who owns a Honda CBR 600? I'm pretty much set on getting one as a first bike.

[Greenman]

Great contribution as always from you. Credit to your breed. You don't know much but hell you can spell stupid if you use spell check.

What breed do you figure I am?

You wandered in here with a whole bunch of ignorant going on. Any information you don't like, you claim is biased. Confronted with pretty solid evidence showing you to be mistaken at the very least, you don't understand it, and actually think it supports your position. You promote practices that are demonstrably unsafe, and for corroboration you use a thirty year old study that doesn't support your position at all.
What the fuck am I supposed to think? That you're just misunderstood? That everyone else here is an idiot and you know it all? You've chosen to defend an untenable position with nothing more than dogged stubbornness and ignorance, that's stupid.

 

[madeuce]

What breed do you figure I am?

You wandered in here with a whole bunch of ignorant going on. Any information you don't like, you claim is biased. Confronted with pretty solid evidence showing you to be mistaken at the very least, you don't understand it, and actually think it supports your position. You promote practices that are demonstrably unsafe, and for corroboration you use a thirty year old study that doesn't support your position at all.
What the fuck am I supposed to think? That you're just misunderstood? That everyone else here is an idiot and you know it all? You've chosen to defend an untenable position with nothing more than dogged stubbornness and ignorance, that's stupid.

I "wandered in here" because the typical 600cc SS is death BS.

The information I claimed is biased is the IIHS statistics. The same people that claimed a 250 ninja is a factory race bike and needs to be outlawed. Look it up yourself.

What pretty solid evidence are you quoting now? Way to stay vague, of course it's very typical when you are spouting the 600cc is death BS.

What unsafe practices do I promote? I wear my gear, ALL the time. I don't drive unsafe on public roads. I haven't gotten in an accident or gotten any tickets. In fact what I have been promoting is:

Take the MSF
Wear your gear
Ride responsibly
Watch for other drivers.

Have you just been ignoring it, or having problems comprehending?

If you can't wrap your head around the fact that a lot of things in the Hurt report are still very relevant, just keep ignoring it then. There hasn't been a better study done, and the professor that was in charge of the study himself still sees it as being relevant.

I don't care what you think. As long as you are preaching that's 600cc bikes are death and downplaying the real dangers involved I'll be sure to point out where your wrong.

You and your little crew seem to like trying to label people as squids and just throw insults when someone shows you you're wrong. It's amazing how many times I've been called a squid in here, but the same people doing it brag about their dangerous riding habits.

It's not the end of the world man. A 600cc bike doesn't mean death, it's not going to make you a worse rider if you start out on one and any perceived danger it poses over a 250/500 pales in comparison to the real dangers out there for a motorcyclist.

Get over yourself and move on.

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Ouch. Hard to imagine getting up from something like that.

http://www.sportbikez.net/picture/37512/2006_suzuki_gsxr_600

I had a minivan cut me off the other day. Was a two lane highway and they pulled out in front of me. I was watching them and half expecting it. What I wasn't expecting was for them to freak out, slow down and start pulling over on the right hand side of the road. I hit the brakes and went to the right to avoid them and I thought they were going to push me over the railing down the side of the hill.

ummm... the title of the picture isn't quite right...

my gixxer

Where is the rest of it??

 

[Zargon]

In fact what I have been promoting is:

Take the MSF
Watch for other drivers.
Wear your gear
Watch for other drivers.
Ride responsibly
Watch for other drivers.

FTFY:thumbsup:

 

[JulesMaximus]

I'm kind of glad that many of the main roads here are divided or have a large median so I know where to expect vehicles to cross my path and can anticipate this. Occasionally I've had vehicles change lanes into my lane but a quick honk of the horn usually lets them know I'm there. I try not to ride in someones blind spot too or if I am I'm not there very long.

I've had relatively few close calls on the motorcycle. I've had more on my road bike than the motorcycle even though we have dedicated bike lanes around here (for bicycles).

 

[madeuce]

I don't know about those bike lanes. I don't think I would feel that safe on them on a pedal bike around here. Always seems like they are in dangerous places, especially the ones they put in between the main lane and the turning lane.

 

[madeuce]

FTFY:thumbsup:

thanks for the correction. much better for sure :thumbsup:

 

[JulesMaximus]

I don't know about those bike lanes. I don't think I would feel that safe on them on a pedal bike around here. Always seems like they are in dangerous places, especially the ones they put in between the main lane and the turning lane.

I'm used to it. You just have to be assertive and use hand signals. Most drivers get it and are pretty tolerant but you do get the occasional asshole who gets pissed off for having to yield to a guy on a bicycle. The ones you really have to watch out for are the clueless idiots not paying attention at all. I can't tell you how many times I've been passed and had the car that just passed me then cut me off while turning into a parking lot or side street.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

<snip>

Get over yourself and move on.

Just an FYI - you're still wrong and everyone here knows it. It's incredible to me that you have no problem "recommending" a 600 and increasing their already sky-high risks when trying to learn how to ride.


The only person in this thread that needs to get over themselves is you - just because you haven't wrecked yet with a mere 6k miles under your belt does not give you any sort of stance to give advice based on your total lack of experience. As many others have pointed out, your statistics have no basis and neither does your experience-based opinion.



The only reason no one is replying anymore is because you're too dense to argue with, and won't accept others experience and instead rely on twisting old data that has absolutely no bearing on the discussion along with your own misguided notions that you've created for yourself.


Personally, I'm done with this thread and trying to get you to see the other side of things.

 

[madeuce]

Whatever man. If that's what you need to think to stop spreading your 600cc bikes are death BS, more power to you.

