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Electrode

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Originally posted by: singh
Because I'm a programmer - I have much more control over the OS than say, a user :)

That's one of the things I don't like about Windows. You have to write an entire program (a BINARY program, since Windows doesn't have a decent scripting system) just to make a simple tweak that would be done in Linux by editing a config file.
 

lowtech1

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Um...err...an Array is to dress your C-Plus (orange soft drink) in a decorative manner.

A Matrix is a human power-plant farm.

Linked List is the ability to veto or void * a lame math class.
 

m2kewl

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What I can't stand about M$ is their push of new technologies written half-ass (do they really think large organization admins/planners have time to baby sit daily patches), trying to run everything under the sun. Modifying standards to work on their platform and screw everyone else b/c they can get away with it. The worst part is the unethical business practices, like charging outragous prices for the software and corporate licensing schemes.

I don't totally hate M$ - used to work for them, and they eventually get it right...but I rather prefer quality and good business ethics over quantity and trying to cover the 20 percent annual growth.
 

WarmAndSCSI

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OMG! wow, i started a 2-page thread; that's a first...

for that person who doesn't think I know crap:

an array is basically an organized and indexed list, a matrix is an array to ^2 and a linked list is where each object points to the previous one
 

singh

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Originally posted by: Electrode
Originally posted by: singh
Because I'm a programmer - I have much more control over the OS than say, a user :)

That's one of the things I don't like about Windows. You have to write an entire program (a BINARY program, since Windows doesn't have a decent scripting system) just to make a simple tweak that would be done in Linux by editing a config file.

Ever heard of VBScript?
 

Stark

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I guess all the M$ lovers do not have to think about July 31 and the serious prostrate exam that many companies may face when the entire licensing structure changes.

MS gives away XP and office to students for $20 for a reason... and it looks like their tactics are working.
 

WarmAndSCSI

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VBScript r00ls!!!

gosh-darnit! why does Norton for Exchange constantly find Klez and stupid viruses like Hybris in user mailboxes??? :disgust:

people using my free services to attract bugs :p
 

Electrode

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Originally posted by: singh
Ever heard of VBScript?

Yes, I think we've all heard of VBScript. Wasn't that the language embedded not only in IE and Outlook, but in the OS itself that allowed things like Sircam to get so out of control?
Besides, I'm fairly certain that these "programmer-only" tweaks you speak of can't be done with VBScript.

I am done with this argument. I've already proven at least one of my points: Windows is less user-friendly than Linux. Anyone who says otherwise is a fool.
 

ed21x

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Originally posted by: TheUnhappyCamper
OMG! wow, i started a 2-page thread; that's a first...

for that person who doesn't think I know crap:

an array is basically an organized and indexed list, a matrix is an array to ^2 and a linked list is where each object points to the previous one

ok, an array is a 2d matrix, but other than that, you're right on target :) i just have a thing against cocky newbs to this board, so i automatically assume that all of them are. welcome to the boards :)
 

Martin

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I'm not a big fan of theirs.

If microsoft has their way by 2020 they'll be the only force in the whole computer industry, controlling absolutely everything. Of course, everything will be made so that they can rip you off no matter what.

I'm hoping microsoft won't have their way.....
 
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Originally posted by: Electrode
Originally posted by: singh
Ever heard of VBScript?

Yes, I think we've all heard of VBScript. Wasn't that the language embedded not only in IE and Outlook, but in the OS itself that allowed things like Sircam to get so out of control?
Besides, I'm fairly certain that these "programmer-only" tweaks you speak of can't be done with VBScript.

I am done with this argument. I've already proven at least one of my points: Windows is less user-friendly than Linux. Anyone who says otherwise is a fool.

What are you talking about? Less user-friendly? It's less tweakable than Linux. If anything is less user-friendly it's Linux. Would your 68 year old grandma be able to pick it up like she would Windows? Would a person who pays Best Buy "techs" $60 to diagnose a problem with Windows that turns out to be nothing more than a virus be able to use Linux as easily as they would Windows? I don't think so
 

Ameesh

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Originally posted by: Electrode
Originally posted by: singh
Because I'm a programmer - I have much more control over the OS than say, a user :)

That's one of the things I don't like about Windows. You have to write an entire program (a BINARY program, since Windows doesn't have a decent scripting system) just to make a simple tweak that would be done in Linux by editing a config file.

why dont you try using Windows Scripting Host, it can use VBScript or JScript, and if you want to use perl or python just download the interperters.
 

singh

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Originally posted by: Electrode
Originally posted by: singh
Ever heard of VBScript?

