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Who shot JFK?

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Originally posted by: spherrod
I read an interesting article once which said that Oswald acted alone, but the head shot actually came from one of the Secret Service guys in the car behind (gun discharged by accident apparently). I don't know enough about guns myself, but the main argument seemed to be that the type of rifle used by LHO wouldn't have done the damage that happened with the 3rd shot as it was a long-range weapon whereas the Secret Service guns were designed for short range, maximum impact.

Does anyone know enough about guns to say whether this could be at all possible? The article went on to say that the bullet which went through JFK's neck/throat would probably have been fatal regardless.

The bodyguards name was George Hickey- he was seated in the rear of the SS limo behind the presidential car. According to testimony and photos, he was the FIRST to react to a possible shot by Oswald that nicked the curb and hit Kennedy's scalp. A good book by Bonar Menninger called Mortal Error shows photos of the sequences and provides testimony by a firearms expert who concludes that, indeed, Hickey prolly fired the fatal shot as a result of slipping in the seat as the cars sped away.
The report of the gun, an AR-15, was extremely loud and sharp, sharper than Oswalds 6.5mm Carcano rilfe. There was the smell of burned gunpowder all around Dealy Plaza- Texans would know the diff. between burned tire rubber and gunpowder- and the layout of the area may have provided an "echo chamber" effect so that the origin of the gun report-behind Kennedy- may have been observed OPPOSITE that direction, towards the Grassy Knoll. This of course helps the conspiracists, although their evidence is weak.
The composition of the AR-15 round has copper and zinc. The carcano round has no zinc. Kennedy's skull was embedded with numerous tiny fragments which contained zinc. So most likely he was shot in the rear from the assault rifle, not the old WW2 round. A heavy, full-jacketed carcano round would at most split into 2 or 3 pieces when hitting relatively soft bone, if it would have shattered at all. The 5.5 mm round is known to shatter and disintegrate when hitting bones and tissue.

And, yes, about Kennedy's throat wound.
It wasn't just a throat wound, it was a spinal tissue wound that most likely would have been fatals anyways given Kennedy was weakened by Addisons disease, syphilis, pain medications due to his bad back. The throat shot, which most likely WAS the supposed "magic" bullet- pure hokum- grazed Kennedy's spinal cord, causing Kennedy's arms to flay upwards as he clutched his throat. This is a reflex reaction caused by stimulation to that area.
It exited his throat and entered Connollys back, exiting and lodging in his wrist.
The supposed "pristine" bullet was anything but- it was severly flattened and had lead extruding from the core.
So, yes, the bullet could have and prolly did that kind of damage to both men.
 
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
If anyone watched the History channel show the other night, the evidence was damning that Lee Harvey Oswald was the ONLY shooter, he acted alone.

what other information is there? the gov't has proved, beyond a SHADOW OF A DOUBT.
If LHO was the lone gunman why was it necessary for the government to seal and classify all records of the case TOP SECRET???
 
Originally posted by: Lurknomore
Originally posted by: spherrod
I read an interesting article once which said that Oswald acted alone, but the head shot actually came from one of the Secret Service guys in the car behind (gun discharged by accident apparently). I don't know enough about guns myself, but the main argument seemed to be that the type of rifle used by LHO wouldn't have done the damage that happened with the 3rd shot as it was a long-range weapon whereas the Secret Service guns were designed for short range, maximum impact.

Does anyone know enough about guns to say whether this could be at all possible? The article went on to say that the bullet which went through JFK's neck/throat would probably have been fatal regardless.

The bodyguards name was George Hickey- he was seated in the rear of the SS limo behind the presidential car. According to testimony and photos, he was the FIRST to react to a possible shot by Oswald that nicked the curb and hit Kennedy's scalp. A good book by Bonar Menninger called Mortal Error shows photos of the sequences and provides testimony by a firearms expert who concludes that, indeed, Hickey prolly fired the fatal shot as a result of slipping in the seat as the cars sped away.
The report of the gun, an AR-15, was extremely loud and sharp, sharper than Oswalds 6.5mm Carcano rilfe. There was the smell of burned gunpowder all around Dealy Plaza- Texans would know the diff. between burned tire rubber and gunpowder- and the layout of the area may have provided an "echo chamber" effect so that the origin of the gun report-behind Kennedy- may have been observed OPPOSITE that direction, towards the Grassy Knoll. This of course helps the conspiracists, although their evidence is weak.
The composition of the AR-15 round has copper and zinc. The carcano round has no zinc. Kennedy's skull was embedded with numerous tiny fragments which contained zinc. So most likely he was shot in the rear from the assault rifle, not the old WW2 round. A heavy, full-jacketed carcano round would at most split into 2 or 3 pieces when hitting relatively soft bone, if it would have shattered at all. The 5.5 mm round is known to shatter and disintegrate when hitting bones and tissue.

