Who out there is a Microsoft supporter?

[Lucky]

2. MS error messages haven't been that obscure since Windows 3.1. Win9x+2000+XP gives you the file that caused the error, the file it affected, and the cause of the error. Networking errors are given three digit codes that can be looked up in Technet or at support.microsoft.com. Fixes for specific error messages can also be found there

Funny, every time IE crashes on me I get a generic "error has occcurred, this program will shut down", and I'm running XP. I will agree with you on #4-if you have a problem with file type association then something is wrong, XP (and all previous versions) handled this perfectly fine.

 

[Angrymarshmello]

Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: Electrode

Originally posted by: singh
Ever heard of VBScript?

Yes, I think we've all heard of VBScript. Wasn't that the language embedded not only in IE and Outlook, but in the OS itself that allowed things like Sircam to get so out of control?
Besides, I'm fairly certain that these "programmer-only" tweaks you speak of can't be done with VBScript.

I am done with this argument. I've already proven at least one of my points: Windows is less user-friendly than Linux. Anyone who says otherwise is a fool.

What are you talking about? Less user-friendly? It's less tweakable than Linux. If anything is less user-friendly it's Linux. Would your 68 year old grandma be able to pick it up like she would Windows? Would a person who pays Best Buy "techs" $60 to diagnose a problem with Windows that turns out to be nothing more than a virus be able to use Linux as easily as they would Windows? I don't think so

I don't see him saying anything about newbs. Linux is definately more user friendly to non-newbs.

Linux != GNOME or KDE

Would someone with a decent amount of knowledge in computers know how to run Linux from a command prompt, which is what Linux essentially is? GNOME and KDE and other GUIs are not what Linux is or is meant to be. And take a percentage of all computer users - how many know how to do anything but surf the internet, check email, and type word documents? I'd say less than 20%.

 

[WarmAndSCSI]

I like using the command line better than the GUI in any OS

 

[Cyberian]

Originally posted by: TheUnhappyCamper
I like using the command line better than the GUI in any OS

Do you like edlin and debug too?

 

[lowtech1]

Linux != GNOME or KDE

So as Windows with out DOS.

The technology is here & we use what ever OS that is appeal to us.

 

[Ameesh]

Originally posted by: lowtech

Linux != GNOME or KDE

So as Windows with out DOS.

The technology is here & we use what ever OS that is appeal to us.

not true for like 5 years

 

[Geekbabe]

LOL,I'd take a job with MS so fast heads would spin

 

[lowtech1]

not true for like 5 years

What do you call Windows ME then. It has been around for only 2 years.

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: Fritzo

I am done with this argument. I've already proven at least one of my points: Windows is less user-friendly than Linux. Anyone who says otherwise is a fool.

WHHHAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAAAA........man, I gotta write that one down! That's the funniest thing I've read all week! I think you're done with your argument because the last leg you were standing on was kicked out from underneath you.

Now, I gotta get back to creating my own drivers so my video card and CD writer will work in Linux

Well, you obviously have NEVER ever even been close to a linux OS have you? That has to be a very rare video card you got there, not Nvidia, not ATI, not Matrox, not Trident, i actually doubt that you can tell me WHAT videocard has drivers for Winblows and not linux... and what about that cd writer?? NOT IDE and NOT SCSI... what is it??

User friendliness isn't based on what you can't change in an OS, it is based on how you change it, in Linux, you can change it, in Winblows.. you cannot...

And before someone mentions the actual interface once again and makes a fool of himself... let me say this, Linux is a small core, around it, you assemble the things you use, you do NOT HAVE to have the rest... no more processes running than you actually need equates what? less memory and CPU capacity used...

It's really quite simple, with Linux you have a choice, with winblows, you don't...

Winblows user friendliness is based on one thing alone, removing options for the user...

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: Electrode

Originally posted by: singh
Ever heard of VBScript?

Yes, I think we've all heard of VBScript. Wasn't that the language embedded not only in IE and Outlook, but in the OS itself that allowed things like Sircam to get so out of control?
Besides, I'm fairly certain that these "programmer-only" tweaks you speak of can't be done with VBScript.

I am done with this argument. I've already proven at least one of my points: Windows is less user-friendly than Linux. Anyone who says otherwise is a fool.

What are you talking about? Less user-friendly? It's less tweakable than Linux. If anything is less user-friendly it's Linux. Would your 68 year old grandma be able to pick it up like she would Windows? Would a person who pays Best Buy "techs" $60 to diagnose a problem with Windows that turns out to be nothing more than a virus be able to use Linux as easily as they would Windows? I don't think so

I don't see him saying anything about newbs. Linux is definately more user friendly to non-newbs.

Linux != GNOME or KDE

Would someone with a decent amount of knowledge in computers know how to run Linux from a command prompt, which is what Linux essentially is? GNOME and KDE and other GUIs are not what Linux is or is meant to be. And take a percentage of all computer users - how many know how to do anything but surf the internet, check email, and type word documents? I'd say less than 20%.

and may i ask you what winblows essentialy is? the GUI or no GUI choice has just been removed, it is a user shell, nothing more, it is not more integrated in any way...

