Who renders HTML correctly?

[noninterleaved]

Ok, out of Netscape (we'll include Mozilla), IE, and Opera... tons of pages get rendered differently!

IE usually gives the most pleasing results, in my opnion. Who, however, renders HTML correctly?

Is there some standard browser that the W3 maintains to compare other browsers against?

Man... HTML sucks. The sooner we all start using XML based browsers the better off we are.

 

[ApacheXMD]

my guess is Opera

Mozilla
IE
Netscape

-patchy

 

[DAM]

i would think that apache is right.


opera, according to their site and nummerous reviews, sticks to W3 standards, while IE has a lot of leway when it comes to html and well as much html that is proprietary to MS. Netscape is a bit behind the W3 standards until ns6.0 came out, and they used to be really strict with the html, all <> had to have a </> if not the page looked like crap.



although i havent used mozilla and have not opened ns 6.0 in months.




dam(opera for me, and ie for work)

 

[synchronicity]

Without question, Mozilla 0.9.2.

The Mozilla team is committed to W3C compliance. Mozilla is the only big name open source browser. If something is not rendering correctly, you can go file a bug report, and a developer (out of hundreds) will respond within 12 hours or less, guaranteed. If the bug is valid, and reproducible, it will be fixed. Do you know any other browser maker who can show this kind of commitment to their product?

Get Mozilla. It's good for your mind, body and soul.

 

[ApacheXMD]

i've never used Mozilla (though i'm intrigued by the new version), but if the Mozilla team is so committed to compliance then how do you explain the fact that even their homepage isn't complying with W3C standards?

True, their respective webpages don't really have anything to do with the browsers themselves.. but it is kinda weird, no? You would think mozilla's page would be error free if they're so dedicated to w3c compliance.

-patchy

 

[synchronicity]

<< how do you explain the fact that even their homepage isn't complying with W3C standards? >>



Until Mozilla takes over the browser world and makes W3C compliance the standard, someone's got to make the Mozilla web page look pretty to the potential IE converts.

EDIT: Who happen to constitute 90% of the browsing world, at last count.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Opera is considered the best. Although Mozilla is supposedly good. Unfortunately neither however run on as many platforms as netscape.

 

[ApacheXMD]

Until Mozilla takes over the browser world and makes W3C compliance the standard, someone's got to make the Mozilla web page look pretty to the potential IE converts.

Then you're saying it's impossible to make a page look pretty in IE and have it compliant? I don't buy that. Besides.. look at both Opera's and Mozilla's homepage in IE, both look equally &quot;pretty&quot;.

but this is slightly off topic.. the original question was regarding which renders pages the way they're supposed to be seen.. one can argue that pages in IE are rendered as the designer intended even though it's not 100% compliant with W3C standards. And in the end, designer intent is probably more important than strict compliance.

But then again I'm pretty sure web designers can adhere 100% to standards and still have their pages look nice if they really took the time to do it right

-patchy

 

[n0cmonkey]

<< Until Mozilla takes over the browser world and makes W3C compliance the standard, someone's got to make the Mozilla web page look pretty to the potential IE converts.

Then you're saying it's impossible to make a page look pretty in IE and have it compliant? I don't buy that. Besides.. look at both Opera's and Mozilla's homepage in IE, both look equally &quot;pretty&quot;.

but this is slightly off topic.. the original question was regarding which renders pages the way they're supposed to be seen.. one can argue that pages in IE are rendered as the designer intended even though it's not 100% compliant with W3C standards. And in the end, designer intent is probably more important than strict compliance.

But then again I'm pretty sure web designers can adhere 100% to standards and still have their pages look nice if they really took the time to do it right

-patchy >>



But without the standard someone looking at a page using IE will see a different page than the person looking at it in netscape. Web designers seem to be lazy people. Most pages do not work equally well in both IE and netscape.

 

[synchronicity]

<< Then you're saying it's impossible to make a page look pretty in IE and have it compliant? I don't buy that. >>



Nothing is impossible. But things can be impractical and expensive. And in this case, are.

The kind of senior web designers who code strictly according to W3C standards and make all of their designs look good across multiple platforms, are the kind of web designers who command six figure comissions per website. They are a rare and valuable breed in this day and age of click-and-drool Dreamweaver and Frontpage idiots. They know their worth, and command appropriate payscales.

The Mozilla project obviously does not have the resources to hire such people, and it turns out that good web designers are not as enthusiastic about open source as good programmers, making them a difficult prospect to recruit. Be that as it may. Once Mozilla becomes a stronghold in the browser market, as is inevitable, a new generation of web designers will grow up learning and respecting W3C standards. And that can only be a good thing.

 

[ApacheXMD]

a new generation of web designers will grow up learning and respecting W3C standards

I really hope you're right about that one. Then we Opera-users will have no need for IE ever!
BTW, i'm posting this through Mozilla 0.9.2 and so far it's a pretty decent browser. I like the themes and built-in google searching (tho opera has something similar too )

getting offtopic again.. maybe i should move over to your Mozilla thread

-patchy

 

[bevancoleman]

Mozilla/Netscape is currently the best on the PC platform.

IE rules the v5 browsers, IE 6 dosn't quite match up to the latest NS 6's (though it is still preview).

Oddly, IE on the macintosh the the best overall, getting 99.9%.

most of this info came off www.builder.com, they had a link to a site which check most of the browsers.

 

[fow99]

Opera is the one. IE does a nice job and allow quite a lot of mistakes. Netscape is simply out of the question. It is even worse than Mozilla.

 

[Workin']

Jeez, synchronicity, you are a pompous ass, aren't you. Already 30 posts and not a single one that doesn't belittle somebody! Nothing wrong with having an opinion but you don't have to be a jerk about it. We are all impressed with your obviously immense and boundless knowledge and your certainty that your way is the only way. On behalf of all the &quot;drooling idiots&quot; here I would like to invite you to take a flying leap and go screw yourself.