Demon-Xanth
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Funny, that's about the same price as a Lingenfelter GMC C3 Sierra that can outrun Corvettes (until you get to the end of the staight) 
- Mar 20, 2000
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<< The RX300 is based on the Toyota Camry, not a minivan. The Acura MDX sport-ute is based on the Honda Odyssey minivan.
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You're not gonna haul lumber in that POS small cargo area with its in place toneau cover. >>
a minivan is an enlargened wagon body originally built on a front-drive sedan platform, which is exactly what all these front-drive "SUVs" are. so the rx300 stands as a minivan. as does the mdx. and i really can't decide which is uglier.
and i think anyone buying a $54,000 truck can space a few $$s to buy a trailer to haul stuff in for the rare occassion that that functionality is used.
"and i think anyone buying a $54,000 truck can space a few $$s to buy a trailer to haul stuff in for the rare occassion that that functionality is used."
I would think there are more times than not when you need to put an item more than 8" tall in your vehicle. Certainly a trailer does not make sense to take to the grocery store.
I would think there are more times than not when you need to put an item more than 8" tall in your vehicle. Certainly a trailer does not make sense to take to the grocery store.
I drove this mofo when my dad was doing transmission programming, this truck kicks a$$ and its worth the hefty price tag.
- Mar 20, 2000
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i bet the bed is taller than 8". i'm pretty sure ford wouldn't make it completely unusable. last i checked the depth on my friend's truck was larger than that, and you have to remember this is just a dressed up f150 supercrew. i'm sure the depth of the bed is the same.
- Oct 9, 1999
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<< a minivan is an enlargened wagon body originally built on a front-drive sedan platform, which is exactly what all these front-drive "SUVs" are. so the rx300 stands as a minivan. as does the mdx. and i really can't decide which is uglier. >>
I think that you need to recheck your defintion of minivan because it is DEAD wrong when applied to these vehicles. Heck this definition isn't even right for 90% of the minvans out there. Very few minivans are based on car platforms. Most use their own platform. The only car based minivan that comes to mind is the Toyota Sienna. Minivans typically use their OWN platform b/c of the sheer size of the vehicles and the different engines/drivetrains that they use (Windstar, Caravan, Odyssey, etc). Also, not many passenger cars use twist beam rear suspensions that normally come on minivans (Caravan, Windstar, etc.). And with the exception of the Dodge Caravan and Chrysler Town and Country, most minivans don't comes with an AWD option. And the Ford Aerostar isn't built on a front-wheel drive sedan platform b/c it RWD...DUH! Remember, not all minivans are FWD or even based on cars.
As for the Highlander and RX300 (basically the same vehicles), they ARE based on the Toyota Camry and are classified as SUV's, not minivans. If you look up a catalog of the current minivans on the market, the RX300 won't show up ANYWHERE. Anyway, You can get them front-wheel drive or with 4WD. They are NOT minivans in any sense of the word.
The Acura MDX however does use the Honda Odyssey minivan as a starting point and goes from there.
By your definition, the Ford Escape, Mazda Tribute, Toyota RAV4, Honda CRV, Hyundai Sante Fe, and various other car-based sport-utes are "minvans" which is dead wrong. All can be had with 4WD and NONE are as large as a minivan nor do they have nearly the amount of cargo space attributed to minivans.
These above mentioned SUV's are called car-based SUV's, not car-based minivans, or minivan-based SUV's. They all have increased ground clearance, and 4WD drivetrains. They also don't come with twist beam suspensions or sliding doors.
In conclusion, and to show the error in your definition, a vehicle fitting your above definition would be the Toyota Sienna b/c it is a wagon body built on a front-wheel drive sedan platform and has all of the features associated with a minivan. A minivan-based SUV would be the Acura MDX. In a sense, if you wanted to call any of these SUV's a minivan, the MDX would come closest. I don't know where you got that definition, but it needs to be thrown in the trash.
Besides, I'd like you to tell Windogg that his BMW X5 is a minivan seeing that it is car-based and has an "enlarged" body
I can't believe this is the caption to that picture:
[/i]"Lincoln does not refer to its $50,000-plus Blackwood as a pickup. The automaker prefers the term luxury-utility vehicle."[/i]
Click that link, scroll down to the small picture of the vehicle. That is a goddamned truck if I ever saw one. Granted, it's not a very GOOD truck, but it's a truck nonetheless.
[/i]"Lincoln does not refer to its $50,000-plus Blackwood as a pickup. The automaker prefers the term luxury-utility vehicle."[/i]
Click that link, scroll down to the small picture of the vehicle. That is a goddamned truck if I ever saw one. Granted, it's not a very GOOD truck, but it's a truck nonetheless.
