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Ike0069

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Originally posted by: jonnyGURU
I've actually gotten so burned out on building PC's, I now order AOpen CustomPC barebones for work, ten at a time. I just open them up, install CPU, RAM and HDD and install Win 2K. :D

Not alot of difference between that and a complete new build. :confused:
 

techwanabe

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Originally posted by: Ike0069
You got a better idea that costs the same or less?
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No, but if you want to game with it, buying an already out of date VC is pointless IMO. You could only get 512 MB RAM and upgrade to a 9800 pro for only a little more $. Also could go with a retail processor and save on "Thermaltake Silent Boost HSF".

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A 256mb 9600pro? I would go 128mb unless it was a really high end card. Also a barton 2500 is a much better value than an tbred 2400 if you're going to oc.

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I concur with these two opinions.


 

techwanabe

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Originally posted by: Mwilding
Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
Aspire X-DreamerII w/350 Watt- $68
WD 120GB SE 7200 - $86
512MB PC3200 Kingmax- $72
AN35N Ultra Mobo- $58
Lite-On 52x32x52- $26
Athlon XP 2700+ Retail- $103
Albatron 6800LE- $255

$672

Under $700 and this system will obliterate the one you listed for gaming.

Edit- Forgot to mention, all prices shipped from NewEgg

Edit2-

To give you an idea of the performance difference-

42.2FPS for the 6800LE, 15.5 for the 9600XT.

32.2 for the LE, 19.5 for the 9600XT.

HL2 Beta- LE pulling 44.3FPS with the 9600XT running 24.0.

That's 172%, 65% and 84.5% faster respectively. Maximizing the vid card is the best way to go whenever looking at a gaming rig, even if you must sacrifice elsewhere.
That's all well and good, but add tax and shipping and it is well over $100 more than I paid.
It did mention that the prices he quoted were shipped - you'll only be charged taxes if you are in the sames state you are ordering from ... are you?
 

jonnyGURU

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Originally posted by: Ike0069
Originally posted by: jonnyGURU
I've actually gotten so burned out on building PC's, I now order AOpen CustomPC barebones for work, ten at a time. I just open them up, install CPU, RAM and HDD and install Win 2K. :D

Not alot of difference between that and a complete new build. :confused:

The hell it isn't.

Motherboard, optical drive and floppy drive already mounted in the case, all cables plugged in and neatly routed and zip-tied and put in a box more substantial that the box that bare cases come in so I can actually SHIP a completely built machine and not have to worry about it arriving in one piece.

BIG difference.

 

BenSkywalker

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That's all well and good, but add tax and shipping and it is well over $100 more than I paid.

That did include shipping, do you live in a NewEgg state? If not, then it is a decent amount under a $100 premium and the system I listed would obliterate the one you are looking at in terms of gaming. We aren't talking a couple of percent here, 50%-100% faster in most stressed situations. With a 9600Pro you are looking at slightly better then eMachines performance, the rig I configured is in line with an Alienware.
 

GasX

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Ben - I took out the Hard Drive from your list and put the before shipping prices

Aspire X-DreamerII w/350 Watt- $59
512MB PC3200 Kingmax- $66
AN35N Ultra Mobo- $54
Lite-On 52x32x52- $19
Athlon XP 2700+ Retail- $102
Albatron 6800LE- $255

$555 before tax and shipping

My rig is:

Cooler Master Centurion 5 Mid-Tower Case with 350W Power Supply, $83
Corsair Value Select (Dual Pack) 184 Pin 512MBx2 DDR PC-3200 - $157.00
Shuttle "AN35N-Ultra" nForce2 Ultra 400 Chipset Motherboard for AMD Socket A CPU -$56.00
Optorite 8X DVD+RW/-RW Drive Model DD0405, $48
AMD Mobile Athlon XP 2400+, 266FSB, 512K Cache, 45 Watt- $78
SAPPHIRE ATI RADEON 9600PRO Video Card, 256MB DDR, 128-Bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP $113

extras
Thermaltake Silent Boost HSF $27.99
Aopen Keyboard $8.00

$570 before tax and shipping

I got a case that I love the looks of and is well built to boot - worth the extra $20
I got double (and better) RAM - I suppose I could have dropped down to 512MB
Mobos are more or less a wash
$20 gets me a DVD writer giving me a viable back-up option I need
My CPU / HSF combo is equal in price but is quieter and OC's better
video card: my card is $140 cheaper. I will NOT spend over $200 for a video card. If I changed anything I would save more and get the 128MB 9600 Pro or get a used 9800Pro.

