Who should I vote for? **SWAY MY VOTE**

[hevnsnt]

I have not paid any attention to either one's points in this coming election..

I am 27, Married and both my wife and I work in professional careers. We live in KS.

So, prove to me which canidate I should vote for, It is fine to slam on either canidate... But I would also like the positives.

Thanks

 

[Tab]

They both suck, IMHO I wish Wesely Clarke got the democratic nomination.

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

I don't like either of them. Who are the other choice this year? Nader? Badnarik?

 

[AFB]

A vote for Nader is a vote for no one. You might as well stay home.

 

[Saulbadguy]

You live in Kansas, like myself. I'm voting for Kerry, but I realize that is basically a waste of time since Bush will win this backwards-ass conservative state.

 

[daveshel]

Actually, a vote for Nader is more like a vote for Bush. I recommend a vote for Kerry more as a block to keep Bush from getting re-elected. Voting for Bush is a bad idea unless you own an oil company or a drug company, or really want to go on making war and giving others the world over more reasons to hate us. We need a regime change here at home, and we need to make sure that Bush's legislation to strengthen the Presidency is not made permanent.

 

[Gaard]

http://www.johnkerry.com

http://www.georgewbush.com/

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: hevnsnt
I have not paid any attention to either one's points in this coming election..

I am 27, Married and both my wife and I work in professional careers. We live in KS.

So, prove to me which canidate I should vote for, It is fine to slam on either canidate... But I would also like the positives.

Thanks

Vote for Badnarik, the Libertarian candidate. The Libertarian Party's platform makes sense through and through. Whereas with the Democrats and Republicans you will find exceptions here and there on this issue or that issue. For instance Republicans are against welfare handouts for poor people, but are all for them when it is for old people. This is logically, totally inconsistent.

On the other hand you have the Democrats who are all for loosening restrictions on freedom of speech, but then want gun control. This is logically inconsistent. As far as I'm concerned if you are for freedom go Libertarian, if you aren't go for the socialist party(which I believe most would agree is the WRONG choice). These mixed ideologies are totally bunk.

Libertarian Party Web Site

Badnarik for President

 

[Zephyr106]

Vote for Bush, only he can lead our Crusade Against Homos.

Zephyr

 

[jackschmittusa]

Sad to say but almost anybody would get my vote over Bush. I remember presidents from the days of Ike. I don't believe that collectively, all the worst things they did were as damaging to this country as Bush has been. As I see it a vote for Bush as a vote for:
secret government
secret trials and incarcerations
an administration that thinks it has the power to suspend the laws of Congress and the power of the courts at whim
pre-emptive war
tactical nukes
science to fit agendas, not facts
Christianizing America
military might as foreign policy
a mindset that finding fault with the Administration's actions and policies is treasonous
and on and on

I have always considered myself a patriot and I have always considered myself lucky to live in the U.S.. Bush seems intent on making my country into something that it never was and I would never wish it to be. If his vision of the country is not what what you want for you and your's, you will have to vote for someone else. A second term would would only take any existing reins off him as he will feel he has the approval of the citizenry. I shudder to think where that would take us.

 

[daveshel]

I am ideologically a libertarian, but feel that at this time we have too much at stake and only a major party candidate can defeat Bush.

 

[Caminetto]

You say you only want the positives. Then pay close attention to which candidate is holding to positive and constructive ideas. And too. watch which campain is using "fear and smear".

 

[heartsurgeon]

I am 27, Married and both my wife and I work in professional careers

You pay taxes....therefore you are "rich"
John Kerry wants you to "pay your fair share", that means he wants you to pay more taxes.
He then wants to spend that tax money to buy the votes of those who don't pay taxes.

He doesn't want to use the money to make you safer.

Bush wants you to keep your money (heck, he wants you to keep even more of it, and to be able to pass it on to your kids if you wish)

Bush wants to defeat terrorists, just like Reagan defeated communism, not appease the terrorists.

Bush has steered us through an economic downturn (the bursting of the fake "internet bubble economy" which grew under Clinton, and the impact of 9/11) successfully, Bush has helped bring the price of oil down, Bush has an actual shoprt term and long term plan to attack the terrorists.

Bush has an MBA, Kerry is a lawyer.....you figure it out.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I say don't listen to anyone who wants to sell you a politician like they would a used car. There are plenty of sites on the internet that allow you to get a sense of where these candidates are politically. Get an idea where YOU stand, and pick the one who best matches you. You don't need me to tell you who you are. No one here can.

 

[Deleted member 4644]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon

I am 27, Married and both my wife and I work in professional careers

You pay taxes....therefore you are "rich"
John Kerry wants you to "pay your fair share", that means he wants you to pay more taxes.
He then wants to spend that tax money to buy the votes of those who don't pay taxes.

He doesn't want to use the money to make you safer.

Bush wants you to keep your money (heck, he wants you to keep even more of it, and to be able to pass it on to your kids if you wish)

Bush wants to defeat terrorists, just like Reagan defeated communism, not appease the terrorists.

