who vs whom?

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
You use 'who' as the subject of a verb, or on the other side of the equals verb 'to be' Who wrote this book or Who is he, or He is who?

You use Whom when Whom is the direct orindirect object or a predicate of a preposition. You hit whom? Give the book to whom, for whom the bell tolls, etc.

And don't forget, when somebody says, Who is it?, you answer, It is I, not it's me.

Ok. I thinks me got it. ahhh.... lets see... subject of the verb or... the other side of the.... OK. So far... oh wait. whats a verb?

 

[Hubris]

Originally posted by: TheOmegaCode

Originally posted by: CTho9305
I use whom whenever the answer could be "him" or "her" instead of "he" or "she", because I speak English and not Stoopid.

If you are trying to choose between "I" and "me" when there are multiple people (e.g. TheOmegaCode and ___ understand grammar), just drop the other people (___ understand grammar) and fill in the one that makes sense. I understand grammar.

Heh, I love how you included me in your example... You also touch on a very interesting, yet topical, point. I was just looking through a "prom picture" thread (which will remain nameless) and there were an awful lot of "so-and-so and I" captions. I don't know why, but that always gets under my skin...

Yeah, that's one of my pet peeves, too. I hate it when people use those incorrectly. Makes me want to smack them.

I really didn't get (or care to get) who vs. whom until I took Latin last semester, and then it all made perfect sense. Turns out I had picked up the correct usage by osmosis from my mother, but now I actually know that it's the right form.

 

[Moonbeam]

Speaking of what's a verb, I can't remember what they call the thing that follows is. "I am a monkey's uncle." I wanted to call monkey's uncle a predicate, but that's not right, It's not a direct object or an indirect object cause it's the verb 'to be'. Isn't there a name I'm forgetting?

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Speaking of what's a verb, I can't remember what they call the thing that follows is. "I am a monkey's uncle." I wanted to call monkey's uncle a predicate, but that's not right, It's not a direct object or an indirect object cause it's the verb 'to be'. Isn't there a name I'm forgetting?

Every complete sentence contains two parts: a subject and a predicate. The subject is what (or whom) the sentence is about, while the predicate tells something about the subject. In your example "I" is the subject and "Monkey's uncle" would be the predicate. I suggest this because the sentence is not about the "M U" but about you (I).

edit: there are intran and transi verbs... "am" is an intransigent verb... but, your quote is complete as it stands. Me opines.

 

[Moonbeam]

You are right HJ. I wanted with all my being to say predicate, but for some reason I doubted myself and checked the dictionary on line. Oddly I got the impression a predicate is the object of a preposition whereas checking again I can't find that but see clearly that it was what I originally thought. The predicate apparently includes the verb, so 'am a monkey's uncle' is the predicate. Now I'll sleep tonight.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: TallBill
Always use who.. if you use whom you are pompous... if you honestly say "to whom does this belong" then you are a fruitbag.

Ah! Living proof of the failure of our educational system. At least that explains why George Bush-Lite, who is an illiterate moron, and for whom I have no respect, can get elected. :disgust:

 

[Ciber]

I cant picture myself saying "It is I" when i knock on someone's door.

 

[rh71]

<-- COM Major.

I don't know the difference nor care to, simply because many of you will not either.

 

[Hubris]

Originally posted by: rh71
<-- COM Major.

I don't know the difference nor care to, simply because many of you will not either.

Way to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: Hubris

Originally posted by: rh71
<-- COM Major.

I don't know the difference nor care to, simply because many of you will not either.

Way to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

Listen, I'm as anal as they come when you're talking about grammar and spelling... but you know what? Who vs. Whom... only literary scholars would care.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: GeneValgene

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
who did that..?


Whomever shot my nigg@ yesterday is gonna geta a cap in der ass!

actually 'whomever' should be nominative. therefore, you would use 'whoever' in this case:

Whoever shot my nigg@ yesterday is gonna geta a cap in der ass!

