who owns a Honda CBR 600? I'm pretty much set on getting one as a first bike.

[Imp]

Well, if he goes for the 2009, at least there's a chance it'll have ABS...

 

[lavaheadache]

I give up. From now on when some dumbass squid wants to start out on 600 supersport I'm just going to keep my mouth shut and let the dipshit make his own mistakes.

ZV

ummm, who pee'd in your wheaties? Giving your opinion is one thing but to pretty much explode at him is a little out of line don't you think?

This same crap happens in the video forum too.

btw, I have no beef with you so don't retaliate at me.

Fwiw, I have had my "street" license for 12 years. I started on a 600 and ride a Hayabusa now. Am I dead? No. Starting out on a GS 500 or Ninja 250 isn't gonna make a good rider out of a dumb ass. If he is gonna ride like an ass hat on one of those bikes he will die equally as fast.

 

[RiDE]

Why not just start on a Fireblade? Actually that might get a bit dull after a while... why not go for a 180 BHP, 190 MPH BMW S1000RR?

Keith Code/California Superbike School got rid of the green machines and replaced them with the ugly S1000RRs... I suppose they are more track noob friendly, not by much fwiw, with all the electronic nannies onboard. :biggrin:

 

[Zenmervolt]

ummm, who pee'd in your wheaties? Giving your opinion is one thing but to pretty much explode at him is a little out of line don't you think?

There's a search function and the "first bike" question has come up probably a half-dozen times in the past month or two. A person would have to be blind or stupid to have missed the previous threads.

This same crap happens in the video forum too.

Someone asking a question that's been answered a bunch of times in recent history and other forum members getting annoyed with it happens everywhere. Are you new to the internet or something that you think this is unique here?

btw, I have no beef with you so don't retaliate at me.

Somehow, I'll bet that your imagination will claim this is "retaliating". Oh well.

Fwiw, I have had my "street" license for 12 years. I started on a 600 and ride a Hayabusa now. Am I dead? No.

Congratulations. You made a stupid decision and were lucky. Want a cookie?

Starting out on a GS 500 or Ninja 250 isn't gonna make a good rider out of a dumb ass. If he is gonna ride like an ass hat on one of those bikes he will die equally as fast.

A GS500 or a 250R has worlds more room for mistakes than a 600cc supersport. An honest mistake (not riding like an asshat, just a normal, novice mistake) is more likely to get him into trouble on a 600cc supersport than it is on a GS500 or a 250R.

A bad rider may indeed be a bad rider regardless of what he's riding, but a good rider will develop his skills faster if he starts on a GS500 or a 250R. Pilots don't start out in an F-16 and novice riders shouldn't start out on a 600cc supersport.

ZV

 

[bommy261]

mmmm which do u prefer, road burger or street pizza? mmmm pizza...

 

[lavaheadache]

First off Hoss, He wasn't asking about a first bike, he was asking about a particular bike and merely put first bike in the title. At no point did he ask if it was a good first bike. Looks like you had trouble understanding the otherwise straight forward title. Nice name calling implying the OP is stupid /blind for not searching... try searching cbr 600, let me know what you find, eh?

Secondly, Implying I'm a newb to the internet for not knowing about your temperment... um ok?

Third, "Somehow, I'll bet that your imagination will claim this is "retaliating". Oh well." Is it all that far fetched to read this overly sarcastic and negatively toned response that contains both implications and poor manners (esp. coming from a moderator) directed toward myself and the OP be considered "retaliating" ?

Fourth, yes I'll take a cookie. I'll enjoy it as i soak up a nice glass of milk with it while I ponder the stoooooopidity in my life.

I would like to ask you a question. What is your experience with riding a Sooooper Sport bike that makes riding one as difficult ass you are implying? Sure, if you get one above 8k they get a little silly but if one doesn't possess the self control and maturity to not abuse the power so be it.