And, yes, about Kennedy's throat wound.
It wasn't just a throat wound, it was a spinal tissue wound that most likely would have been fatals anyways given Kennedy was weakened by Addisons disease, syphilis, pain medications due to his bad back. The throat shot, which most likely WAS the supposed "magic" bullet- pure hokum- grazed Kennedy's spinal cord, causing Kennedy's arms to flay upwards as he clutched his throat. This is a reflex reaction caused by stimulation to that area.
It exited his throat and entered Connollys back, exiting and lodging in his wrist.
The supposed "pristine" bullet was anything but- it was severly flattened and had lead extruding from the core.
So, yes, the bullet could have and prolly did that kind of damage to both men.

:thumbsup: thanks for the response - very interesting, when will the files be opened to the public (if at all)?
 
Originally posted by: HomerJS
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
If anyone watched the History channel show the other night, the evidence was damning that Lee Harvey Oswald was the ONLY shooter, he acted alone.

what other information is there? the gov't has proved, beyond a SHADOW OF A DOUBT.
If LHO was the lone gunman why was it necessary for the government to seal and classify all records of the case TOP SECRET???

The OP seems to have disappeared from the thread he started :thumbsdown:
 
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
give me pictures, evidence, testimony, etc of this and ill look intoit

I already did... evidence of bullet through the windshield has already been given in the video I posted 🙂


Haha brokenvisage, yeah, I did own mikey on the 9/11 thread...he outright refused to address the JPG image + specified time frame video I posted ... it absolutely destroyed his pancaking theory. :thumbsup: fun times. Look, he still hasn't addressed it 🙂

I guess mikey is still "looking into it"... or he just disappeared from the thread he started...so much for "owning" anything.
 
Chuck Norris built a time machine and went back in time to stop the JFK assassination. As Oswald shot, Chuck met all three bullets with his beard, deflecting them. JFK's head exploded out of sheer amazement.
 
Originally posted by: MasterAndCommander
Chuck Norris built a time machine and went back in time to stop the JFK assassination. As Oswald shot, Chuck met all three bullets with his beard, deflecting them. JFK's head exploded out of sheer amazement.


I heard Chuck Norris was his own dad. He round house kicked himself back in time and knocked up his mother, then did another round house back to the future.
 
Less Harvey Oswald killed Kennedy alone and by himself... with a magic bullet. That's right, magic is real. We have known about it for some 2000 years.
 
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
give me pictures, evidence, testimony, etc of this and ill look intoit

I already did... evidence of bullet through the windshield has already been given in the video I posted 🙂


Haha brokenvisage, yeah, I did own mikey on the 9/11 thread...he outright refused to address the JPG image + specified time frame video I posted ... it absolutely destroyed his pancaking theory. :thumbsup: fun times. Look, he still hasn't addressed it 🙂

I guess mikey is still "looking into it"... or he just disappeared from the thread he started...so much for "owning" anything.

so, where is mikey? ran away from his own thread and won't address the issues presented to him? big surprise.
 
Better question: Why was the Charlie Sheen 9/11 thread locked? They moved it to P&N, there was no more poop slinging from regular ATOTer's so there were finally actual debates, and THEN it gets locked??
 
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
give me pictures, evidence, testimony, etc of this and ill look intoit

I already did... evidence of bullet through the windshield has already been given in the video I posted 🙂


Haha brokenvisage, yeah, I did own mikey on the 9/11 thread...he outright refused to address the JPG image + specified time frame video I posted ... it absolutely destroyed his pancaking theory. :thumbsup: fun times. Look, he still hasn't addressed it 🙂

I guess mikey is still "looking into it"... or he just disappeared from the thread he started...so much for "owning" anything.

so, where is mikey? ran away from his own thread and won't address the issues presented to him? big surprise.

Still no response, mikey? Interesting.
 
