who still believes in evolution?

[Martin]

Originally posted by: mooncancook
One final finding/conclusion: it seems to me that Evolutionists are pretty hostile against Creationists.

There's nothing wrong with being hostile towards stupid people.

 

[no0b]

 

[shiner]

I think this guy got all his ideas about how evolution works from the movie Evolution. He seems to make about as much sense as the flick did....

 

[CaptnKirk]

Someone wrote a 'Best Seller' about this a few years ago . . .

 

[zephyrprime]

if you put a white family in Africa, no matter how many generations they live they won't become blacks. the only way is to cross breed them with black then the offsprings might become black. so one may argue evolution can occur through cross breeding. but no matter how you cross bread humans you still end up with humans, you never end up with an ape.

If you put a white family into affrica for 10000 years, you can bet they will evolve into a new breed of black people or something of the sort. Having white skin puts you at a huge disadvantage in a sunny climate of getting skin cancer. There would be strong selection pressure to develop lots of melanin in the skin.

There was an experiment with common guppies done to see how fast they can evolve. Guppies were put onto a cold water environment on the side of a mountain and gradually moved from pond to pond up the mountain. Cold environments favor larger bodies and the guppies did evolve into large guppies in the course of only a few years.

 

[0roo0roo]

but as I started reading more about it from different view points I raised more doubts and questions about it. even the fossiles that evolutionist relies on turn against them.

different viewpoints huh? mostly creationist pseudo science is my guess. those are dangerously misleading, full of pseudo science babble that sounds reasonable even though every point has been refuted. it doesn't matter though, because most people reading those books don't bother looking up the scientific refutation of all the drivel thats in those books. all they rely on is confusing jargon and supposed experts with an air of authority to support the pseudo science.

note those authors aren't published in scientific journals, there is no peer review. they can say whatever they want, no matter how misleading or discredited. they are one and the same as those that sell you pills that make your penis grow bigger or breasts larger citing pseudo science as their basis.

talkorigins.org is a good place to get some info.

 

[Bleep]

Any of you that thinks the earth is round you should check out the facts.

Here

Bleep

 

[BeauJangles]

Please read some actual material before posting on a board about how you don't buy evolution. YOu will get flamed, and rightly so.

Try reading Ever Since Darwin. It's an excellent book and should make you realize the billions of years of evidence we have for evolution.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: Gaard
Where's your link? Or did I somehow slide over to OT?

Exactly. This is neither politics nor news. Just good old fashioned flamebait.

he could have at least provided a good argument, this should be cracking, instead it's like watching old people fvck..........

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: Fatdog

Originally posted by: HombrePequeno

Originally posted by: mooncancook
if evolution is true, how can there not be one single transitional animal fossile found?

You might want to look up the evolution of horses and elephants.

Add whales to that list.

tell me why the modern whale has a shrinking but still present pelvic bone, one that has gotten smaller and smaller over MILLIONS of years and is now not even attached to anything, just floating in place and getting smaller over time. Disregard all the other evidence which leads you to also conclude they were at one point land animals.

Will we ever have a complete fossil record which accurately records every minute change, of course not. Is there any other theory of how man came to be that has withstood the rigours of scientific testing and has more evidence in it's favor than evolution?

You disregard the science behind the determination that evolution was the main factor, yet this same scientific process is exactly why you can see these words on a computer screen anywhere in the world. It is the same testing standards, mathematics, etc that is responsible for making sure your brakes work, that planes fly, etc. Are you going to suggest planes don't fly next?

 

[Fencer128]

Originally posted by: mooncancook

Originally posted by: Zebo
mmc- I hope you don't think Evolution and The Thoery of Evolution in anyway contradicts god created life of earth... It's simply the means he choose... If I have some time this weekend I'll try and answer your questions the best I can..But it's going to take some work

people believe it or not, and I've said it before, when I started questioning Evolution I wasn't a Creationist at all. There are part of Evolution that makes sense, it's just the part that some single cell organism eventually evolve into every living things here today does not make sense, which include evolutionary "jumps". I'm open to hear from all viewpoints. Also it's a good idea to read all the books/articles about it but I just don't have the time, so i'll appreciate honest replies without prejudices.

Hi,

Get an authorative and scientific view of evolution. Read "The Selfish Gene" and "The Blind Watchmaker", both by Richard Dawkins.

Hopefully, they will help you to answer the questions that are undermining your view of evolution as an acceptable theory.

Cheers,

Andy

 

[DaiShan]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Yes, the theory of evolution is just that: a theory. A theory with lots and lots of evidence to back it up. So why don't you tell us all about your theory of creationism. Or are you still masquerading it as "Intelligent Design?" So tell me, what evidence do you have? Any?

I don't see why creationism and evolution cannot coexist. I believe in both, for instance I don't buy into this whole idea that we some how evolved from some atoms getting hit by lightning and making the precursors to life. I think that when the bible says 7 days it was relative, like 2 billion years heh. I also believe that there has been evolution, from organisms that were created being that there is no evidence for this idea that we evolved from atoms.