It comes down to a series of choices. You would go for the pure gaming experience and I am looking for a much more balanced option - looks, noise level, multi-app capability, storage &amp; gaming.
 

BenSkywalker

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It comes down to a series of choices. You would go for the pure gaming experience and I am looking for a much more balanced option - looks, noise level, multi-app capability, storage &amp; gaming.

I understand what you are saying, just based on your initial post you were looking for a rig geared towards gaming. The system you configured wouldn't have been top of the line two years ago in that aspect, that one I did would have been king of the hill six months ago. In terms of gaming the rig you have configured quite frankly sucks, nothing against it, and it will be better then your GF3, but it isn't a good or even mediocre machine to play today's games on. You will have to scale back your resolution and details even on games that are shipping right now, forget about a year down the road or so.

For most of your concerns in terms of what you are looking for in your new rig- 512MB is going to be more then enough for pretty much everything outside of gaming. I was running 512MB for some time under XP and would regularly have a dozen to two dozen apps open at once- gaming is the only major issue where RAM is going to be a major limiting factor most of the time.

Noise- the stock cooler on the XP 2700+ is very quiet and cool. TT's HS/Fs aren't the greatest, and tend to be significantly louder then what they are rated at. I would reccomend you look elsewhere even if you don't want to change any other component in your rig. I'm currently running a Volcano11 inside of a XaserIII with a TT 420Watt PowerSupply for the record- I certainly have no bias against TT except that I have repeatedly been let down by their sub par HS/F combos.

You hadn't mentioned OCing much in your summary which is why I went with the 2700+.

The video card in the system represents the main limiting factor in gaming performance. Looking at any system that will be used for gaming the vid card setup should be the most expensive element, and by a decent margin. I can understand your hesitation at spending a decent amount of money on a vid card, but know that going with a 9600Pro you are getting performance that wasn't top of the line two years ago- it already has trouble with today's games where you have to back off the details and/or res and also you are wasting your money on a 256MB board- the R9600Pro is far too slow to utilize the additional RAM.

I would say don't take my word for it, start a poll if you would like to see which would be the better overall system. Obviously the configuration I have will slaughter the one you have for gaming, I simply don't see your configuration having any significant advantage at all.

I'm not trying to blast you or make you look bad in any way whatsoever, I simply am trying to help you get the best performing machine for your money. I understand your concerns about noise, and with using comparable setups as you have listed above you can move to the case you have selected and it brings the prices on the machines to about even. For that matter, sub out the processor I have selected for the combo you wanted(though I would advise going with something other then TT for a HS/F) and we are still talking about the same price. It really mainly comes down to a tradeoff of RAM for vid card power. I'm telling you in my estimation 512MB is going to be enough for pretty much anything you are going to throw at it outside of gaming which won't really make a difference with the 9600Pro anyway.
 

GasX

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Originally posted by: BenSkywalkerI'm not trying to blast you or make you look bad in any way whatsoever, I simply am trying to help you get the best performing machine for your money. I understand your concerns about noise, and with using comparable setups as you have listed above you can move to the case you have selected and it brings the prices on the machines to about even. For that matter, sub out the processor I have selected for the combo you wanted(though I would advise going with something other then TT for a HS/F) and we are still talking about the same price. It really mainly comes down to a tradeoff of RAM for vid card power. I'm telling you in my estimation 512MB is going to be enough for pretty much anything you are going to throw at it outside of gaming which won't really make a difference with the 9600Pro anyway.
Fair enough.... To be honest this is only my second new video card purchase. If I was true to form I would be buying a use 9800Pro or equivalent.... I am pretty sure my next card will be a used one comparable to your recommendation...

I picked the TT HSF from the sticked budget rig thread... I don't mind having a reason to change it down the line...

Cheers,

Matt