THat'S iT ! WE iS TighT Now Bro!

 

[dighn]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: Hubris

Originally posted by: rh71
<-- COM Major.

I don't know the difference nor care to, simply because many of you will not either.

Way to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

Listen, I'm as anal as they come when you're talking about grammar and spelling... but you know what? Who vs. Whom... only literary scholars would care.

ditto

no many people use them correctly. languages are not static so maybe "whom" will eventually be phased out. in fact it probably is already phased out in spoken english.

 

[DrPizza]

We don't see the word "ain't" in these forums very often. But, were they inclined to, those people in population pockets where "ain't" is common would have the same argument about "ain't vs. isn't" that we're having about "who vs. whom." Just as their arguments wouldn't make "ain't" correct or accepted grammar, ours shouldn't decide that we can drop the whom. Nonetheless, in many cases where "whom" is correct, "who" is now acceptable.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: TallBill
Always use who.. if you use whom you are pompous... if you honestly say "to whom does this belong" then you are a fruitbag.

Ah! Living proof of the failure of our educational system. At least that explains why George Bush-Lite, who is an illiterate moron, and for whom I have no respect, can get elected. :disgust:

it has nothing to do with education. i've always learned "proper" english, but by personal choice would chuckle whenever hearing the word whom.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: TallBill
Always use who.. if you use whom you are pompous... if you honestly say "to whom does this belong" then you are a fruitbag.

Ah! Living proof of the failure of our educational system. At least that explains why George Bush-Lite, who is an illiterate moron, and for whom I have no respect, can get elected. :disgust:

it has nothing to do with education. i've always learned "proper" english, but by personal choice would chuckle whenever hearing the word whom.

You'd chuckle when hearing the word whom? In the above, "and for whom I have no respect", I'd chuckle if someone said "and for who I have no respect."

 

[Hanpan]

Bah, you should all stop complaining about who versus whom. The rules are relatively simple, and it does not make one sound pompous to speak correctly.

Besides, some languages such as German have 3 or more cases unlike the two in English.

 

[GeneValgene]

Originally posted by: HJD1

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Speaking of what's a verb, I can't remember what they call the thing that follows is. "I am a monkey's uncle." I wanted to call monkey's uncle a predicate, but that's not right, It's not a direct object or an indirect object cause it's the verb 'to be'. Isn't there a name I'm forgetting?

Every complete sentence contains two parts: a subject and a predicate. The subject is what (or whom) the sentence is about, while the predicate tells something about the subject. In your example "I" is the subject and "Monkey's uncle" would be the predicate. I suggest this because the sentence is not about the "M U" but about you (I).

edit: there are intran and transi verbs... "am" is an intransigent verb... but, your quote is complete as it stands. Me opines.

Moonbeam, i think the term you are looking for is 'predicate nominative'. so in that case, the 'monkey's uncle' would be the predicate nominative.

btw, it's not 'intransigent', but rather 'intransitive' (a verb that does not require a direct object.

 

[TallBill]

You'd chuckle when hearing the word whom? In the above, "and for whom I have no respect", I'd chuckle if someone said "and for who I have no respect."

no actually, i'd chuckle at both. who talks like that?

It just happens to be that that type of phrasing is correct for the word who.

 

[LunarRay]

GeneValgene

btw, it's not 'intransigent', but rather 'intransitive' (a verb that does not require a direct object.[/quote]

My verbs better not compromise so I calls em intransigent... Intransitive ones just go about in aimless persuit of recogintion. I don't like them very much... I am picky.

 

[zerocool1]

I learned this in german
whom answers to or for (dative case)
who is accusitive case (direct object I believe)

 

[TheOmegaCode]

Originally posted by: zerocool1
I learned this in german
whom answers to or for (dative case)
who is accusitive case (direct object I believe)

Dativ oder Nominativ

 

[Moonbeam]

zero, accusative is whom I think.