 

[Greenman]

Whatever man. If that's what you need to think to stop spreading your 600cc bikes are death BS, more power to you.

I don't know where you came up with "600cc bikes are death", no one here has said it except for you. What everyone here is saying is that a race bike is a bad first bike. What you keep saying is that a race bike is a fine first bike.

 

[madeuce]

We must not even be reading the same thread any more apparently.

Starting on a 600cc?
Do your family a favor and pick out a cemetery plot before you jump on it the first time.

This thread and other threads on this forum are full of BS like that. When someone tries to paint it any other way the pack of goons jump on them with the squid crap. (People really need to figure out what that means one of these days. There's a definition posted in this thread, but people must have just glossed over it.)

Last time now. If you:

Take the MSF
Watch for other drivers.
Wear your gear
Watch for other drivers.
Ride responsibly
Watch for other drivers.

You are probably going to be OK wether you are on a 250 or a 600. The perceived difference in safety between a 600cc and 250 are very minor in comparison to compared to coming from a car to a bike. You won't magically be a better rider if you start on a slower bike.

When Holden takes his bike out to practice drifting, it's not going to matter if he's on a moped, a goldwing, or a cbr1000. He's going to hurt the next day regardless.

If someone like me on the other hand, would have came here for advice and bought a 250. I'd ride that 250 just as safe as my 650/600 and I'd be trying to ride that 250 up someone's ass. Bikes aren't one size fits all.

I'm done in this one. Have fun.

 

[holden j caufield]

I had a smoking deal from a friend or friend. 2008 CBR 600rr clean title with 1 year left on warranty for $4k. But my insurance company wants 4k a year for insurance. LOL I already own a TL, Prelude, and Camaro so I'd ride the bike max 1.5k miles a year. Didn't make much sense to spend 4k on insurance. I think I still might buy the bike and then just sell it? Can I buy the bike and resell it the next week in California. Are there any stipulations?

 

[MiataNC]

I had a smoking deal from a friend or friend. 2008 CBR 600rr clean title with 1 year left on warranty for $4k. But my insurance company wants 4k a year for insurance. LOL I already own a TL, Prelude, and Camaro so I'd ride the bike max 1.5k miles a year. Didn't make much sense to spend 4k on insurance. I think I still might buy the bike and then just sell it? Can I buy the bike and resell it the next week in California. Are there any stipulations?

That is half of what that bike is worth. Something fishy about that.

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/home/dmv.htm

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Uh, that's not fishy at all. New rider on a 600? Statistically that bike will be totaled in 2 years - no matter how much madeuce wishes otherwise.

That is half of what that bike is worth. Something fishy about that.

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/home/dmv.htm

 

[holden j caufield]

That is half of what that bike is worth. Something fishy about that.

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/home/dmv.htm

are you saying the bike is worth 8k? I think new they are 9.3K OTD TTL from my research I thought it was worth about 6k.

 

[MiataNC]

are you saying the bike is worth 8k? I think new they are 9.3K OTD TTL from my research I thought it was worth about 6k.

Worth 8k? - No

"Worth" was the wrong word to use.

Where I live 600s hold their value in the first 2-3 years. Or to be more precise people finance them (along with gear and accessories), and they need/expect to get sticker or just under MSRP selling them.

Seeing a 2008 CBR that cheap is usually a huge warning sign. It usually means salvaged, stolen, or a wrecked bike never claimed on insurance that was pieced back together with stolen parts.

 

[holden j caufield]

it was bought from a Honda dealership with all the paper work. 4k insurance is too expensive I'm wondering if it's still worth it to buy it then turn around and sell it for 1.5k profit?

 

[SpatiallyAware]

it was bought from a Honda dealership with all the paper work. 4k insurance is too expensive I'm wondering if it's still worth it to buy it then turn around and sell it for 1.5k profit?

Generally not worth it. The only real way to make it profitable is illegal (in my state), which is to get the seller to just sign it rather than you both sign, then you resell with a buyer is ok with that (IE skirting taxes)

Otherwise you have to transfer the title, which means it needs insurance, which means it needs tags....

 

[MiataNC]

it was bought from a Honda dealership with all the paper work. 4k insurance is too expensive I'm wondering if it's still worth it to buy it then turn around and sell it for 1.5k profit?

That bike is worth more than $6.5k in parts if you have the time and patience to completely dismantle it and sell it on ebay/CL.

 

[Fenixgoon]

it was bought from a Honda dealership with all the paper work. 4k insurance is too expensive I'm wondering if it's still worth it to buy it then turn around and sell it for 1.5k profit?

have you shopped around for insurance at all?


although yes, you WILL get raped. race bike + young male = high insurance.


better to go with a ninja250 still.. you could buy the 250 + insurance and come out ahead given how much you're paying for insurance on the 600

also - what's up with all the cars?

 

[holden j caufield]

my bike that I got last week

http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bikepdd.jpg

it's not that one but it looks exactly like it, except I'd take a way crappier pic. I love it, been riding for the past week and it puts a smile on my face every time.

 

[halik]

my bike that I got last week

http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bikepdd.jpg

it's not that one but it looks exactly like it, except I'd take a way crappier pic. I love it, been riding for the past week and it puts a smile on my face every time.

Wow, gonna go places ...

4K is a smoking deal, depending where you live hold onto it till the spring and bank big.

 

[Zargon]

teh grafiti is he best scheme honda has beyond the repsol reps

 

[eBauer]

Uh, that's not fishy at all. New rider on a 600? Statistically that bike will be totaled in 2 years - no matter how much madeuce wishes otherwise.

My first bike was a 2005 GSXR 1000 straight out of taking the MSF class, and it's still kicking 4 years later (see sig)