And there are plenty of GUIS for Linux, Gnome is actually not a GUI, but i do not want to spend my time explaining that to you...

 

[SnapIT]

Do you like edlin and debug too?

Actually, and i know this question wasn't for me... but i do use debug for cleaning out partition tables and stuff...

Edlin... hmmm... it was a long time ago... i prefer Edit... or VIM if i use Linux at the time...

 

[wyvrn]

Linux/Unix gives more power to the user, you have much more control over your environment. Not to mention its cheaper and more stable. And you could code your own additions to the OS since the source is available. One can install Redhat, Mandrake, and probably several other versions of Linux as easily as any MS product, boot to the gui, and do the same things in KDE or Gnome just as easily as they do in Win2k or XP. Its just that people don't want to learn a new product. Basically people are lazy and very few are computer geeks wanting to spend free time working with computers outside of work and school. MS is a better marketer, making its products very cheaply available to students and teachers through various programs, so that I think Linux will have a hard time gaining very much market share. The only way MS will fail is if they overprice their product and make it hard to pirate, which they are already doing. I think they will be their own downfall.

BTW, my Xbox rocks But I can get it to freeze on several games, thats Windows for ya

A couple more things I would like to add. Linux has advanced to its current level faster than MS took Windows, because it is written by many people who have no profit motive or business timetable. And because their coding is open to the public, Linux is more stable and robust (scaleable) than Windows. I don't think Windows can do anything now that Linux cannot, even games. The only reason we don't see games for Linux is popularity, but many companies have said it is easier to code for *nix and would gladly switch if Linux becomes more popular with the everyday user.

 

[Willoughbyva]

I am not a programmer or computer expert. I use MS products and I also use linux products. Linux has come a long way over the past 5 years. So has MS, but I truly hope that Linux becomes even more popular and user friendly than in its current state. It for me is acceptable, but there is a public perception that it isn't. Companies like Mandrake and others have made Linux more point and click which apeals to more users than the command line ( generally speaking ). I use the command line on occasion, but like the idea of point and click so that I know what options are available and have a choice of what to choose. In both products sometimes you have to go in and remember some string or variable and it isn't as simple as point and click. Its that way in ms and in linux. If I were serious about getting a job in computers today then I think I would go the linux route. Simply because there is more free detailed informaton available, and that helps in the learning process.

I build my own computers so I have a choice in what to put in them. I always go with what is compatiable with Linux. Most of the time it really isn't a problem. The majoriety of hardware is Linux compatiable or like MS you can download a driver or whatever.

I used OS/2 for a while and liked it. I really don't care what operating system I use as long as I know enough to do what I want. To be honest as mostly a home user ( I used to be in tech support for a college, but not anymore ) OS/2, Linux, MS will all do what I want. btw driver support isn't 100% in any of the operating systems I mentioned. In 5 years all the current operating systems and computers will be old and outdated, so it really doesn't matter as long as you can get done what you want to do. For a fair amount of people most any operating system will do it.

Will

 

[BoberFett]

I'm sick of the forced upgrade March. They're starting to make things a really big headache for small businesses

 

[JellyBaby]

Hey, BoberFett, haven't seen you around for a while.

Forced upgrades are a pain. I'm looking to move from Office 97 (which is more than I need) to Open Office or Star Office just as soon as I research them a bit more. Free or very cheap software competing with MS's main products is a valid option for small businesses where training and support isn't a major expense.

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: Electrode

Originally posted by: singh
Ever heard of VBScript?

Yes, I think we've all heard of VBScript. Wasn't that the language embedded not only in IE and Outlook, but in the OS itself that allowed things like Sircam to get so out of control?
Besides, I'm fairly certain that these "programmer-only" tweaks you speak of can't be done with VBScript.

I am done with this argument. I've already proven at least one of my points: Windows is less user-friendly than Linux. Anyone who says otherwise is a fool.

What are you talking about? Less user-friendly? It's less tweakable than Linux. If anything is less user-friendly it's Linux. Would your 68 year old grandma be able to pick it up like she would Windows? Would a person who pays Best Buy "techs" $60 to diagnose a problem with Windows that turns out to be nothing more than a virus be able to use Linux as easily as they would Windows? I don't think so

I don't see him saying anything about newbs. Linux is definately more user friendly to non-newbs.

Linux != GNOME or KDE

Would someone with a decent amount of knowledge in computers know how to run Linux from a command prompt, which is what Linux essentially is? GNOME and KDE and other GUIs are not what Linux is or is meant to be. And take a percentage of all computer users - how many know how to do anything but surf the internet, check email, and type word documents? I'd say less than 20%.

Dumbass. When you get a distro you get it with a window/desktop manager. I wasn't refering to the linux kernel, but linux as a whole OS, IE as a standard distro.

