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who still believes in evolution?

mooncancook

mooncancook

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I want to bring this up because the theory of evolution is taught as the truth in biology textbooks in schools, and it shouldn't be.

As a kid I was fascinated by the theory of evolution and firmly believed in it. but as I started reading more about it from different view points I raised more doubts and questions about it. even the fossiles that evolutionist relies on turn against them. if evolution is true, how can there not be one single transitional animal fossile found? how come we cannot see any evolution in animals today? because they all done evolving? what truth do the evolutionists rely on?
 
How can you see evolution as a process? Microcellular evolution, perhaps? Selective breeding?

Look up the avg. height of humans over the last thousand years.
 
Yes, the theory of evolution is just that: a theory. A theory with lots and lots of evidence to back it up. So why don't you tell us all about your theory of creationism. Or are you still masquerading it as "Intelligent Design?" So tell me, what evidence do you have? Any?
 
Originally posted by: mooncancook
I want to bring this up because the theory of evolution is taught as the truth in biology textbooks in schools, and it shouldn't be.

As a kid I was fascinated by the theory of evolution and firmly believed in it. but as I started reading more about it from different view points I raised more doubts and questions about it. even the fossiles that evolutionist relies on turn against them. if evolution is true, how can there not be one single transitional animal fossile found? how come we cannot see any evolution in animals today? because they all done evolving? what truth do the evolutionists rely on?
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What you don't understand is that evolution is ADAPTATION TO AN ENVIRONMENT and does not necessarily happen to an entire population. Some of our primate ancestors were located in an area where in order to survive they had to evolve. It's just like in Darwin's classic study of the Galapagos Islands. There are several variations of ONE species of turtle. Each variation is on a different island where different food types are available. Some turtles have longer necks to reach higher vegetation, they had to adapt that way or die. Just like a certain species of moth in England during the Industrial Revolution which had always been a light color evolved into a darker, nearly black color in order to adapt it's camouflage to it's more polluted environment. Just like man evolved different features depending on where he lived, so do the other animals. How else do you explain the various races of man? According to your views we were created in God's image right? Then explain to me why there are so many variations in not only skin color but skeletal structures, etc.. as well.


Probably not my best response ever but hey...it's late Friday afternoon....I'm at work trying to get paperwork finished and trying to eat a piece of damn birthday cake.......gotta go now...need punch....

 
That would be me. anyone who does not should read up on the Theory of Natural Selection and take an anthropology course.
 
***Warning !!! Do not argue science and the theory of evolution with a creationist, as you will only succeed in becoming baffled by the amount of junk/sue do-science and half-arse bible scriptures they'll throw at you. You are better off trying to convert Bin Laden into becoming a jew instead. You'll have about the same luck in succeeding in both cases IMHO. ***
 
Originally posted by: Czar
cant belive we still argue over this
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Yup, you would have thought those stupid enough to believe in Creationism should have been weeded out of the gene pool by now 😉

Tapping foot....still waiting 🙂
 
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Yes, the theory of evolution is just that: a theory. A theory with lots and lots of evidence to back it up. So why don't you tell us all about your theory of creationism. Or are you still masquerading it as "Intelligent Design?" So tell me, what evidence do you have? Any?
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please do not bring up the topic of creation. It's only a discussion of evolution here and whether it is valid or invalid.

 
Originally posted by: Drift3r
***Warning !!! Do not argue science and the theory of evolution with a creationist, as you will only succeed in becoming baffled by the amount of junk/sue do-science and half-arse bible scriptures they'll throw at you. You are better off trying to convert Bin Laden into becoming a jew instead. You'll have about the same luck in succeeding in both cases IMHO. ***
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I'm not here to ague about creation v.s. evolution. when I raised doubt against evolution I didn't belive in Creation at all. But if there is not enough evidence about evolution it shouldn't be written in the textbooks as it is now. that is my argument.

 
Originally posted by: mooncancook
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Yes, the theory of evolution is just that: a theory. A theory with lots and lots of evidence to back it up. So why don't you tell us all about your theory of creationism. Or are you still masquerading it as "Intelligent Design?" So tell me, what evidence do you have? Any?
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please do not bring up the topic of creation. It's only a discussion of evolution here and whether it is valid or invalid.
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You're such a joke.
 
