Generation"


"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes."

Benjamin Disraeli, first Prime Minister of England, in a novel he published in 1844 called "Coningsby, the New Generation"





"The governments of the present day have to deal not merely with other governments, with emperors, kings and ministers, but also with the secret societies which have everywhere their unscrupulous agents, and can at the last moment upset all the governments' plans. "

British Prime Ministers Benjamin Disraeli, 1876



"Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the Field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it."

Woodrow Wilson The New Freedom. (1913)

"In March, 1915, the J.P. Morgan interests, the steel, shipbuilding, and powder interest, and their subsidiary organizations, got together 12 men high up in the newspaper world and employed them to select the most influential newspapers in the United States and sufficient number of them to control generally the policy of the daily press....They found it was only necessary to purchase the control of 25 of the greatest papers.

An agreement was reached; the policy of the papers was bought, to be paid for by the month; an editor was furnished for each paper to properly supervise and edit information regarding the questions of preparedness, militarism, financial policies, and other things of national and international nature considered vital to the interests of the purchasers.

U.S. Congressman Oscar Callaway, 1917


"The real menace of our republic is this invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy length over city, state and nation. Like the octopus of real life, it operates under cover of a self created screen....At the head of this octopus are the Rockefeller Standard Oil interests and a small group of powerful banking houses generally referred to as international bankers. The little coterie of powerful international bankers virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes. They practically control both political parties."

New York City Mayor John F. Hylan, 1922


"From the days of Sparticus, Wieskhopf, Karl Marx, Trotsky, Rosa Luxemberg, and Emma Goldman, this world conspiracy has been steadily growing. This conspiracy played a definite recognizable role in the tragedy of the French revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th century. And now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their head and have become the undisputed masters of that enormous empire."

Winston Churchill, stated to the London Press, in l922.


For a long time I felt that FDR had developed many thoughts and ideas that were his own to benefit this country, the United States. But, he didn't. Most of his thoughts, his political ammunition, as it were, were carefully manufactured for him in advanced by the Council on Foreign RelationsOne World Money group.. Brilliantly, with great gusto, like a fine piece of artillery, he exploded that prepared "ammunition" in the middle of an unsuspecting target, the American people, and thus paid off and returned his internationalist political support."

"The UN is but a longrange, internationalbanking apparatus nearly set up for financial and economic profit by a small group of powerful OneWorld Revolutionaries, hungry for profit and power."

"The depression was the calculated 'shearing' of the public by the WorldMoney powers, triggered by the planned sudden shortage of supply of call money in the New York money market......The OneWorld Government leaders and their everclose bankers have now acquired full control of the money and credit machinery of the U.S. via the creation of the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank."

Curtis Dall, FDR's sonin law as quoted in his book, My Exploited FatherinLaw


"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the Government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson."

A letter written by FDR to Colonel House, November 21st, l933


"The real rulers in Washington are invisible, and exercise power from behind the scenes.

Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter, 1952




"Fifty men have run America, and that's a high figure."

Joseph Kennedy, father of JFK, in the July 26th, l936 issue of The New York Times.



"We shall have world government whether or not you like it by conquest or consent."

Statement by Council on Foreign Relations member James Warburg to The Senate Foreign Relations Committee on February 17th, l950
the same warburg name that served on the first board of the FEDERAL RESERVE



"Today the path of total dictatorship in the United States can be laid by strictly legal means, unseen and unheard by the Congress, the President, or the people. Outwardly we have a Constitutional government. We have operating within our government and political system, another body representing another form of government a bureaucratic elite.

Senator William Jenner, 1954



"The case for government by elites is irrefutable"

Senator William Fulbright, Former chairman of the US Senate Foreign Relations Committee, stated at a 1963 symposium entitled: The Elite and the Electorate Is Government by the People Possible?


"The Council on Foreign Relations is "the establishment." Not only does it have influence and power in key decisionmaking positions at the highest levels of government to apply pressure from above, but it also announces and uses individuals and groups to bring pressure from below, to justify the high level decisions for converting the U.S. from a sovereign Constitutional Republic into a servile member state of a one world dictatorship."

Former Congressman John Rarick 1971


"The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control...Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent."

Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976


"We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had not subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries.

David Rockefeller, founder of the Trilateral Commission, in an address to a meeting of The Trilateral Commission, in June, 1991.