 

[Caanon]

The problem is that when the environment changes so slowly, in an animals life time, there is basically no change at all. when an animal is born and grow and die under the same environment, there is no urge to adapt.

the closest thing that can change a species to a different species is through genetic mutation. but as we know, mutation is not beneficial to suvival. The chance of having a beneficial mutation is like closing your eyes and firing your gun and killing Bin ladin

From now on I think I'm goin to start swimming for hours everyday, and pass that on to my offsprings. Maybe after many many generations my offsprings will develop fins and become adaptive to water. by then when the ice on the two poles melted and cover up all the lands, you suckers who stayed in land will be waiting for doom while my offsprings will be enjoying the water.

These 3 quotes show that you really dont understand evolution, at all. I can see it being hard to accept things you can't understand. I accept the explainations science offers on many different topics because science questions itself, always looking for different and more detailed answers, comparing them and using the best of the answers as a guide until a better solution points a different way. Just as we evolve, science evolves and continues to better our understanding of a great many things. I could never accept someone telling me a book thousands of years old is the way things work and there is no arguement, no matter how well written or interesting the book may be.

Edit: Also...I can be happy with not knowing the the answer to everything. Do we know for sure how the very first living things came to be? No, but there are theories, that may be proved or disproved. Do we know what caused the "big bang" or even for certain that there was one? No, but there are theories with varying degrees of evidence. I trust someone saying this is what we think, and why, more than someone saying this is what I know, and pointing to a book.

 

[batmang]

evolution is the closest thing to proving where we "came from" or how the human race began. not one other theory besides evolution seems possible, to me at least.

 

[SnowyEnigma]

Jeez, have you people ever just look at your own writings? Everyone jumps on other people's thoughts like savage beasts. You all have to relize that everything in this world is mearly relevent, most of you are there, but not quite, I'm still not quite there. You could just say that it's a mix of both, and everyone would be happy Don't hate another's thought's against yours, since by hating it your only making thier thoughts a larger presence in your mind, rather love it and see it's perspectives.

 

[busmaster11]

I believe in evolution, as planned by God, an Intelligent Director. My proof? How ridiculous it is to believe in something so improbable given the science we know today.

Invariably, the thinking of those who do believe in evolution goes like this:
1) There is only one plausible theory - evolution.
2) Therefore it must be true
3) I shall now use circumstantial evidence to persuade myself and others that this is true.

Evolution theory by itself, is unintuitive and goes against chaos theory, which has been proven over and over.

 

[Sarcasticor]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
One thing. Fossils are tremendously rare. When you see the fossil record it's like blasting a piece of paper with a shot gun from 70 yards and laying it over a porn photo and truing to have an orgasm from what shines through the holes. You see only a tiny fraction of the whole and probably nothing of the hole.

That is, by far, the strangest comparison i have ever heard.

I love it

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: busmaster11
I believe in evolution, as planned by God, an Intelligent Director. My proof? How ridiculous it is to believe in something so improbable given the science we know today.

Invariably, the thinking of those who do believe in evolution goes like this:
1) There is only one plausible theory - evolution.
2) Therefore it must be true
3) I shall now use circumstantial evidence to persuade myself and others that this is true.

Evolution theory by itself, is unintuitive and goes against chaos theory, which has been proven over and over.

Improbable? you need to go to google and do a search for the "Drake Equation", it's more likely than not there are thousands upon thousand of civilizations at the same point we are technologically, and every stage back through our development, and that many more that far ahead.


3) I shall now use circumstantial evidence to persuade myself and others that this is true.


Show me any SCIENTIFIC discipline that relys on circumstantial evidence and calls it FACT. That is the method of the religous people, always has been. All religions answer the 3 basic questions man has asked himself since he could think. Where did I come from? Why am I here? Where will I go when I die? Some people just can't handle the fact they are here becasue of a random but common sequence of events, not for some greater purpose.


"I believe in evolution, as planned by God, an Intelligent Director. My proof? How ridiculous it is to believe in something so improbable given the science we know today."

How true, now tell me again why you believe that, and show me the scientifically verifiable evidence of your God so I can believe too, I mean know.

 

[digitalsm]

The theory of evolution has more truth to it than creationism. And who said the two are mutally exclusive?

 

[PUNKtotalled]

From mooncancook: "the theory that we come from apes which orginally come from bacterii just don't make sense."

Take DNA from apes, humans and bacteria.

Analyze the nucleotids sequences. (Fans of TV series: it's the same technics that allows us to recover rapers or killers from one single hair.)

You'll find great matchs between all sequences.

Easiest way to explain that: there's a parental link between these species.

That's only facts. Evolution is reliable. Go back in your biology class.

(I hope my english was not too bad)