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<< it still doesn't change the fact that, by continuing to smoke, you're bucking the odds and risking your future health. >>



I buck the odds every time I walk across the street. Your point?



<< All of your wishful thinking and bravado won't help, once a tobacco-related illness shows up in some future round of tests. >>



As much as you do-gooder busy-bodies like to claim otherwise, the majority of smokers never get any of these alleged "tobacco-related" ilnesses.

Russ, NCNE
 
playing devils advocate here



<< Finally, the government has no right whatsoever to forcibly save people from themselves. And trust me, you don't want to give them this right... even if they have already started acting as if this is one of their responsibilities. >>


why is suicide illegal then.
 


<< why is suicide illegal then. >>



It shouldn't be. If somebody wants to kill themselves and, in the process does no harm to an innocent, they should be free to do so. It's a stupid law, anyway. If a person is serious about suicide, why would a prohibition of the act prevent them from doing so? They know they won't be around to be punished.

Russ, NCNE


 
Russ I am 19. I started smoking around age 16-17. I do smoke menthols though. What type of cigarettes do you smoke?
 


<< It shouldn't be. If somebody wants to kill themselves and, in the process does no harm to an innocent, they should be free to do so. It's a stupid law, anyway. If a person is serious about suicide, why would a prohibition of the act prevent them from doing so? They know they won't be around to be punished.

Russ, NCNE >>


I completely agree with you Russ.
 


<< What type of cigarettes do you smoke? >>



Marlboro Reds. I didn't start until I was 19, though; basic in the Army.

Russ, NCNE

 


<< playing devils advocate here



<< Finally, the government has no right whatsoever to forcibly save people from themselves. And trust me, you don't want to give them this right... even if they have already started acting as if this is one of their responsibilities. >>


why is suicide illegal then. >>



I guess you missed it when I said this in the very quote you copied: "...even if they have already started acting as if this is one of their responsibilities."

And the illegality of suicide is the most ridiculous laws I've ever seen. What are they going to do? Lock up my corpse?
 


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<< As much as you do-gooder busy-bodies like to claim otherwise, the majority of smokers never get any of these alleged "tobacco-related" ilnesses >>



So there's absolutely NO health risks involved in smoking? >>



Did he say that? Nope.

 
AmusedOne -- << ... the government has no right whatsoever to forcibly save people from themselves. >>

I'm more concerned with saving myself and others from a government that so blatantly corrupted by money that it can't even bring itself to consider taking reasonable steps to promote the public welfare by educating our kids about the dangers of tobacco and including smoking reduction in the health services they already (lamely) attempt to provide. It also calls into question what else they do for greed that runs contrary to the interests of the public, at large.
 


<< So there's absolutely NO health risks involved in smoking? >>



Where did I say that? My point is that the radical, "only I know what's good for you crowd" likes to pretend that the odds are 100% that smoking is deadly. That is a lie.

Russ, NCNE

 
Russ, I smoke Marlboro Milds. I guess the menthol does change something somewhat. Most people I know that smoke menthol seem to have a few more problems than non-menthol smokers.
 


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<< So there's absolutely NO health risks involved in smoking? >>



Where did I say that? My point is that the radical, "only I know what's good for you crowd" likes to pretend that the odds are 100% that smoking is deadly. That is a lie.

Russ, NCNE >>



My fault, I missed the point. Since I just kicked my own arse, answer this: what's the point of smoking then? Since it CAN increase the risk of a smoking-related disease, and it does nothing but fill your lungs with smoke, is there a good worthy reason to smoke?
 
Only answer I can give you is that it is quite pleasurable at times, a stress reliever and cures boredorm.
 


<< is there a good worthy reason to smoke? >>



Yes. It prevents me from grabbing my Savage Tactical Model 110FP and climbing the nearest tall building.

Russ, NCNE

 


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<< is there a good worthy reason to smoke? >>



Yes. It prevents me from grabbing my Savage Tactical Model 110FP and climbing the nearest tall building.

Russ, NCNE >>



Did the solution cause the problem?

Viper GTS
 


<< Did the solution cause the problem? >>



Nah, I had that urge before I started smoking.😉

Russ, NCNE

 


<< AmusedOne -- << ... the government has no right whatsoever to forcibly save people from themselves. >>

I'm more concerned with saving myself and others from a government that so blatantly corrupted by money that it can't even bring itself to consider taking reasonable steps to promote the public welfare by educating our kids about the dangers of tobacco and including smoking reduction in the health services they already (lamely) attempt to provide. It also calls into question what else they do for greed that runs contrary to the interests of the public, at large. >>



Oh BS. EVERYONE knows smoking is potentially bad for you. EVERYONE first learns this where? SCHOOL.

The government has more than done it's job here. There is not a single person over 5 freakin' years old that hasn't heard the dangers of tobacco. It's up to the public to decide whether or not to follow what they know.

Stop blaming eveyone else but your friends for their irresponsibility.

As for the pathetic "greed" argument, would you be happy if all tobacco was tax free? What? No? I swear, the rabid illogical anti-tobacco people talk out of both sides of their mouths. On one side, "Tobacco should be taxed at ridiculous levels to discourage smoking," and on the other side, "government is greedy and does nothing because it makes so much money from tobacco."

Gawd f'ck sh!t damn, make up your freakin' minds already! 😕
 
well I quit smoking cold turkey over 11 years ago...it was relatively easy...the hardest part was going into a bar and not having a cig w/ my budweiser, but I very quickly got over it...edit:I was a pack-a-day smoker for the prevoius 8 yrs...however now it is very hard for me to be able to sit in a room w/ 2 or more smokers...sorry but it chokes me and it stinks...however, having said that, being an x-smoker, I am extremely sympathetic to Russ's side, and have heard basically nothing from Harvey's camp refuting the arguements from AmusedOne, who has made some very major and valid (imho) points against Harvey's drum-beatings...cmon Harvey...is that the best you can do?!?😉
 


<< well I quit smoking cold turkey over 11 years ago... >>



Hehe, actually, so did I (14 years ago); for four months. Three way bet with a couple of guys at work. As soon as I won the bet, I started again.

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That ought to drive the do-gooders nuts.

Russ, NCNE
 
AmusedOne -- I'm out. You haven't said diddly squat, but all you can do is try to demean whatever I say by calling it BS or pathetic. You can believe whatever you want, and you can spew whatever lame aspersions you wish, but it doesn't make it so.

Me thinks your mind is too clouded by your own smoke. All I can do is pity the shallowness of your thinking. 🙁
 
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