Who runs the DEA? Obama very close to either breaking promise or setting precedent...

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alchemize

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DEA Raids in Colorado.

There have been two DEA "raids" on testing facilities in Colorado, both in response to the labs applying for DEA testing certifications.

This recent raid is interesting, as this dumbass basically showed himself on TV and dared to be busted. He's (probably) 100% compliant with state law. State law, which by the way is in the constitution of Colorado. Will charges be filed, and make Obama a liar? Or will the Feds back down?

Obama's campaign statements:
“When it comes to medical marijuana, my attitude is if it is an issue of doctors prescribing marijuana, I think that should be appropriate."

"I would not have the Justice Department prosecuting and raiding medical marijuana users. It's not a good use of our resources."

"I would because I think our federal agents have better things to do, like catching criminals and preventing terrorism. "

Holder's statements:
After the inauguration, the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) continued to carry out such raids, despite Obama's promise. Holder was asked if those raids represented American policy going forward.

"No," he said. "What the president said during the campaign, you'll be surprised to know, will be consistent with what we'll be doing in law enforcement. He was my boss during the campaign. He is formally and technically and by law my boss now. What he said during the campaign is now American policy."

""It will not be a priority to use federal resources to prosecute patients with serious illnesses or their caregivers who are complying with state laws on medical marijuana, but we will not tolerate drug traffickers who hide behind claims of compliance with state law to mask activities that are clearly illegal," Holder said. "This balanced policy formalizes a sensible approach that the Department has been following since January: effectively focus our resources on serious drug traffickers while taking into account state and local laws.""

And now we have the DEA promising more raids of legal operations.

And according to Sweetin, it isn't just growers who face arrest. The dispensaries are next on the list.

"The time is coming when we go into a dispensary, we find out what their profit is, we seize the building and we arrest everybody. They're violating federal law; they're at risk of arrest and imprisonment," he said to The Denver Post. "Technically, every dispensary in the state is in blatant violation of federal law."
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I hope Obama keeps his promise and Sweetin gets fired.




Oh how I wish we had a few more Thomas Jeffersons alive today...
 
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JEDIYoda

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alchemize said:
Oh how I wish we had a few more Thomas Jeffersons alive today...
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no you don`t; you have no idea how much worse things would be if there were a few more Thomas Jeffersons....you thought George Bush screwed the pooch.....
 
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classy

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Dude are you serious? It is still illegal. These places need to tread lightly untill all law, both state and federal are reconciled. I see no broken promise here.......
 
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classy said:
Dude are you serious? It is still illegal. These places need to tread lightly untill all law, both state and federal are reconciled. I see no broken promise here.......
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The promise isn't broken - YET. Depending on what happens here. Either this is a rogue DEA agent acting inconsistent with policy, or Obama/Holder are changing policy, and therefore breaking both a campaign pledge, and reversing policy.


"No," he said. "What the president said during the campaign, you'll be surprised to know, will be consistent with what we'll be doing in law enforcement. He was my boss during the campaign. He is formally and technically and by law my boss now. What he said during the campaign is now American policy."

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alchemize said:
Obama's campaign statements:
“When it comes to medical marijuana, my attitude is if it is an issue of doctors prescribing marijuana, I think that should be appropriate."

"I would not have the Justice Department prosecuting and raiding medical marijuana users. It's not a good use of our resources."

"I would because I think our federal agents have better things to do, like catching criminals and preventing terrorism. "
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I guess you don't know the difference between a grower and a user?

On Thursday, a Denver news station interviewed Chris Bartkowicz about his medical-marijuana operation in the basement of his home[]/u]. Bartkowicz, confident of his compliance with state laws, boasted of its size and profitability
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Although for this dumb ass to come out on TV bragging about his profits makes me suspect he's been sampling his product a bit too much.
 
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The state is changing the definition to require the clinics to grow their own. No longer can an outside supplier provide the merchandise.
 
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MotF Bane

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classy said:
Dude are you serious? It is still illegal. These places need to tread lightly untill all law, both state and federal are reconciled. I see no broken promise here.......
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Fuck federal law. They have no valid cause to regulate marijuana.
 
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MotF Bane said:
Fuck federal law. They have no valid cause to regulate marijuana.
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I think everybody should be able to grow a little for their owm personal use, but when you get people doing it just for the easy money, well that changes the picture a bit. If it was truly legal then everybody would be doing it, not just a few.
 
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I would love to live in a country where the feds could arrest anybody they want for marijuana use but nobody on any jury would convict.
 
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While many Colorado pot advocates hoped that we'd become the US equivalent of the Netherlands, where pot is de facto legal, the Feds are apparently drawing a line somewhere short of that.

Given the number of dispensaries that have popped up everywhere, it seems unlikely that the whole thing is entirely kosher. There aren't enough medical marijuana prescriptions to keep 'em all in business. Quite how that works, I really don't know.

I do think that the DEA and the nation would do well to let the whole thing fly on by, pave the way for complete legalization somewhere in the near future. Talking with young guys wherever I can, particularly the stoners (I was one, years ago) they tell me it's a whole lot easier to score meth, for example, than weed... In a world of limited resources, we need to pick our battles carefully, concentrate enforcement where it might prevent the greatest harm, if we're going to do it at all...
 
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Wait a minute...the only proof we have that these busted operations were in compliant with the law was you saying that they "probably" were. Is that really enough to jump down the DEA's throat?
 
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Rainsford said:
Wait a minute...the only proof we have that these busted operations were in compliant with the law was you saying that they "probably" were. Is that really enough to jump down the DEA's throat?
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Guess you're not really into that whole presumption of innocence thing, are ya?

I can't wait to read the search warrant...it's pretty clear they had no evidence of anything illegal at a state level in less than 24 hours.
 
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More facts are needed. Was he actually in compliance with the CO state law? Even if he was I can see why the DEA busted him. Think about it, if word gets out how easy it is to make money in your own basement, CO quickly becomes the marijuana capital of america and the DEA would have its hands full. That being said, the DEA should stick to busting real criminals like Obama mentioned. Somehow I feel that was only honey for the ear....
 
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Jhhnn

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Well, we'll just have to wait and see how this shakes out. Sweetin may well have ended his own career with the DEA. Hard to say.

I'm not making any judgements wrt the Obama Admin until the dust clears on this one. The subtle approach doesn't necessarily work very well when the political leadership wants the law enforcement bureaucracy to change directions- they're, uhh, resistant, to say the least... If they axe Sweetin, the whole thing will become crystal clear to everybody involved...

Outright legalization is the real answer wrt cannabis, has been for at least 40 years. Unfortunately, it's been a convenient soapbox and source of fearmongering for lots of politicians, particularly on the Right, and they never give up that sort of tool easily.
 
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alchemize said:
Guess you're not really into that whole presumption of innocence thing, are ya?

I can't wait to read the search warrant...it's pretty clear they had no evidence of anything illegal at a state level in less than 24 hours.
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Sure I support innocent until presumed guilty. But that's a matter for the courts. The job of law enforcement, DEA or otherwise, is to arrest people when they THINK they are breaking the law, then an impartial court can decide if they really were or not. You're jumping all over the DEA for what they did, with your justification being that the folks that were busted were OBVIOUSLY in compliance with the law.

That's not how law enforcement works.
 
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