600c first bike checklist

braking power- quick to stop, excellent
weight- light, excellent
riding position- horrible, poor
below 8k power- enough to get out of harms way, excellent
above 8k power- enough to cause harm, poor. or just having fun, excellent
looks- good enough to get you laid, excellent
replacement fairings- pricey, ramen noodles for a while, poor

to me a 600 seems well enough to learn on provided the rider has the maturity and self control to handle the bike and himself. If somebody is generally a nervous wreck on the road and or a menace to society they are gonna be Goodyear food no matter what. First bike recommedations should be handed out on a case by case basis decided upon what the riders needs and his overall poise.

If Charlie Brown were to start riding i would recommend a GS 500 because he would probably flip a SS 600 over trying to get accelerate out of the way of a truck or something.

If Schroeder were to start riding i think he would be quite capable of handling a 600cc and actually enjoy what it has to offer it's rider as he developes some skill

If you knew me you be a little more respectful of both my skill and knowledge regarding 2 wheeled transportation and possibly learn a thing or two.

Happy riding and quit hogging all the cheezy pooz

 

[jlee]

Sounds like you need to read the numerous first-bike threads that we have had in very recent memory.

Let me put it this way....would you give, say, a Porsche 911 Turbo or a tweaked MR2 Turbo to someone as a first car? Sure, if you stay out of boost, don't drive fast, and don't let off the throttle in a corner, you might be just fine....but would you be a lot better off to gain experience driving something that won't kill you if you have a little too much fun and don't know how to handle it? Absolutely.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

I give up. From now on when some dumbass squid wants to start out on 600 supersport I'm just going to keep my mouth shut and let the dipshit make his own mistakes.

ZV

Yup.

Op, search for my name and motorcycle.


Between here and other forums for years I've spent countless hours trying to talk idiots out of this crap over years and I'm done.

You will wreck, statistically you will hurt yourself in that wreck. Hopefully you don't take anyone else out or get yourself killed - or worse (and there are worse things.)

 

[SpatiallyAware]

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I would like to ask you a question. What is your experience with riding a Sooooper Sport bike that makes riding one as difficult ass you are implying? Sure, if you get one above 8k they get a little silly but if one doesn't possess the self control and maturity to not abuse the power so be it.

<mega snip>

I've owned like ~20 bikes, maybe more. Tons of 600's - 636, 675, f4i, etc etc from all the brands. I've owed TL's ('widowmaker'), 1098, etc etc etc



You're an idiot. He will wreck on that 600. Even *if* he is incredibly LUCKY (as all the statistics are against him) he WILL be a bad rider.


Take two completely equal riders/people - put one on a GS500, another on an F4i. Give them a year of equal riding, then give the GS guy a 600 for a week and he WILL blow away the person that started on one. I've seen it over.. and over... and over... and over... and over... and over again.


Even an SV, in my opinion, is STILL too big of a first bike.

Dirt doesn't count for crap on the street other than knowing how to use the clutch and shift. Just about every riding dynamic is different.




I'd LOVE to see a chart showing the number of people who post on supersport forums talking about their new first-bike 600 and how long they stay. They often wreck and never come back.



600's have horriblly narrow hp/tq curves. They seem like they have 'power all over' at first, but you eventually realize you HAVE to get them up to 9-10k before they wake up, and then they redline at 14k or so. In this short period you go from like 55-60hp to above 100. In this sense even a liter is a better 'first bike' as you don't have to ride it balls to the wall to go somewhere.

 

[madeuce]

He will wreck on that 600. Even *if* he is incredibly LUCKY (as all the statistics are against him) he WILL be a bad rider.

Take two completely equal riders/people - put one on a GS500, another on an F4i. Give them a year of equal riding, then give the GS guy a 600 for a week and he WILL blow away the person that started on one. I've seen it over.. and over... and over... and over... and over... and over again.

BS. The only place you've seen it over... and over... and over... is on forums like these where you have the guys that are preaching 600s aren't safe on one hand, and on the other hand bragging about how fast they take the curves on public roads...

The bike you start out on has very little to do with skill, if anything it's the opposite of what you are preaching.