"In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn't such a great idea after all."

Strobe Talbot, Clinton's Deputy Secretary of State, as quoted in Time, July 20th, l992.








I can read your response now.........those quotes are irrelevant.

Ok your in a position to call varous world leaders through out the last century irrelevant. Heck they are prolly just idiots like me right?




 

Michael

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gigapet - actually, all I need to know now is exactly where you are so I can send the Black Helicopters and the Black Vans over to get you. It is obvious that you know too much and must be stopped.

Michael
 

gigapet

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Originally posted by: Michael
gigapet - actually, all I need to know now is exactly where you are so I can send the Black Helicopters and the Black Vans over to get you. It is obvious that you know too much and must be stopped.

Michael

likely response.....


Those quotes are from bumbling idiots who never held positions of power......what do they know .....bunch of idiots......
 

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Originally posted by: Michael
gigapet - actually, all I need to know now is exactly where you are so I can send the Black Helicopters and the Black Vans over to get you. It is obvious that you know too much and must be stopped.

Michael

Oh no. This guy is a Trilateral/Bilderberger/Illuminati freak. Member of the JBS and reads the New American I bet. gigapet- Any credibility that you had(not much) is even less now.
 

gigapet

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Originally posted by: Millennium
Originally posted by: Michael
gigapet - actually, all I need to know now is exactly where you are so I can send the Black Helicopters and the Black Vans over to get you. It is obvious that you know too much and must be stopped.

Michael

Oh no. This guy is a Trilateral/Bilderberger/Illuminati freak. Member of the JBS and reads the New American I bet. gigapet- Any credibility that you had(not much) is even less now.

I find it increasingly amazing how so many people can laugh at the truth even as it stares them in the face......i live and die by my credibility on the internet especially anandtech I'll surely never sleep again

ON another note what this country needs is another WAR!!!:D
 

gigapet

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Quotations

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On the private control over creation of debt-money...


Sir Josiah Stamp, director of the Bank of England
Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The Bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough money to buy it back again. However, take this power away from them and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear, and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. ... But if you wish to remain the slaves of Bankers, and pay the cost of your own enslavement, then let the bankers continue to create money and control credit.
from a talk in the late 1920's at the University of Texas



Robert H. Hemphill, Credit Manager of Federal Reserve Bank, Atlanta, Georgia
This is a staggering thought. We are completely dependent on the commercial Banks. Someone has to borrow every dollar we have in circulation, cash or credit. If the Banks create ample synthetic money we are prosperous; if not, we starve. We are absolutely without a permanent money system. When one gets a complete grasp of the picture, the tragic absurdity of our hopeless position is almost incredible, but there it is. It is the most important subject intelligent persons can investigate and reflect upon. It is so important that our present civilization may collapse unless it becomes widely understood and the defects remedied very soon.



Leon N. Tolstoy
Money is a new form of slavery, and distinguishable from the old simply by the fact that it is impersonal --- that there is no human relations between master and slave.



Mayer Amschel Rothschild
Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who makes its laws.



John Kenneth Galbraith [emminent economist], 1975.
The process by which banks create money is so simple that the mind is repelled. Where something so important is involved, a deeper mystery seems only decent.


John Adams, second President (1797-1801) of the U.S.A.
All the perplexities, confusion and distress in America arise, not from defects in their Constitution or Confederation, not from want of honor or virtue, so much as from the downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit and circulation.


John Adams, second President (1797-1801) of the U.S.A.
History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and its issuance.


Thomas Jefferson, third President (1801-1809) of the U.S.A.
If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks...will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered.... The issuing power of money should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.


Thomas Jefferson, third President (1801-1809) of the U.S.A.
A private central bank issuing the public currency is a greater menace to the liberties of the people than a standing army.


James Madison, fourth President (1809-1817) of the U.S.A.
History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and its issuance.


Andrew Jackson, seventh President (1829-1837) of the U.S.A.
If congress has the right under the Constitution to issue paper money, it was given them to use themselves, not to be delegated to individuals or corporations.


James A. Garfield, twentieth President (1881) of the U.S.A.
Whoever controls the volume of money in any country is the absolute master of all industry and commerce.


Woodrow Wilson, twenty-Eighth President (1913-1921) of the U.S.A., a few years after signing the 1913 Federal Reserve Act
I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.