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the original minivan, by iacocca's chrysler, was an enlargened wagon body built on the k-car. unless i watched those discovery channel auto shows completely wrong. if this defnition can't fit, what really differentiates a minivan from a sport-ute then? "you know it when you see it" isn't a definition. it can't be the sliding doors, the original honda oddysey had regular doors. its not FWD because of the aerostar (which could actually be argued is more mini-van than minivan). maybe its an attitude thing, but that gets pretty close to the "know it when you see it" and the M-class has no attitude. and perhaps mini-utes need their own definition?
ps: last i checked bmw didn't have an FWD platform (well, theres the mini, but that doesn't count), so windogg's X5 would not count as a minivan under the earlier definition anyway. X5 definitely has attitude
ps: last i checked bmw didn't have an FWD platform (well, theres the mini, but that doesn't count), so windogg's X5 would not count as a minivan under the earlier definition anyway. X5 definitely has attitude
<< Fix Or Repair Daily >>
i aggre!!
Last year, we bought a Ford Expedition, and lately, when we take our foot off the accelerator, we hear a whistling
soo.....
we took it into the repair shop, and after looking at it for two weeks, and even bringing in Ford's cheif field engineer, they told us it was a normal thing,
a.k.a.--> we have no fvcking idea what the he!!'s wrong with ur car, so we'll just say it's normal.
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<< the original minivan, by iacocca's chrysler, was an enlargened wagon body built on the k-car. unless i watched those discovery channel auto shows completely wrong. >>
Yes, the original Chrysler "minivan" was based on the K-car. But first TRUE minivan was the VW Bus which was rear engined, RWD if I'm not mistaken.
The simple fact is, that the minivan term doesn't apply to those vehicles. For me, I know an SUV when I see one. Just as I can tell a station wagon from a minivan from a station wagon. SUV's just have that LOOK.
But technically, the RX300 is no minivan.
As for the X5, it's based on the 5-Series RWD chassis which would make it more akin to a 5-Series wagon with a 4WD drivetrain. But Windogg would kill me for saying that
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<< Fix Or Repair Daily >>
i aggre!!
Last year, we bought a Ford Expedition, and lately, when we take our foot off the accelerator, we hear a whistling
soo.....
we took it into the repair shop, and after looking at it for two weeks, and even bringing in Ford's cheif field engineer, they told us it was a normal thing,
a.k.a.--> we have no fvcking idea what the he!!'s wrong with ur car, so we'll just say it's normal. >>
Do you have a Ford dealer around you that certified to sell SVT vehicles? When I have ANY work done on my Chevy vehicles like TSD's I take it to the dealerships that can sell the Flagship baby.. VETTE. Other then that you get the entry level mofo's.. GM certifies their best to work on their Flagship. Ford prolly does the same.
<< ..... or head up the nursery to pick up some plants for the garden.
>>
Who would put plants with dirt on them in that carpeted bed, er... trunk?
Besides, the plants would have to be less than 8" high!
<< Do you have a Ford dealer around you that certified to sell SVT vehicles? When I have ANY work done on my Chevy vehicles like TSD's I take it to the dealerships that can sell the Flagship baby.. VETTE. Other then that you get the entry level mofo's.. GM certifies their best to work on their Flagship. Ford prolly does the same. >>
Yeah, the dealership near us is certified to sell SVT vehicles, but apparantly, they can't do anything, or know anything, about our problem.
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<< But technically, the RX300 is no minivan. >>
you can't make a technical argument as to why that is true. its completely semantics. >>
Even so, your definition for minivan is so out of date that it doesn't even apply anymore. But you'd be hard pressed to convince someone that a Ford Escape or RAV4 were a minivan.
As for Webster's definition of a minivan:
A small passenger van having a boxlike shape, side and rear windows, and typically removable rear seats for cargo
Most SUV's (particularly the mid-size and compact SUV's) have two rows of seats. And those seats cannot be taken out. They are bolted to the floor and can be folded forward. Typically, all of the seats in a minivan (except for the front two) are removable.
Of course there are exceptions (Odyssey has a third row that folds flat into floor, same goes for the new '02 Explorer; while larger SUV's have removable third row seats). But for 85% of the SUV market (SUV's with two rows of seats), the rear seats are NOT removeable.
Webster's definition of an SUV:
A four-wheel-drive vehicle with a roomy body, designed for off-road travel.
That seems to apply to the RX300 and others except for the fact that it can handle light off-road duty and conquers on-road obstacles. I just test drove a Highlander today, and the thing rides as smooth, if not smoother than my Camry.. Off-road and minivan need not apply due to long overhands and low-ground clearance. And that's another thing...SUV's typically have short wheelbases, higher ground clearance, and shorter overhangs for increased approach and departure angles. Simply put, if an RX300 were in the rough stuff, most likely it could pull itself out. A minivan would dig its front bumper into the mud though or just be left lumbering without 4WD.
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A little more detective work came up with this:
Cambridge's defintion of minivan (which solidifies my point)
a large vehicle that looks like a small bus, usually with three rows of seats, the last of which can be removed or folded flat to transport large objects
Let's take this piece by piece shall we?
