Who should Democrats run in 2020?

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GagHalfrunt

GagHalfrunt

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MagnusTheBrewer said:
Snoop dog. We've already got a reality tv star President, I'm curious if we've bottomed out or not.
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Kanye would be worse than Trump
Kim K. would be worse than Kanye
Honey Boo Boo's fat mother would be worse than Kim.


We have not begun to bottom-out, America has an endless capacity for catastrophically bad taste.
 
Sonikku

Sonikku

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Boondocks did it.

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woolfe9998

woolfe9998

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It's going to depend on how things go over the next 4 years. If, for example, the Trump presidency is a total disaster, then I would suggest that the dems run a solid, establishment candidate (not Clinton but someone else). After four years of Trump's incompetence, I think the electorate may have purged its taste for "outsiders" with no experience in governance. Someone "safe" may be exactly what voters are looking for. If, on the other hand, the Trump presidency goes reasonably well (meaning primarily that the economy is good), then the dems may as well take a shot with someone farther to the left and perceived as more anti-establishment. Someone like Sanders, but younger.

Let's not over-interpret Trump's win as an endorsement of populist anti-establishment politics in perpetuity. He didn't even win the popular vote, and most importantly, let's see how he does in his first term. One way or another, his presidency is proof of concept for "anti-establishment" choices.
 
Jaskalas

Jaskalas

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woolfe9998 said:
It's going to depend on how things go over the next 4 years. If, for example, the Trump presidency is a total disaster, then I would suggest that the dems run a solid, establishment candidate (not Clinton but someone else). After four years of Trump's incompetence, I think the electorate may have purged its taste for "outsiders" with no experience in governance. Someone "safe" may be exactly what voters are looking for. If, on the other hand, the Trump presidency goes reasonably well (meaning primarily that the economy is good), then the dems may as well take a shot with someone farther to the left and perceived as more anti-establishment. Someone like Sanders, but younger.
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You need someone with Sander's idealism to lead us into a future of Single Payer and Basic Income.
If the economy does well? Who the !#@#$ are you kidding? For labor the trend has been a disaster for 40 years.
It will remain a worsening crisis for the next 40. Nothing is stopping the requirement to adapt to this economic revolution.

We need leaders that aren't going to fight and claw to maintain the status quo. We need real agents of progressive change.
 
woolfe9998

woolfe9998

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Jaskalas said:
You need someone with Sander's idealism to lead us into a future of Single Payer and Basic Income.
If the economy does well? Who the !#@#$ are you kidding? For labor the trend has been a disaster for 40 years.
It will remain a worsening crisis for the next 40. Nothing is stopping the requirement to adapt to this economic revolution.

We need leaders that aren't going to fight and claw to maintain the status quo. We need real agents of progressive change.
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You're talking about what you think we need as a country. I'm looking at who is most electable, and I stand by what I said - it will depend on what happens over the next 4 years. My first priority is getting rid of Trump.

So far as the economy goes, you're discussing long term trending. Yet the economy could be on the upswing in 2020 even if the longer term trend is bad for labor. We'll see.
 
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Jaskalas

Jaskalas

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Electable.
That has meant something different since 2008 and it has been blindly passed over as a non-trend. That's why Trump surprised his opponents. There is energy behind inspiring people for change. Obama delivered a charismatic "yes we can" promise to change the country. Trump delivered "MAGA" for trickle down BS. Our people are hurting economically, it doesn't matter what Wall Street does. DOW could reach 50k and workers would still be eating !#@#$. They are going to vote for someone to help them, whose promises inspire them to believe that there's hope out there.

The status quo does not tap into that energy. Granted, maybe next election no one carries it forward... but ignoring the need for change is a dangerous move to make in times as volatile as this. You don't help the country by keeping a steady course through a Hurricane. Trump's failure is going to be the opportunity of a lifetime to push for greater change. The Republicans are about to collapse, and you think electable means drawing them in to you. To take the center. I'm afraid you'll just be going down with the ship as far greater movement is necessary.
 
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blankslate

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desura said:
Meh, if no one else steps forward, Hillary Clinton might as well make another go at it. Except hopefully Hillary Clinton circa 2008 steps forward.
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Great someone who wants to give Trump a 2nd term Whiskey Tango Foxtrot dude.... WTF?!??!
 
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