Bush has steered us through an economic downturn (the bursting of the fake "internet bubble economy" which grew under Clinton, and the impact of 9/11) successfully, Bush has helped bring the price of oil down, Bush has an actual shoprt term and long term plan to attack the terrorists.

Bush has an MBA, Kerry is a lawyer.....you figure it out.

Sir,

I suggest that you please reconsider a couple of the statements in your post.

Oil prices are near record highs, primarily as a result of the geopolitical situation which Bush has contributed to in Middle East over the last few years. Bush has done almost nothing to bring these prices down.

It is not possible to defeat the terrorists in the same way it is possible to defeat the Soviet Union. Bush, you, and those who think like you will lead our nation down a destructive course if you do not see this distinction. Terrorism should be confronted, but it cannot be beaten with brute force. (The level of brute force required to defeat terrorism would probably be on the same magnitude as the force required to beat Germany or Japan in 1945. Millions would be dead. Neither Bush nor Kerry is willing to take that path).

Kerry does not want to simply tax and spend everyone's money as you suggest. You are actually a heart surgeon, if I recall correctly. You almost certainly make at least $200,000 a year, and may make as much as 400-500k a year. Kerry WOULD increase your taxes. But I know a lot of people as wealthy as you, and I know a lot of people with dramatically more wealth than you.

On that point, I can assert one thing -- slightly higher taxes for the upper class will not dramatically cut into the lifestyle or investment patterns the upper class has come to enjoy. A man with millions in the bank will not hesitate to buy a nice car or invest in a stock -- and if he does hesitate, he should remember that he cannot take his money to the grave. (He can give it to his kids, but honestly if you need to give more than a couple million to your kids they are probably worthless anyways).

Final point related to taxes: the percent increase for middle class people (say, those making less than 100k or so) is always fairly small -- and its real impact is usually measured in the low thousands at most. I live in California -- the cost of a college education (UC) has risen about $3000 in the last few years because no one has had the balls to slightly raise taxes on the wealthy. Thus, middle and upper middle income families are now paying MORE than they would have to educate their kids. (Especially if Gov. Schwarzenegger gets his way and new tutition increases don't go to financial aid).

I can provide math on all this if you want. I deal with these figures on a daily basis for my work.


Bush has an MBA, Kerry is a lawyer, you are a heart surgeon.....you figure it out.

Edit: looked it up, heart surgeons' median salary is upwards of $400k.

 

[wkabel23]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon

I am 27, Married and both my wife and I work in professional careers

You pay taxes....therefore you are "rich"
John Kerry wants you to "pay your fair share", that means he wants you to pay more taxes.
He then wants to spend that tax money to buy the votes of those who don't pay taxes.

He doesn't want to use the money to make you safer.

Bush wants you to keep your money (heck, he wants you to keep even more of it, and to be able to pass it on to your kids if you wish)

Bush wants to defeat terrorists, just like Reagan defeated communism, not appease the terrorists.

Bush has steered us through an economic downturn (the bursting of the fake "internet bubble economy" which grew under Clinton, and the impact of 9/11) successfully, Bush has helped bring the price of oil down, Bush has an actual shoprt term and long term plan to attack the terrorists.

Bush has an MBA, Kerry is a lawyer.....you figure it out.

You know that's not true yet you post it.....why?

Bush wants to go after "terrorists" who have no link to terrorism yet OBL (remember him, he was responsible for 9/11) are free.

Bush wants to invade your privacy with programs like the Patriot Act.

Bush wants to use the government as a tool to spread the bigotry of Christianity - see Constitutional Amemdment on gay marriage

Bush has continued to increase the size of the government, going against core values of Conservatives.

Bush's Medicare bill is a pathetic attempt at helping reduce drug costs.

Bush drapes the flag and veterans around him yet his actions show different. (there was a thread on this earlier, search it if you awnt more info)

Bush isn't as smart as Kerry.

Ashcroft.

Rove.

Cheney.

Now HS, I know the some of the above statements are exaggerated for effect, but mine have more basis in reality than yours.

 

[IndieSnob]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon

I am 27, Married and both my wife and I work in professional careers

You pay taxes....therefore you are "rich"
John Kerry wants you to "pay your fair share", that means he wants you to pay more taxes.
He then wants to spend that tax money to buy the votes of those who don't pay taxes.

He doesn't want to use the money to make you safer.

Bush wants you to keep your money (heck, he wants you to keep even more of it, and to be able to pass it on to your kids if you wish)

Bush wants to defeat terrorists, just like Reagan defeated communism, not appease the terrorists.

Bush has steered us through an economic downturn (the bursting of the fake "internet bubble economy" which grew under Clinton, and the impact of 9/11) successfully, Bush has helped bring the price of oil down, Bush has an actual shoprt term and long term plan to attack the terrorists.

Bush has an MBA, Kerry is a lawyer.....you figure it out.

*yawn*

Even more tax bs from HS. Appearently he bought his degree online, it's about the only way to explain his sheer stupidity.

 

[Deleted member 4644]

I just wonder if he will reply to my post...

 

[Runner20]

Originally posted by: hevnsnt
I have not paid any attention to either one's points in this coming election..

I am 27, Married and both my wife and I work in professional careers. We live in KS.

