Who thinks AMD will be out of desktop CPU market by 2014?

[Axonn]

No. But they WILL be purchased by somebody in at most 24 months *grin*. RIP AMD.

 

[StinkyPinky]

There is a third wheel called Apple that is pushing Intel really hard for faster and more power efficient CPUs. Intel might still delay Ivy Bridge, but not by much (I hope!). Or release Ivy at more conservative clocks to allow later refresh and a longer road to Haswell.

Apple? What's so special about them? I imagine HP and Dell have just as much (if not more) influence on Intel than Apple.

 

[amenx]

I hope to god some huge corporation with deep pockets buys AMD (Apple, Samsung, etc) and devotes proper resources to R&D, establishes their own fabs and pays top dollar for the best engineers on the planet. At present they just cannot go against a well established, rich behemoth like Intel who will rub their nose in the dirt every time they come up with something.

 

[Rifter]

I hope to god some huge corporation with deep pockets buys AMD (Apple, Samsung, etc) and devotes proper resources to R&D, establishes their own fabs and pays top dollar for the best engineers on the planet. At present they just cannot go against a well established, rich behemoth like Intel who will rub their nose in the dirt every time they come up with something.

This would be the ideal solution.

 

[MooMooCow]

I distinctly remember this conversation back when the Phenom came out and when the HD2900 came out.

 

[Rifter]

I distinctly remember this conversation back when the Phenom came out and when the HD2900 came out.

Yeah but the thing with Phenom was the die size was not out of this world so they could lower the price to fit it into where it belonged performance wise and still make money.

With the die size of BD being this large i dont believe they can cut prices by $100 per SKU which is what they need to do to sell any, and still make a profit.

 

[Keysplayr]

There is no way AMD will be out of the desktop market, EVER.

Ever hear of 3dfx ?

I'm certain somebody way back then said, "There is no way 3dfx will be out of the graphics card market, EVER EVEr, EVer, Ever, ever... ev......." <- echo fading in the distance.



Do not mistake my pessimism for satisfaction. Not what I want to happen to AMD.

 

[Rifter]

Ever hear of 3dfx ?

I'm certain somebody way back then said, "There is no way 3dfx will be out of the graphics card market, EVER EVEr, EVer, Ever, ever... ev......." <- echo fading in the distance.



Do not mistake my pessimism for satisfaction. Not what I want to happen to AMD.

Dont get me wrong either, i didnt start this thread because i WANT amd to die, i started it because after this BD disaster i think they are either going to go under or get bought out.

The Ideal situation would have been for BD to get a home run and force Intel to actually push for a while and we would end up with better CPU's and everyone would be happy.

 

[pantsaregood]

Intel could just push back release schedule and let AMD float, kind of like what happened for years until K7 started ramping up.

Intel didn't really let AMD float so much as AMD capitalized on some opportunities. K6-II and K6-III were actually quite solid CPUs - they were quite capable of outperforming similarly clocked Intel parts at the time.

AMD systems, on the other hand, were plagued with poor chipsets and driver issues. K7 is where that changed.

AMD broke the 1.0 GHz barrier before Intel managed to, which was great marketing at the time. Intel saw that K7 was outperforming Coppermine and attempted to release a 1.13 GHz Coppermine. That Coppermine supposedly had terrible heat and stability issues.

Netburst was probably pretty far down the pipeline at this point. Throughout the early half of Netburst's life, K7 was trading blows with it. K8 was released and consistently outperformed Netburst - sometimes to huge degrees.

K8's release also prompted the release of the first Pentium 4 EEs - so called "Emergency Editions."

Intel hasn't really been guilty of being lazy since, though. They've followed their tick-tock cycle very aggressively. I can't see AMD catching a break very easily now.

 

[Dunkman04]

This will not force AMD out of the desktop CPU market, I'd imagine it's a relatively small portion of their business these days. There just aren't that many people using desktop computers these days and the trend away from desktops is destined to continue as most people just don't need that much computing power. Whether or not they see any benefit in continuing to produce desktop chips is another matter.