"a large vehicle that looks like a small bus" Car-based sport-utilities are NEVER very large for the simple fact that they are based on car platforms and use unitized bodies. You wouldn't find a car-based sport-ute the size of a Suburban or an Expedition. It would compromise the stiffness of the structure.
"usually with three rows of seats" All car based sport-utlities vehicles that I can think of DO NOT have third row seats. They are usually too small in size to accomodate a third row. SUV's that Do have third rows (Explorer, Surburban, Durango, Expedition, Excursion) are all TRUCK-based SUV's. The odd-man out Acura MDX has a third row seat option, but guess what, it's based on a minivan
"the last of which can be removed or folded flat to transport large objects" This I referred to above. The third row seats on the Explorer, Durango, and MDX can be folded flat. The seats on the Expedition, Excusion, and Surburban most be removed.
Cambridge's definition of SUV:
A sport utility vehicle (abbreviation SUV) is a very large car that looks like a small truck and can be driven where there are no roads.
I think that pretty much speaks for itself
CAN YOU FEEL THAT HONEY, HUH, HUH?? I HAVE EXORCISED THE DEMONS!! THIS HOUSE IS CLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAR
Cambridge's defintion of minivan (which solidifies my point
)a large vehicle that looks like a small bus, usually with three rows of seats, the last of which can be removed or folded flat to transport large objects
Let's take this piece by piece shall we?
"a large vehicle that looks like a small bus" Car-based sport-utilities are NEVER very large for the simple fact that they are based on car platforms and use unitized bodies. You wouldn't find a car-based sport-ute the size of a Suburban or an Expedition. It would compromise the stiffness of the structure.
"usually with three rows of seats" All car based sport-utlities vehicles that I can think of DO NOT have third row seats. They are usually too small in size to accomodate a third row. SUV's that Do have third rows (Explorer, Surburban, Durango, Expedition, Excursion) are all TRUCK-based SUV's. The odd-man out Acura MDX has a third row seat option, but guess what, it's based on a minivan
"the last of which can be removed or folded flat to transport large objects" This I referred to above. The third row seats on the Explorer, Durango, and MDX can be folded flat. The seats on the Expedition, Excusion, and Surburban most be removed.
Cambridge's definition of SUV:
A sport utility vehicle (abbreviation SUV) is a very large car that looks like a small truck and can be driven where there are no roads.
I think that pretty much speaks for itself
CAN YOU FEEL THAT HONEY, HUH, HUH?? I HAVE EXORCISED THE DEMONS!! THIS HOUSE IS CLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAR
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those definitions still smack of "you know one when you see one". for instance the "boxlike shape" which i would say does not apply any more at all, as well as "small bus." the chevy suburban looked more like a shipping crate than pretty much any minivan for about 5 years there after minivans went with the egg look. and none look like buses.
theres still very little here separating front-wheel drive, car based SUVs from minivans. and theres too many xover vehicles to come up with a good technical definition using precise terminology rather than "generally larger" or "looks like." a small truck? a suburban or expedtition? no roads? a rav4, escape, crv, etc? heck a navigator?
still... wish i had the green to buy a blackwood... i'd go and buy a boxster
theres still very little here separating front-wheel drive, car based SUVs from minivans. and theres too many xover vehicles to come up with a good technical definition using precise terminology rather than "generally larger" or "looks like." a small truck? a suburban or expedtition? no roads? a rav4, escape, crv, etc? heck a navigator?
still... wish i had the green to buy a blackwood... i'd go and buy a boxster
geno
Lifer
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<< a minivan is an enlargened wagon body originally built on a front-drive sedan platform, which is exactly what all these front-drive "SUVs" are. >>
The definition of a car/truck has nothing to do with what it's based off of. It's all in the end result, like the PT Cruiser - based off of the Neon, but classified as a Truck (maybe you don't, but Insurance companies and DMVs do). It all comes down to what it is on paper - whatever the manufacturer says, goes.
Yeah, this has been in the line up for some time at Lincoln. They had planned on using exotic wood to line the cargo box up until about a year or so ago. I tend to think it was english blackwood (does that even exist?), hense the name of the truck.
Beast is right though...the Chevy Avalanch is much more useful. Can store a full 4x8 sheet of plywood/drywall/etc in the back of it with the seat stowed. You can't get any more in it then you could with a regular pickup truck w/o a cab on the back, but that's not really an issue. Provided the price is right, and gas prices don't skyrocket, I might buy one of those to replace my current mode of transportation.
Beast is right though...the Chevy Avalanch is much more useful. Can store a full 4x8 sheet of plywood/drywall/etc in the back of it with the seat stowed. You can't get any more in it then you could with a regular pickup truck w/o a cab on the back, but that's not really an issue. Provided the price is right, and gas prices don't skyrocket, I might buy one of those to replace my current mode of transportation.
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