who should we not allow to buy guns

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Artdeco

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Add psychological screening to that list and about 80% of the cops in the USA will have to surrender their guns.

Actually many police are screened, you should have seen the fallout when the ones convicted of domestic abuse were forced to quit.
 

Bart*Simpson

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I have to reply to this stupid thread. NO ONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO BUY GUNS..it just slaps me in my face as a human being. You better be a cop or military person.

That's not "no one".

And there's a lovely movie about a place where only the police and the military were allowed to have guns.

It's called, "Schindler's List".
 

NutBucket

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If you want a totalitarian government move to China. Do what the government says or else....
 

Artdeco

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Where the hell do you live? I'd be moving if that happened twice since the crime rate appears to be so high.

This scenario is literally a huge fantasy for gun fanatics. They crave to be in a situation where they have the upper hand because of a gun.

Rural Texas, and why do they have to murder someone for it to count, there are on the average 4 million burglaries a year. There is no duty to retreat in your own home. Where do you live, I can pull up the stats for your area...
 
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Bart*Simpson

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how many cop mass murderers? I'm too lazy to google.

In Chicago it's probable that they've got some very disturbed types in uniform. Honan Square was their secret location where they killed more than one person without charge and it stands to reason that at least some of those cops would qualify at least as serial killers.
 

Mayne

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I have no idea what i'm talking about as a 47 year old male canadian that his parents were born in Glasgow, Scotland
 

pontifex

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I've been on this planet for 46 year. Not one person I know, I worked with, or am related to has ever been burglarized (much less had a home invasion). When it does happen, it's so shocking it makes the news...and these news stories only happen a handful of times per year.

I say that most burglaries happen when people aren't home, and therefore guns offer little protection in that aspect. Home invasions are not as common as the securities companies and the NRA want you to believe.
You could say the same about mass shootings and the media
 

Artdeco

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Fritzo, here's the stats for Youngstown, gets an F for crime

http://www.areavibes.com/youngstown-oh/crime/

One of the attempts was right after I'd totaled a car I kept in the drive when I was home, they assumed no one was home, it was in the salvage yard and I was gomered on pain killers, in the recliner, they're lucky I didn't just shoot all 3 of them, bastards. Worst part was I used my calico pistol, that looks like a fake gun, took a little talking to convince them it wasn't.

The other guy stopped at the house, asked to use the phone, and his car was broken down, being a little paranoid, I had a cordless phone in one hand, and a pistol in the other, tried to hand him the cordless, he refused and demanded to come in, I opened the door a little more and showed him the pistol. Police ran him, he had outstanding warrants for burglary.
 
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Kwatt

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There are about 100 burglary homicides every year. There are over 500 deaths per year from accidental discharge, around 21000 gun related suicides a year, and 11000 homicides.

We're not protecting much.

Well if only homicides are counted. OK. I personally not a big fan of being beaten. I won't speak on being raped because it hasn't happened to me. Although I am reasonably sure I won't like it.

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Kwatt

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I've been on this planet for 46 year. Not one person I know, I worked with, or am related to has ever been burglarized (much less had a home invasion).

I have been around a little longer. Not one person I know, I worked with, or am related to has ever been a victim of a mass shooting.

My parents next door neighbour was burglarized though...

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Pandasaurus

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Where the hell do you live? I'd be moving if that happened twice since the crime rate appears to be so high.

This scenario is literally a huge fantasy for gun fanatics. They crave to be in a situation where they have the upper hand because of a gun.

What magical world do you live in where you can decide where to live based entirely on the crime rate? Are you independently wealthy? Does your employer pay for your housing? What is it? Personally, I choose my housing based on budget. Not all of us can afford to live in the "good" neighborhood.

I've either personally known, or known about through immediate family, at least 4 people (possibly more that I've forgotten about) who have been victims of a home invasion while they were home. One of them did not own a gun (they do now), the rest did, and used it to defend themselves, their loved ones, and their property.

The fact that it hasn't happened to you does not mean it doesn't happen to anybody.

There's also a difference between wanting to be in a bad situation, and not wanting to be a victim when you're in a bad situation. But, thanks for trying to psychoanalyze the entire gun owning population at once.
 

HeXen

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What magical world do you live in where you can decide where to live based entirely on the crime rate? Are you independently wealthy? Does your employer pay for your housing? What is it? Personally, I choose my housing based on budget. Not all of us can afford to live in the "good" neighborhood.

I've either personally known, or known about through immediate family, at least 4 people (possibly more that I've forgotten about) who have been victims of a home invasion while they were home. One of them did not own a gun (they do now), the rest did, and used it to defend themselves, their loved ones, and their property.

The fact that it hasn't happened to you does not mean it doesn't happen to anybody.

There's also a difference between wanting to be in a bad situation, and not wanting to be a victim when you're in a bad situation. But, thanks for trying to psychoanalyze the entire gun owning population at once.

He lives here with the rest of everybody but you.

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Pandasaurus

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I... Am honestly not sure if you were serious or not. The text says serious, the picture says not.