Dirt doesn't count for crap on the street other than knowing how to use the clutch and shift. Just about every riding dynamic is different.

That's the truth at least.


Why so many analogies instead of comparing bikes/bikes? All the jet comparisons and car comparisons don't mean squat. When you compare the actual bikes themselves you get the real picture.

 

[madeuce]

I practically drool everytime I see one. How does it rank against other 600cc bikes? I'm looking at 2004-2009 are there years that are better or most prefer? 2007-2008 are best for price/performance bang for the buck?

I don't own one, here is a review comparing the bikes though.

http://www.motorcycle.com/shoot-outs/2009-supersport-shootout-87967.html

I think you're right about the 2007-2008 being best bang for the buck.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

I don't own one, here is a review comparing the bikes though.

http://www.motorcycle.com/shoot-outs/2009-supersport-shootout-87967.html

I think you're right about the 2007-2008 being best bang for the buck.

Exactly why I bought a '09 zx6r. I didn't know it had 107.7 hp. 5 more than any other 600 and 10 more hp than the cbr.
Cant wait to flog this thing at the track.

 

[JulesMaximus]

I read a news story about a year or so ago that was posted on a motorcycle forum I post on occasionally. It went something like this: Guy with years of dirt riding experience buys a shiny new 600cc supersport, he had just gotten it that day and was showing off for his friends, guns it down the street and cannot stop it in time, plows into a truck and he's dead. Theory was that his dirt riding experience taught him not to use the front brake...just another statistic with a distraught family he left behind.

 

[madeuce]

I know a story like that about a guy that has years of dirt experience and bought a new shiny 600cc supersport.

He's ridden it for a season and hasn't dropped it, or gotten any tickets, or wrecked it.

Oh wait, it's not a story, it's me. Stupid is stupid. Same guy might have lost his hand in a blender or something...

 

[lavaheadache]

Oilfieldtrash, what was your first bike?

 

[lavaheadache]

I read a news story about a year or so ago that was posted on a motorcycle forum I post on occasionally. It went something like this: Guy with years of dirt riding experience buys a shiny new 600cc supersport, he had just gotten it that day and was showing off for his friends, guns it down the street and cannot stop it in time, plows into a truck and he's dead. Theory was that his dirt riding experience taught him not to use the front brake...just another statistic with a distraught family he left behind.

I'm sure if did the same thing on a GS 500 he would have known to use the front brake right?

An uskilled rider is an unskilled rider

 

[JulesMaximus]

I'm sure if did the same thing on a GS 500 he would have known to use the front brake right?

An uskilled rider is an unskilled rider

Except he wouldn't have been going nearly as fast and likely would have been able to react and slow down or stop in time.

 

[JulesMaximus]

I know a story like that about a guy that has years of dirt experience and bought a new shiny 600cc supersport.

He's ridden it for a season and hasn't dropped it, or gotten any tickets, or wrecked it.

Oh wait, it's not a story, it's me. Stupid is stupid. Same guy might have lost his hand in a blender or something...

Statistics are on my side...not yours.

 

[halik]

Well, if he goes for the 2009, at least there's a chance it'll have ABS...

I'll buy it for pennies on the dollar 2 months later... People like OILFIELDTRASH's mentality are keeping my hobby cheap.

My last acquisition was an R6 that the previous owner lost an ear on.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

BS. The only place you've seen it over... and over... and over... is on forums like these where you have the guys that are preaching 600s aren't safe on one hand, and on the other hand bragging about how fast they take the curves on public roads...

The bike you start out on has very little to do with skill, if anything it's the opposite of what you are preaching.




That's the truth at least.


Why so many analogies instead of comparing bikes/bikes? All the jet comparisons and car comparisons don't mean squat. When you compare the actual bikes themselves you get the real picture.

You have no idea what you're talking about, you've created a false reality based on your 6 months of riding experience.