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Yup, you would have thought those stupid enough to believe in Creationism should have been weeded out of the gene pool by now 😉

Tapping foot....still waiting 🙂
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Strongest evidence to date that natural selection is not working properly in the Human Species. 😉

Now the conversation might get interesting if we were to raise the theory of Memes...

As for whether the theory of evolution should or shouldn't be included in biology textbooks - well you might as well not teach biology at all if you're going to leave it out. :disgust:

I suppose DNA is all some "evolutionists" conspiracy too?
 
Originally posted by: razor2025
ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.... move on.... this argument ended before it even started.
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I supposed the argument you are talking about is "creation v.s evolution"?? that argument has no end so I don't want to talk about that and it's not what I'm talking about here.

but for Dwarwin's evolution theory it is as weak as the thoery of Creation in terms of evidence, why does it deserve to be taught as it is now.
 
Something interesting that never occurs to Christians:

One does not "Believe" in a scientific premise, one chooses to learn its meaning, its supporting points and its failings, and consequently UNDERSTAND it. Belief is NOT part of the equation.

That said, if you see no reason to understand how Evolution affects the world, you haven't studied. No transitional fossils? Where, on Mars? As someone above said, look at the record of human height over the last thousand, hell, TWENTY thousand years. Evolution is before you, my friend, every day of your life. Not just in Biology, either, but in Psychology, Philosophy, Technology. You can't escape evolution. If you choose to shut off your mind and hide from it, well that's YOUR act of intellectual cowardice and I leave you to it.

Jason
 
Originally posted by: Drift3r
***Warning !!! Do not argue science and the theory of evolution with a creationist, as you will only succeed in becoming baffled by the amount of junk/sue do-science and half-arse bible scriptures they'll throw at you. You are better off trying to convert Bin Laden into becoming a jew instead. You'll have about the same luck in succeeding in both cases IMHO. ***
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I think a better idea is to convert bin Laden into a CORPSE 🙂 At least you know that's possible if we can find his arse 🙂

Jason
 
As for whether the theory of evolution should or shouldn't be included in biology textbooks
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I didn't say it shouldn't be included. As a metter of fact, it was a mile stone in understanding humans and animals and it should be taught in biology. my point is that it shouldn't be taught as it was 20 years ago bacuase it is full of fallacies.
 
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Something interesting that never occurs to Christians:

One does not "Believe" in a scientific premise, one chooses to learn its meaning, its supporting points and its failings, and consequently UNDERSTAND it. Belief is NOT part of the equation.

That said, if you see no reason to understand how Evolution affects the world, you haven't studied. No transitional fossils? Where, on Mars? As someone above said, look at the record of human height over the last thousand, hell, TWENTY thousand years. Evolution is before you, my friend, every day of your life. Not just in Biology, either, but in Psychology, Philosophy, Technology. You can't escape evolution. If you choose to shut off your mind and hide from it, well that's YOUR act of intellectual cowardice and I leave you to it.

Jason
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do you really believe we humans have evolve over the last thousand years? tell me what part? height? I'm taller than my parents so that means I evolve? we are eating better doesn't mean we evolve. what about our brains? are we smarter than people 2000 yrs ago? if you think so then think again. we have more knowledge doesn't mean we are smarter. our knowledge comes from the people before us anyway. read the work of philosophers and mathematicians and scientists 2000 years ago, do you think we are smarter than them?

 
Originally posted by: Gaard
Where's your link? Or did I somehow slide over to OT? 😉
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Exactly. This is neither politics nor news. Just good old fashioned flamebait.
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Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: mooncancook
I want to bring this up because the theory of evolution is taught as the truth in biology textbooks in schools, and it shouldn't be.

As a kid I was fascinated by the theory of evolution and firmly believed in it. but as I started reading more about it from different view points I raised more doubts and questions about it. even the fossiles that evolutionist relies on turn against them. if evolution is true, how can there not be one single transitional animal fossile found? how come we cannot see any evolution in animals today? because they all done evolving? what truth do the evolutionists rely on?
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What you don't understand is that evolution is ADAPTATION TO AN ENVIRONMENT and does not necessarily happen to an entire population. Some of our primate ancestors were located in an area where in order to survive they had to evolve. It's just like in Darwin's classic study of the Galapagos Islands. There are several variations of ONE species of turtle. Each variation is on a different island where different food types are available. Some turtles have longer necks to reach higher vegetation, they had to adapt that way or die. Just like a certain species of moth in England during the Industrial Revolution which had always been a light color evolved into a darker, nearly black color in order to adapt it's camouflage to it's more polluted environment. Just like man evolved different features depending on where he lived, so do the other animals. How else do you explain the various races of man? According to your views we were created in God's image right? Then explain to me why there are so many variations in not only skin color but skeletal structures, etc.. as well.