Yes, I think we've all heard of VBScript. Wasn't that the language embedded not only in IE and Outlook, but in the OS itself that allowed things like Sircam to get so out of control?
Besides, I'm fairly certain that these "programmer-only" tweaks you speak of can't be done with VBScript.

I am done with this argument. I've already proven at least one of my points: Windows is less user-friendly than Linux. Anyone who says otherwise is a fool.

You said that "Windows doesn't have a decent scripting system" and I simply cited VBScript as an example. As for its capabilities, you have to remember that it is, after all, a simple scripting language.

And Windows is less user-friendly than Linux? That's news to me :) I guess I'm a fool.

 

WarmAndSCSI

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Yay, at least I've been accepted by 1 person :p

I dunno... assuming I'm a n00b.

I wouldn't think a n00b could write all of the stuff I did for my site. Or even know enough to type out that list ;)
 

Martin

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Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Originally posted by: Electrode
Originally posted by: singh
Ever heard of VBScript?

Yes, I think we've all heard of VBScript. Wasn't that the language embedded not only in IE and Outlook, but in the OS itself that allowed things like Sircam to get so out of control?
Besides, I'm fairly certain that these "programmer-only" tweaks you speak of can't be done with VBScript.

I am done with this argument. I've already proven at least one of my points: Windows is less user-friendly than Linux. Anyone who says otherwise is a fool.

What are you talking about? Less user-friendly? It's less tweakable than Linux. If anything is less user-friendly it's Linux. Would your 68 year old grandma be able to pick it up like she would Windows? Would a person who pays Best Buy "techs" $60 to diagnose a problem with Windows that turns out to be nothing more than a virus be able to use Linux as easily as they would Windows? I don't think so


I don't see him saying anything about newbs. Linux is definately more user friendly to non-newbs.
 

lowtech1

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It is quite quick easy to work with & do a lot of things with VBscript & Jscript due to MS great integration of WSH.

But you can't say Windows is easyer than Linux to use, because the learning curve is about the same. It take about the same amount of time (less than 5 mins) for my mother @ 70 years old to learn how to email on a Win98 or Redhat box.
 

JellyBaby

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I was an enthusiastic supporter of MS until about 1995 or so...about when the browser domination wars began.

Today I recognize the tremendous wealth generated by MS not just for itself but for all IT. MS is now the world's largest company...market cap. $300 billion last I heard. They must be doing something right, eh?

But I'm trying to stop using as much of their software as possible because I don't care for the direction they're going.
 

CraigRT

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not me. I like some of their products, and dislike some, and I also dislike some of how they want things run, and what they do because they can. that pisses me off.

I will use select pieces of what they have to offer, but nothing more, really...
 

Rainsford

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I like MS stuff, and for most things I would choose Windows over another OS. But I'll admit that for some tasks I use Linux (like webserving) because there are some things Windows isn't good at, just like every OS. And there are some things it is very good at.

Look, we live in the real world. And let's face it, there is a tool for every job. That tool is not always Windows, but neither is Windows never the answer. If I want a fast, reliable webserver on my Pentium 200 (which I do), I'll run Linux/Apache (which I do). If I want a domain controller for some windows machines, I'm not going to even try to figure out how to do that with Linux. I'm going to use a windows server.

Oh, and I love Linux, but anyone that thinks it's easier to learn than Windows needs to lay off the crack.
 

dawks

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4. With every release, Microsoft takes more and more control away from you. Starting with Windows 2000, you can no longer delete or replace various files that have been designated "System Files." This makes it even harder to remove Internet Explorer, Media Player, and crap like that. Starting with Windows ME, and also seen ing Windows XP, you can't change the double-click behavior for some file types anymore. For example, even if you associate, say, Photoshop with JPEG files, double clicking them is going to open windows' built in viewer, no matter what. Double clicking an MP3 isn't going to open Winamp. And so on.

Im sorry.. I just dont understand this.. am I missing something? When I click on a .jpg or a .psd or a .gif.. Photoshop loads, and opens that image.. Also, whenever I double click a .mp3 or .wav, Winamp opens and plays that music file..

Did I get a 'special version' of XP and WinMe?
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