A good friend of mine is in a wheelchair for the rest of his life over the same decisions you've made. I knew someone personally who died on a 600 ~6 months after I had these same arguments with him. I've seen this happen at least 4-5 times within my large circle of riding friends. I've been to the funerals, I've been to the hospitals beds, I've seen the road rash scrubbed out. I'm heavily involved with lots of riders, and I absolutely do know what I'm talking about. Plus my personal experiences/opinions are merely an aside to the hard statistics that back up what I'm trying to tell you.


The bike you start on sets your habits in stone, and it's nearly impossible to break these bad habits.


You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about, hopefully you don't add to the statistics and screw up insurance even more.


Again, like I said in my other post... I'm really done arguing with people -just- like you every single spring. It never sinks in, not the firsthand experiences, not the statistics, not the fact that your insurance is sky-high for a reason. Unfortunately it tends to take an ambulance ride to wake you up.

 

[Fenixgoon]

madeuce:motorcycles :: fleabag:cars ?

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Oilfieldtrash, what was your first bike?

My first bike was a Kawasaki kx80 dirt bike. My first street bike was a Harley sportster 883. Then I had a Yamaha roadstar warrior, then my little brother got me hooked on sportbikes. Then it was in this order Kawasaki zx9r, Kawasaki zx6r, Kawasaki zx14, and the current bike is a '09 zx6r.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

I'll buy it for pennies Are on the dollar 2 months later... People like OILFIELDTRASH's mentality are keeping my hobby cheap.

My last acquisition was an R6 that the previous owner lost an ear on.

If you're anywhere near Texas I'd love to see who is a better rider on the track. gonna go back early October.

 

[lavaheadache]

My first bike was a Kawasaki kx80 dirt bike. My first street bike was a Harley sportster 883. Then I had a Yamaha roadstar warrior, then my little brother got me hooked on sportbikes. Then it was in this order Kawasaki zx9r, Kawasaki zx6r, Kawasaki zx14, and the current bike is a '09 zx6r.

i hear ya on the kx80, I was sporting a yz 50 about 25 years ago. =)

My first street bike was a 98 katana 600 in 98, rode it out of the show room. I was bored with it in a year and a half and got 2000 GSXR 600, then 2002 gsxr 750, 2003 Ninja 636, then a 2007 Hayabusa. I don't think i could go back to a middle weight. I think i would miss the torque too much. The hayabusa rides awesome over the distance and power off idle is breathtaking.

My brother has a zx14 but i think it ries way too soft and the infamous low rpm butterfly valve issue sucks on his first year 14

 

[madeuce]

You have no idea what you're talking about, you've created a false reality based on your 6 months of riding experience.

A good friend of mine is in a wheelchair for the rest of his life over the same decisions you've made. I knew someone personally who died on a 600 ~6 months after I had these same arguments with him. I've seen this happen at least 4-5 times within my large circle of riding friends. I've been to the funerals, I've been to the hospitals beds, I've seen the road rash scrubbed out. I'm heavily involved with lots of riders, and I absolutely do know what I'm talking about. Plus my personal experiences/opinions are merely an aside to the hard statistics that back up what I'm trying to tell you.

The bike you start on sets your habits in stone, and it's nearly impossible to break these bad habits.

You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about, hopefully you don't add to the statistics and screw up insurance even more.

Again, like I said in my other post... I'm really done arguing with people -just- like you every single spring. It never sinks in, not the firsthand experiences, not the statistics, not the fact that your insurance is sky-high for a reason. Unfortunately it tends to take an ambulance ride to wake you up.

You just can't get it in your head that someone can be safe on a 600, probably been reading too many forums and listening to the same people pat themselves on the back about how good they are and how much they know.

I'm glad you're wrong about the bike you start with setting your habits in stone too. I'd be a statistic if I tried to ride my 600 like I rode the yamaha 80 that I started on.

You think you're the only one who's seen people in accidents? LOL, get real pal. If you're buddy is in a wheel chair for life, it's because he's made different decisions than me, not same.

Fuzzy got a 250, just like you guys preached. Fuzzy already dropped it. Unfortunately from reading his posts, i'm guessing Fuzzy is also going to get in an accident.