Probably not my best response ever but hey...it's late Friday afternoon....I'm at work trying to get paperwork finished and trying to eat a piece of damn birthday cake.......gotta go now...need punch....
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i agree with you that minor "evolution" is possible. just like if someone stretches his limps everyday his limps might grow longer than they normally would. they question with skin color, i think it is against evolution. if you put a white family in Africa, no matter how many generations they live they won't become blacks. the only way is to cross breed them with black then the offsprings might become black. so one may argue evolution can occur through cross breeding. but no matter how you cross bread humans you still end up with humans, you never end up with an ape. the theory that we come from apes which orginally come from bacterii just don't make sense.

 
Originally posted by: mooncancook
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: mooncancook
I want to bring this up because the theory of evolution is taught as the truth in biology textbooks in schools, and it shouldn't be.

As a kid I was fascinated by the theory of evolution and firmly believed in it. but as I started reading more about it from different view points I raised more doubts and questions about it. even the fossiles that evolutionist relies on turn against them. if evolution is true, how can there not be one single transitional animal fossile found? how come we cannot see any evolution in animals today? because they all done evolving? what truth do the evolutionists rely on?
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What you don't understand is that evolution is ADAPTATION TO AN ENVIRONMENT and does not necessarily happen to an entire population. Some of our primate ancestors were located in an area where in order to survive they had to evolve. It's just like in Darwin's classic study of the Galapagos Islands. There are several variations of ONE species of turtle. Each variation is on a different island where different food types are available. Some turtles have longer necks to reach higher vegetation, they had to adapt that way or die. Just like a certain species of moth in England during the Industrial Revolution which had always been a light color evolved into a darker, nearly black color in order to adapt it's camouflage to it's more polluted environment. Just like man evolved different features depending on where he lived, so do the other animals. How else do you explain the various races of man? According to your views we were created in God's image right? Then explain to me why there are so many variations in not only skin color but skeletal structures, etc.. as well.


Probably not my best response ever but hey...it's late Friday afternoon....I'm at work trying to get paperwork finished and trying to eat a piece of damn birthday cake.......gotta go now...need punch....
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i agree with you that minor "evolution" is possible. just like if someone stretches his limps everyday his limps might grow longer than they normally would. they question with skin color, i think it is against evolution. if you put a white family in Africa, no matter how many generations they live they won't become blacks. the only way is to cross breed them with black then the offsprings might become black. so one may argue evolution can occur through cross breeding. but no matter how you cross bread humans you still end up with humans, you never end up with an ape. the theory that we come from apes which orginally come from bacterii just don't make sense.
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Damn, I've seen some stupid arguments contrary to evolution, but that post was a topper.
 
Exactly. This is neither politics nor news. Just good old fashioned flamebait.
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oh well... i just want to hear what the general public think... and don't know where it can fit in. maybe i should just end this thread... because ppl will start talking about creation v.s. evolution anyway... it just mess the whole thing up when arguing something that can't be proved, and that's why I wanted to talk about evolution alone because it is based on evidence.
 
Damn, I've seen some stupid arguments contrary to evolution, but that post was a topper.
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maybe. if evolution is all about natural selection then it is quite ok. but that pictures showing humans come from apes that come from mamals and birds come from raptiles that comes from fish is just not right. maybe i'm wrong, maybe evolution is just all about natural selection.
 
Originally posted by: mooncancook
Exactly. This is neither politics nor news. Just good old fashioned flamebait.
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oh well... i just want to hear what the general public think... and don't know where it can fit in. maybe i should just end this thread... because ppl will start talking about creation v.s. evolution anyway... it just mess the whole thing up when arguing something that can't be proved, and that's why I wanted to talk about evolution alone because it is based on evidence.
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Right, creationism/intelligent-design can't be proved. Please move on, or take it to Off Topic. Thanks.
 
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