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TallBill
Lifer
Eh, quotes are easy to google. Copy, paste, enter. Poof.
edit - heres a whole page of the damn things
Future Shock
Senior member
Who said that he had to be a threat to the US? I don't believe he every truely was - but he was a threat to Israel. Hence the containment...
Future Shock
RightIsWrong
Diamond Member
What a misleading statement. There was NEVER a vote to go to war with Iraq. But you keep trying to justify the illegal invasion in your own mind as much as you can.
Sysbuilder05
Senior member
So who is this quote from? The date is April 2004
"So the first thing I want you to think about is, when you hear Patriot Act, is that we changed the law and the bureaucratic mind-set to allow for the sharing of information. It's vital. And others will describe what that means.
Secondly, there are such things as roving wiretaps. Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires-a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so. It's important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Constitution.
But a roving wiretap means-it was primarily used for drug lords. A guy, a pretty intelligence drug lord would have a phone, and in old days they could just get a tap on that phone. So guess what he'd do? He'd get him another phone, particularly with the advent of the cell phones. And so he'd start changing cell phones, which made it hard for our DEA types to listen, to run down these guys polluting our streets. And that changed, the law changed on-roving wiretaps were available for chasing down drug lords. They weren't available for chasing down terrorists, see? And that didn't make any sense in the post-9/11 era. If we couldn't use a tool that we're using against mobsters on terrorists, something needed to happen.
The Patriot Act changed that. So with court order, law enforcement officials can now use what's called roving wiretaps, which will prevent a terrorist from switching cell phones in order to get a message out to one of his buddies."
Yeah you got it,George Bush our fearless leader and less than a year ago. My,my how things have changed....
"So the first thing I want you to think about is, when you hear Patriot Act, is that we changed the law and the bureaucratic mind-set to allow for the sharing of information. It's vital. And others will describe what that means.
Secondly, there are such things as roving wiretaps. Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires-a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so. It's important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Constitution.
But a roving wiretap means-it was primarily used for drug lords. A guy, a pretty intelligence drug lord would have a phone, and in old days they could just get a tap on that phone. So guess what he'd do? He'd get him another phone, particularly with the advent of the cell phones. And so he'd start changing cell phones, which made it hard for our DEA types to listen, to run down these guys polluting our streets. And that changed, the law changed on-roving wiretaps were available for chasing down drug lords. They weren't available for chasing down terrorists, see? And that didn't make any sense in the post-9/11 era. If we couldn't use a tool that we're using against mobsters on terrorists, something needed to happen.
The Patriot Act changed that. So with court order, law enforcement officials can now use what's called roving wiretaps, which will prevent a terrorist from switching cell phones in order to get a message out to one of his buddies."
Yeah you got it,George Bush our fearless leader and less than a year ago. My,my how things have changed....
RightIsWrong
Diamond Member
How do you two get into a circle jerk about something that is so blatantly wrong? There have been numerous responses about the OP. I would suggest actually reading the thread.
Yeah, just look at all of those successful SCUD launches during the first Gulf War :roll:
And I'm still waiting for a response to why there is a lack of quotes from Clinton since 1998. I don't really care what Congressmen said, they're a bunch of tools for the most part. Also, like others have said, Clinton didn't call for his removal, he called for continued containment.
Vic
Elite Member
There is really only 1 political party in the US. It just presents itself as 2 different entities in order to confuse the masses and draw more support to itself (who votes for "3rd" parties?). Otherwise (and I know this will come as a shock to many here), Republican party officials fully support the welfare state, and Democratic party officials support the war in Iraq.
RightIsWrong
Diamond Member
A vote to use the military is not a resolution to go to war.
This is what a declartion of war looks like and sounds like:
Once again....
Use of force != State of war
shira
Diamond Member
I fail to see the point of this thread.
I myself - who opposed the invasion of Iraq from the get-go - believed EVERYTHING said about Saddam and his WMD programs. But I kept asking to anyone who would listen, "What is so different today about Saddam and his capabilities as compared with last year or the previous decade that suddenly makes invading Iraq necessary?"
The point is: Disarming Iraq did not require another invasion. I'm sure Bill Clinton believed every horrible thing about Saddam that Dubya did. But Bush is worthy of blame because he concluded that invading Iraq was the only viable solution. Clinton advocated disarmament, with invasion ONLY as a TRUE last resort.
I myself - who opposed the invasion of Iraq from the get-go - believed EVERYTHING said about Saddam and his WMD programs. But I kept asking to anyone who would listen, "What is so different today about Saddam and his capabilities as compared with last year or the previous decade that suddenly makes invading Iraq necessary?"
The point is: Disarming Iraq did not require another invasion. I'm sure Bill Clinton believed every horrible thing about Saddam that Dubya did. But Bush is worthy of blame because he concluded that invading Iraq was the only viable solution. Clinton advocated disarmament, with invasion ONLY as a TRUE last resort.
Vic
Elite Member
And that was btw the LAST time our country declared war. Are you saying we haven't been in a war since?
You can mince words all you want for the sake of your partisan ideology, but the fact is that our government does not declare war anymore since it found that the people didn't mind violating the Constitution. Now we simply declare "Uses of Force." As I recall, there was Democratic president in office when this was first done. 😉
Not that I would call Iraq an actual war anyway. An actual war is one where losing includes the threat of being conquered, and not just the relatively minor blow to the ego of being unable to conquer some other people. This is more like an imperialistic action on behalf of the Saudis, with bipartisan support and sponsorship.
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