Some more idiots for you to disregard.........there message is crystal clear but please dont listen it will make it more difficult for them to enslave u


Michael...banks dont make money do they?

Federal Reserve Bank, New York
The Story of Banks, p.5. "Because of 'fractional' reserve system, banks, as a whole, can expand our money supply several times, by making loans and investments."

by "expand our money supply" they deffinitely are saying create new money from nothing

they admit themselves

 

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U.S. Supreme Court,
Craig v. Missouri,
4 Peters 410. "Emitting bills of credit, or the creation of money by private corporations, is what is expressly forbidden by Article 1, Section 10 of the U.S. Constitution."++

Article One, Section Ten,
United States Constitution "No state shall emit bills of credit, make any thing but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts, coin money---."++

Other non experienced idiots:

Ralph M. Hawtrey,
former Secretary of Treasury,
England "Banks lend by creating credit. They create the means of payment out of nothing."++

Rt. Hon. Reginald McKenna, former
Chancellor of Exchequer, England "Those who create and issue money and credit direct the policies of government and hold in the hollow of their hands the destiny of the people."++

Andrew Jackson: To delegation of
bankers discussing the
Bank Renewal Bill, 1832 "You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the eternal God, I will rout you out."



 

gigapet

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Interpret this one for me, I think he's saying i'm an idiot.....


"Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the 'hidden' confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights."

Alan Greenspan
 

LunarRay

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Gigapet,
You have presented a wealth of support for your position but, the fact remains and in my simple mind and analogy... I can't be bothered carrying a bunch of chickens to trade for pigs to trade for watermellons to get the needed vicodin to read anymore. I do enjoy and appreciate all the info you have provided. I don't consider you an idiot. I believe you to be convinced we are at the whim of the banker and his system, as am I.

 

gigapet

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Originally posted by: HJD1
Gigapet,
You have presented a wealth of support for your position but, the fact remains and in my simple mind and analogy... I can't be bothered carrying a bunch of chickens to trade for pigs to trade for watermellons to get the needed vicodin to read anymore. I do enjoy and appreciate all the info you have provided. I don't consider you an idiot. I believe you to be convinced we are at the whim of the banker and his system, as am I.


well if I've educated at least one person even the slightest bit then I'd consider my time well spent .....


p.s. I need those chickens and two busshels of wheat you owe me by tuesday or im gonna have to charge you two bullnuts as interest
 

LunarRay

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Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: HJD1
Gigapet,
You have presented a wealth of support for your position but, the fact remains and in my simple mind and analogy... I can't be bothered carrying a bunch of chickens to trade for pigs to trade for watermellons to get the needed vicodin to read anymore. I do enjoy and appreciate all the info you have provided. I don't consider you an idiot. I believe you to be convinced we are at the whim of the banker and his system, as am I.


well if I've educated at least one person even the slightest bit then I'd consider my time well spent .....


p.s. I need those chickens and two busshels of wheat you owe me by tuesday or im gonna have to charge you two bullnuts as interest

:D

Well... I am more educated then I was.... and all the better for it. I love history. I'll ask MoonBeam if he'll round up those chickens for you... he owes me a bottle of sherry... the bullnuts are Elsie's issue at the moment and she'd not likely give them up any time soon.:)
 

gigapet

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I'm rather surprised I was actually expecting like michael plus 10 others to sh!t on me today......i came out cleaner than i expected
i'm just a winner all around today
 

LunarRay

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I use the ladder to climb above my reach, not the backs of others!
I used to golf alot when I was younger and in good health. I noticed one continuing phenomon that bugged me. It was; at the tee box on the first tee among the very first things out of the foursome (unkown to each other) was: "so what do you do". I took that to mean lets measure our thingies. I always said something like "I'm a gas station attendent or I work as a food handler at McDonald's" I would then kick back and enjoy the conversation as the ego of the others would fill the course. I always went as a single so I could enjoy this as well as the golf. If I would play a better game on the course my playing partners would become edgy and at times angry. It was at this point I would produce the needle. Say things like "was that a good shot? I am gonna take lessons soon. Just started golf, got this set for my birthday." just to try and let them feel what they did to others. Some times they were better, but, I was a beginner and they should do better... you get the drift, I'm sure.
In things financial there really is opinion predicated on all sorts of things as on things economical. I just love it when opinion becomes obvious fact. Makes for another round of golf at the computer, but alas even that has lost its appeal.:D