To some people, an easy to use program/OS is restricting, making it HARDER for them to get their work done. Would you tell a graphic artist to use MSPAINT because its more user-friendly than photoshop?

 

[q2261]

Originally posted by: manly

Originally posted by: baffled2
Overall, I'm quite pleased with MS products, each new OS is more robust than the last

Damn straight, Winblows ME was a drastic improvement over W2K and W98SE.

LOL this is funny stuff

 

[Nefrodite]

Originally posted by: wyvrn
Linux/Unix gives more power to the user, you have much more control over your environment. Not to mention its cheaper and more stable. And you could code your own additions to the OS since the source is available. One can install Redhat, Mandrake, and probably several other versions of Linux as easily as any MS product, boot to the gui, and do the same things in KDE or Gnome just as easily as they do in Win2k or XP. Its just that people don't want to learn a new product. Basically people are lazy and very few are computer geeks wanting to spend free time working with computers outside of work and school. MS is a better marketer, making its products very cheaply available to students and teachers through various programs, so that I think Linux will have a hard time gaining very much market share. The only way MS will fail is if they overprice their product and make it hard to pirate, which they are already doing. I think they will be their own downfall.

BTW, my Xbox rocks But I can get it to freeze on several games, thats Windows for ya

A couple more things I would like to add. Linux has advanced to its current level faster than MS took Windows, because it is written by many people who have no profit motive or business timetable. And because their coding is open to the public, Linux is more stable and robust (scaleable) than Windows. I don't think Windows can do anything now that Linux cannot, even games. The only reason we don't see games for Linux is popularity, but many companies have said it is easier to code for *nix and would gladly switch if Linux becomes more popular with the everyday user.

heh but even an incompetent could pretty much install win xp nowdays. linux on the other hand.. ugh hard... as for easy to program games for. i think ms has linus beat cuz of direct x now.

 

[trikster2]

don't see how I can get a "life" living here. I have no means of transportation except for my parents driving me wherever and there is absolutely NOTHING to do here.

Are not the traditional hillbilly passtimes of growing weed, drinking moonshine, sleeping with your relatives and shooting things with guns good enough for you?

What's wrong with kids these days?????

Seriously, I'm surprised your thread has grown into a linux vs windows argument when you did not ask if MS OSes are the best but are you a "Microsoft supporter".

The only support Bill really cares about is $$$$$$. So for everyone that answered "Microsoft Supporter" we can assume that:

Microsoft "supporters" pay for every piece of microsoft software they use, Including buying and upgrading CALs

Microsoft "supporters" report any one they know of that steals money from Bill (pirates software) to Microsoft and the appropriate authorities.

Microsoft "supporters" NEVER violate an EULA and they read and memorize every EULA so as not to offend Bill by using his software in a manner that it was not intended.

UnhappyCamper you can help to point this thread in right direction by:

Letting us know the $$$$$s you have spent on Microsoft Software: Quantify your support of Bill!!!

Recite your favorite part of your favorite EULA!

Regale us of tales of turning in people who deny Bill his due and/or violate Microsoft EULAs.

For the record I like using both nix's and windoze, but what I really enjoy is innovation in software and choices...........

 

[gwlam12]

Originally posted by: TheUnhappyCamper
BTW, if anybody wants to give me a job here's a basic run-down on my experience and accomplishments(not limited to the stuff listed):

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Languages: C++, Visual Basic, VBScript, JavaScript, TSQL, XML, HTML

Operating Systems: DOS (All versions), Windows 3.0, Windows 3.1, Windows 3.11 For Workgroups, Windows 95 (OSR2), Windows 98 (SE), Windows Me, Windows NT Workstation 4.0, Windows NT Server 4.0, Windows 2000 Professional, Windows 2000 Server, Windows XP Home, Windows XP Professional, Mac OS, RedHat Linux 6.2, RedHat Linux 7.1

Software: Microsoft Office (95-XP), Microsoft Visual Studio 6.0 Professional, Microsoft Exchange Server 2000, Internet Information Services (4.0,5.0,5.5), Microsoft ISA Server 2000, Active Server Pages, COM/COM+/MTS/DCOM, Active Directory and ADSI/LDAP, Microsoft SQL Server 2000, Collaboration Data Objects (CDO), Apache Web Server, Apache Jakarta, Apache Tomcat, Adobe Photoshop 6.0, Adobe Premiere 6.0, Jasc Paint Shop Pro 4/6/7, Avid SoftImage XSI 1.5, Corel Bryce 5

8+ years using Microsoft Windows operating systems.

4 years running Information Systems for my current business ION WebDesign

4 years assisting people with computer problems and working for free - including work at my school

4.0 GPA through all of K-9 grades (currently haven't started 10th grade yet)

Multiple honors awards for high grade point average

Consecutive science and math awards throughout school

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I'm also 14 yo which might pose a problem getting a job....

sorry to burst ur bubble, but 4.0 gpa from k-9 isnt that hard.