 

[sandorski]

The problem for AMD now is GF. This is also why just making an ARM processor would not help AMD, where would they Build it? Once that gets sorted, AMD will do well in the Server space, in the OEM Low-Mid End with its' APU's, and they might also be able to start cranking the Speed up on the BD making it more competitive.

AMD will most certainly be around in 3 years.

 

[Rifter]

AMD will most certainly be around in 3 years.

Im not saying they wont be around, ATI division aint going anywhere. Llano aint going anywhere in the mobile market. Im just concerened when Haswell hits thats going to crush AMD in the desktop market.

 

[Nemesis 1]

The biggest joke of all . The EU saying intel was slowing CPU innovation . Weres the 1 billion dollar fine for AMDS contribution for slowing innovation with this CPU.

 

[Vdubchaos]

AMD going out of business won't be good for ANYONE (including Intel).

I don't think anyone wants that.

 

[lol123]

the biggest joke of all . The eu saying intel was slowing cpu innovation . Weres the 1 billion dollar fine for amds contribution for slowing innovation with this cpu.

Lmao

 

[s44]

Will anyone even care about the desktop CPU market by 2014?

 

[Keysplayr]

Will anyone even care about the desktop CPU market by 2014?

Of course.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Tough call, but I won't be surprised if they're acquired by someone larger by then.

 

[sm625]

The problem for AMD from an OEM pov is that the sheer volume of an intel build nullifies their more expensive per chip price. Look at the pentium B940 notebooks selling for $350, or even $300 on a lucky day. On Black Friday we might even see $250 sandy bridge notebooks. So, what reason is there to buy an AMD desktop when you can get a massively mass produced intel notebook for the same price, and the damn thing will even outperform the AMD in most applications. It is possible that even intel graphics will outperform amd in the $300 segment, again due to volume. AMD needs to flat out beat intel in single thread AND multithread performance, or else it really cannot compete on price X volume. Which mean HP or DEll will not see any reason to put in a big multi-million piece order for an AMD build. So we never see huge discounts on AMD systems like we see with Intel systems once they've made their money back.

 

[Hypertag]

So can anyone answer why they didnt just do a die shrink instead, that would probably lead to better performance than this.

This is what no one can explain. Honestly, I think gluing 8 llano cores together with a minimal L3 cache would be far better and smaller than the "8 core" bulldozer.

 

[Gheris]

The market needs AMD. No AMD and guess how much you'll be paying for that Intel processor? No AMD? Watch how Intel slows innovation by taking a back seat because they are already happy with what they are offering the market. If no one is around to push Intel we will all be sorry. Competition breeds innovation.

 

[Rezist]

The market needs AMD. No AMD and guess how much you'll be paying for that Intel processor? No AMD? Watch how Intel slows innovation by taking a back seat because they are already happy with what they are offering the market. If no one is around to push Intel we will all be sorry. Competition breeds innovation.

Aside from Bobcat and Llano AMD is not pushing Intel, And it's the graphics of Llano that Intel is worried about and truthfully Atom just sucks to the point where anything was going to beat it.

 

[Arkaign]

Will anyone even care about the desktop CPU market by 2014?

Definitely. Desktops always offer the best value and best performance for those that need it. They're also less vulnerable to theft or damage compared to mobile devices. At this time, mobile devices complement desktops for the most part rather than directly replacing them wholesale. I do know businesses that do run on mostly laptops, but they aren't the majority.

 

[Vic Vega]

There is a third wheel called Apple that is pushing Intel really hard for faster and more power efficient CPUs. Intel might still delay Ivy Bridge, but not by much (I hope!). Or release Ivy at more conservative clocks to allow later refresh and a longer road to Haswell.

I don't think Apple has the volume of CPU sales to push Intel to do anything.

For every low power CPU Apples sells HP sells 10.

 

[AnandThenMan]

I don't think Apple has the volume of CPU sales to push Intel to do anything.

For every low power CPU Apples sells HP sells 10.

Intel will do almost anything to satisfy Apple. Not because of volumes, but because of image. If for example AMD somehow became an exclusive supplier of processors for Apple, the optics of that would be very hurtful to Intel. Love it or hate it, Apple is seen by many as god-like.