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
give me pictures, evidence, testimony, etc of this and ill look intoit

I already did... evidence of bullet through the windshield has already been given in the video I posted 🙂


Haha brokenvisage, yeah, I did own mikey on the 9/11 thread...he outright refused to address the JPG image + specified time frame video I posted ... it absolutely destroyed his pancaking theory. :thumbsup: fun times. Look, he still hasn't addressed it 🙂

I guess mikey is still "looking into it"... or he just disappeared from the thread he started...so much for "owning" anything.

so, where is mikey? ran away from his own thread and won't address the issues presented to him? big surprise.

Still no response, mikey? Interesting.
Uhh.. perhaps "Mikey" has finally realized what most of already know - you're a whacked-out, kooky conspiracy-theorist with whom it is futile to try and debate with, as your "proof" is almostly always unsubstantiated "web films" put together by other "truth seekers" with little to no credibility, other that that given to them by nuts like yourself.
 
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
give me pictures, evidence, testimony, etc of this and ill look intoit

I already did... evidence of bullet through the windshield has already been given in the video I posted 🙂


Haha brokenvisage, yeah, I did own mikey on the 9/11 thread...he outright refused to address the JPG image + specified time frame video I posted ... it absolutely destroyed his pancaking theory. :thumbsup: fun times. Look, he still hasn't addressed it 🙂

I guess mikey is still "looking into it"... or he just disappeared from the thread he started...so much for "owning" anything.

so, where is mikey? ran away from his own thread and won't address the issues presented to him? big surprise.

Still no response, mikey? Interesting.
Uhh.. perhaps "Mikey" has finally realized what most of already know - you're a whacked-out, kooky conspiracy-theorist with whom it is futile to try and debate with, as your "proof" is almostly always unsubstantiated "web films" put together by other "truth seekers" with little to no credibility, other that that given to them by nuts like yourself.

Actually, the facts say the official version is a lie.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2928756561478705121&q=JFK&pl=true

I'm still waiting for mikey to "look into it" (regarding the bullet through the windshield). His own words 🙂
 
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Actually, the facts say the official version is a lie.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2928756561478705121&q=JFK&pl=true

I'm still waiting for mikey to "look into it" (regarding the bullet through the windshield). His own words 🙂

Like I said before, there may very well be something to the "truth" your profess, but because of your douche-bag-esque delivery style, few people have the patience to try and find out more it. You spend 99% of your efforts trying to "wftpwn" people by merely posting the same crappy vids you've run on the web across over and over and over again and purport them to be some sort of irrefutabe proof of your viewpoints.

Turn your asshattery from 9 down to 3, and you might get more reponses other than people being disgusted by your "points."

Or hey, just continue with it and continue to get shoved in the looney bin with all the other nuts. Something tells me that's what you'd rather have, as that way you can feel "suppressed" and your cause more "just." :roll:
 
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Actually, the facts say the official version is a lie.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2928756561478705121&q=JFK&pl=true

I'm still waiting for mikey to "look into it" (regarding the bullet through the windshield). His own words 🙂

Like I said before, there may very well be something to the "truth" your profess, but because of your douche-bag-esque delivery style, few people have the patience to try and find out more it. You spend 99% of your efforts trying to "wftpwn" people by merely posting the same crappy vids you've run on the web across over and over and over again and purport them to be some sort of irrefutabe proof of your viewpoints.

Turn your asshattery from 9 down to 3, and you might get more reponses other than people being disgusted by your "points."

Or hey, just continue with it and continue to get shoved in the looney bin with all the other nuts. Something tells me that's what you'd rather have, as that way you can feel "suppressed" and your cause more "just." :roll:

Who started the mud slinging and name calling? It certainly wasn't me 🙂 Go read your own words a few posts above.

I'll continue posting facts :thumbsup:
 
I'm such a sucker 🙁

Let's say that the person really did shoot JFK from the grassy knoll.. what does that matter?
Is it supposed to be like a government official?
 
Originally posted by: noto12ious

Maybe you should watch the video, and try actually countering the points provided.

To my understanding, there was a pristine bullet found on the stretcher 🙂


That's the problem- you have no understanding. That's why you believe in just about ANY conspiracy theory that comes your way- you aren't able to discern fact from fantasy, and are probably mildly schizophrenic.

If someone is otherwise normal but believes in ONE thing that might be a conspiracy, I'll at least listen to his opinion. But when someone believes in various conspiracies and puts links to conspiracy theories in his signature, then I'm certain that we have a Class A looney on our hands.
 
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