So, prove to me which canidate I should vote for, It is fine to slam on either canidate... But I would also like the positives.

Thanks

Bush is the stronger leader and is right for America. He is strong on national security and does whats needed to be done to make America safer. Also thanks to him the economy is looking stronger each day. Kerry on the other day changes his mind from day to day. One day he supports the Iraq war next day hes against it.

Vote for Bush.

 

[Runner20]

Originally posted by: Zephyr106
Vote for Bush, only he can lead our Crusade Against Homos.

Zephyr

Dumb idiotic stupid bigoted statement. You sound like the Taliban.

 

[IndieSnob]

Originally posted by: LordSegan
I just wonder if he will reply to my post...

If he does he'll just post the same drivel over again. I'm starting to see he's not worth the time, nor intrest.

 

[Deleted member 4644]

Originally posted by: Runner20

Originally posted by: hevnsnt
I have not paid any attention to either one's points in this coming election..

I am 27, Married and both my wife and I work in professional careers. We live in KS.

So, prove to me which canidate I should vote for, It is fine to slam on either canidate... But I would also like the positives.

Thanks

Bush is the stronger leader and is right for America. He is strong on national security and does whats needed to be done to make America safer. Also thanks to him the economy is looking stronger each day. Kerry on the other day changes his mind from day to day. One day he supports the Iraq war next day hes against it.

Vote for Bush.

What exactly has Bush done for national security other than the Patriot Act (which I will concede has helped us clamp down on terrorism -- though it has its own costs)?

Specific policies and actions please. Also, please indicate if you think Kerry would have not also done these things that you list. Thanks

 

[Runner20]

Originally posted by: LordSegan

Originally posted by: Runner20

Originally posted by: hevnsnt
I have not paid any attention to either one's points in this coming election..

I am 27, Married and both my wife and I work in professional careers. We live in KS.

So, prove to me which canidate I should vote for, It is fine to slam on either canidate... But I would also like the positives.

Thanks

Bush is the stronger leader and is right for America. He is strong on national security and does whats needed to be done to make America safer. Also thanks to him the economy is looking stronger each day. Kerry on the other day changes his mind from day to day. One day he supports the Iraq war next day hes against it.

Vote for Bush.

What exactly has Bush done for national security other than the Patriot Act (which I will concede has helped us clamp down on terrorism -- though it has its own costs)?

Specific policies and actions please. Also, please indicate if you think Kerry would have not also done these things that you list. Thanks

Has there been a attack since 9/11? End of debate.

 

[Deleted member 4644]

Originally posted by: Runner20

Originally posted by: LordSegan

Originally posted by: Runner20

Originally posted by: hevnsnt
I have not paid any attention to either one's points in this coming election..

I am 27, Married and both my wife and I work in professional careers. We live in KS.

So, prove to me which canidate I should vote for, It is fine to slam on either canidate... But I would also like the positives.

Thanks

Bush is the stronger leader and is right for America. He is strong on national security and does whats needed to be done to make America safer. Also thanks to him the economy is looking stronger each day. Kerry on the other day changes his mind from day to day. One day he supports the Iraq war next day hes against it.

Vote for Bush.

What exactly has Bush done for national security other than the Patriot Act (which I will concede has helped us clamp down on terrorism -- though it has its own costs)?

Specific policies and actions please. Also, please indicate if you think Kerry would have not also done these things that you list. Thanks

Has there been a attack since 9/11? End of debate.

While I am very glad there has not been an attack since 9/11, I am not convinced that Bush can take all the credit for that. Terrorism is a complex thing. Also, I am not convinced that any other President would not have had the same results. So far nothing you have said has made me change my mind at all.

 

[Runner20]

Originally posted by: LordSegan

Originally posted by: Runner20

Originally posted by: LordSegan

Originally posted by: Runner20

Originally posted by: hevnsnt
I have not paid any attention to either one's points in this coming election..

I am 27, Married and both my wife and I work in professional careers. We live in KS.

So, prove to me which canidate I should vote for, It is fine to slam on either canidate... But I would also like the positives.

Thanks

Bush is the stronger leader and is right for America. He is strong on national security and does whats needed to be done to make America safer. Also thanks to him the economy is looking stronger each day. Kerry on the other day changes his mind from day to day. One day he supports the Iraq war next day hes against it.

Vote for Bush.

What exactly has Bush done for national security other than the Patriot Act (which I will concede has helped us clamp down on terrorism -- though it has its own costs)?

Specific policies and actions please. Also, please indicate if you think Kerry would have not also done these things that you list. Thanks

Has there been a attack since 9/11? End of debate.

While I am very glad there has not been an attack since 9/11, I am not convinced that Bush can take all the credit for that. Terrorism is a complex thing. Also, I am not convinced that any other President would not have had the same results. So far nothing you have said has made me change my mind at all.

I cant change your mind because your mind is already made up. Your anti Bush, but thats ok.

For one thing, Bin Laden is on the run and *maybe* dead, we dont know. Much of al qaeda's top leadership is in prison or dead. And Saddam and his evil sons are out of the picture. Thank you Mr. Bush.