I AM SO CONFUSED.
 

Muse

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I have to reply to this stupid thread. NO ONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO BUY GUNS..it just slaps me in my face as a human being. You better be a cop or military person.
I'm really glad to see several people in this thread take this position besides myself. I've taken this position for years and I used to get so much blow-back/flack you wouldn't believe it, dozens of people coming at me with "guns blazing," so to speak. Now it doesn't seem so far fetched, it's part of the conversation and so help me, I believe it's the answer to the huge gun violence problem in America. However, I think we should severely restrict access to guns even for cops and the military. When the citizenry don't have guns, cops won't need to holster guns.
 

Muse

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That's not "no one".

And there's a lovely movie about a place where only the police and the military were allowed to have guns.

It's called, "Schindler's List".
Huh? You're talking about a Nazi slave factory? :confused:
Add psychological screening to that list and about 80% of the cops in the USA will have to surrender their guns.
Which isn't a bad idea at all.
 
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Paladin3

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I'm really glad to see several people in this thread take this position besides myself. I've taken this position for years and I used to get so much blow-back/flack you wouldn't believe it, dozens of people coming at me with "guns blazing," so to speak. Now it doesn't seem so far fetched, it's part of the conversation and so help me, I believe it's the answer to the huge gun violence problem in America. However, I think we should severely restrict access to guns even for cops and the military. When the citizenry don't have guns, cops won't need to holster guns.

How would you possibly rid America of guns when so many folks, especially criminals, don't want that to happen and would actively resist? I'd be willing to give up drugs and alcohol, too, if we could figure out a way. Has the attempted prohibition of those two popular substances taught us nothing?
 

Muse

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How would you possibly rid America of guns when so many folks, especially criminals, don't want that to happen and would actively resist? I'd be willing to give up drugs and alcohol, too, if we could figure out a way. Has the attempted prohibition of those two popular substances taught us nothing?
Drug and alcohol use has been part of the human condition since prehistoric times, not gun ownership.

It's imperative to realize that getting the populace to give up guns will take quite a while, decades before it really works out. If you criminalize gun ownership, that will turn everyone who refuses to give up their guns (or accesses them later) into a criminal. Societal attitudes will change slowly, but they will change. Will there be a bumpy road, you betcha. But decades down the line we'll be a lot better for having gone down that road.

Look, we're talking about America here, basically. The rest the world (well, a whole lot of it, certainly) doesn't have this problem at all.
 
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Zodiark1593

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I have to reply to this stupid thread. NO ONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO BUY GUNS..it just slaps me in my face as a human being. You better be a cop or military person.

How about someone who can outshoot most police at the range. (Slowly raises hand)

Ideally, guns wouldn't exist at all, however, they're here, and at the very minimum, they will be here for awhile, hence we make do with the current situation.

Americans tend to be more individualist (me + loved ones >>> rest of society), hence the culture of guns. By their nature, guns empower the individual while benefitting the society very little.

This is compared to the more socialist mindset of most Europeans where the power of society is given precedence over that of the individual.

Personally, I don't consider either to be wrong. I would instead desire that more opportunity is given to allow a person to live under the rules they deem most fair.
 
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Paladin3

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Drug and alcohol use has been part of the human condition since prehistoric times, not gun ownership.

Yes, the gun has only been around for several hundred years. Murder has been a part of the human condition since prehistoric times thought, which is what we are really trying to stop, right? Anyway, in prehistoric times we had other weapons to kill with. I'm sure some well-meaning fools back then also talked about how the world would be better without weapons and urged everyone to disarm, which made the folks who wanted to kill or forcibly control others laugh because they had no plans to give up their weapons.

It's imperative to realize that getting the populace to give up guns will take quite a while, decades before it really works out. If you criminalize gun ownership, that will turn everyone who refuses to give up their guns (or accesses them later) into a criminal. Societal attitudes will change slowly, but they will change. Will there be a bumpy road, you betcha. But decades down the line we'll be a lot better for having gone down that road.

If there were enough votes to nullify the 2nd Amendment it would have happened already. Unfortunately (for you) there is majority support for it from the American voters.

When you suggest a law be passed that most don't want, that criminals won't obey, that law abiding citizens will resist, that voters wouldn't vote for, and then tell me that in a few generations people will come around to your way of thinking, well, I'm just stunned. That's the very definition of turning a free and democratic America into a oligarchy/dictatorship. We fought a war to free America from just such a government once, much of it we fought with privately owned guns BTW.

Look, we're talking about America here, basically. The rest the world (well, a whole lot of it, certainly) doesn't have this problem at all.

I'll let someone else talk about this one because I'm tired, but Americans have by no means cornered the market in killing each others. It's been happening forever and is still happening as we speak all over the world. The people who were historically the best at it found some way to disarm their opponents first.
 
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BoberFett

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just as stupid as you that offers no suggestions but the status quo.

I'm not the one clamoring for more laws. You are. It's not my job to propose new controls that I don't want.

Negotiation starts from a sane point. Your lunacy is not a starting point.