who likes the 05 corvette? lets get second opinion from expertise

[Apex]

Originally posted by: kaizersose
odd question just popped into my head...

how did the corvette lose to an NSX is a drag race? what kind of jokers did they have driving these cars?

Not so odd question. Here's the answer:

1. The corvette they used, as explained by telegraph.co.uk, had a toasted clutch, four bald tires, and damaged bodywork.

2. In Europe, they can get the NSX-R & NSX-S (not sure about NSX-S.ZERO). Top Gear reviewed the NSX-R before, and you can see it on the Stig's lap board. The NSX-R quarters in the high 12's. The NSX-S and NSX-S.ZERO do it in a few tenths of a second faster. Those times are practically neck and neck with a C6 in good condition.


Edit: Bah, bad spelling.

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN
well it is carbon fiber you know.

honestly guys, its a waste of time to argue cars on ATOT. Everyone is a brand wh0re and is blinded by marketing and non-factual opinions.

It's one think to not like a car for whatever reason, but it's another thing to bash or call it a bad car.

I don't particulary care for most Toyotas, but I've never said they are bad cars.

He's right. :thumbsup:

<---- Challenge Stradale whore :heart:

 

[TuffGuy]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
What does interior quality have to do with a car being a supercar? By that definition, Formula1 cars aren't supercars, because there is no dash to stroke. Aston Martin is a niche car maker, whose sales are are as insignificant as their cars are nice.
If you build a car with a fixed budget, you can pick to put the money into things that make the car go fast, or that make the interior look nice. How much performance would you be willing to give up to have a nicer interior?

The C5's interior is worse that my Eclipse's, and I know how much you guys LOVE to rip Mitsu.

If I'm buying a sporty car car that's twice as expensive, I expect to move UP in interior quality, not down.

Also, I expect the shifter to be AT LEAST as good and smooth as on the Eclipse - shifter (give it ~ 10min to upload on 56k)

 

[TuffGuy]

Originally posted by: NFS4
A$$ ownage of Top Gear on the C6:

We had warned them not to give the car to BBC Top Gear first because they'd wreck it, and sure enough, as a result of their antics (see tomorrow night's programme) the car went back to the workshop in Dusseldorf with a stripped clutch, four bald tyres and damaged bodywork. I was impatient to get behind the wheel at last, but I was also prepared to be disappointed.

No sh!t, they do that to every car.

That's what we EXPECT them to do, and that's what we WANT them to do. The guy WISHES he could drive like Clarkson.

 

[Turkish]

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN
well it is carbon fiber you know.

honestly guys, its a waste of time to argue cars on ATOT. Everyone is a brand wh0re and is blinded by marketing and non-factual opinions.

It's one think to not like a car for whatever reason, but it's another thing to bash or call it a bad car.

I don't particulary care for most Toyotas, but I've never said they are bad cars.

'nuff said :thumbsup: :beer:

 

[Chu]

Originally posted by: bR

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: bR
What's wrong with the Enzos interior?

The plastic looks hard

I like it hard.

jesus anyone else think that's butt ugly?

 

[yllus]

God, that Corvette sounded sexy.

Shouldn't carbon fibre 'give' in the back panels like it did in that video? So many complaints over so little.

 

hahah I love the british, always making references trying to put down the country that kicked them out.

 

[mAdD INDIAN]

Originally posted by: yllus
God, that Corvette sounded sexy.

Shouldn't carbon fibre 'give' in the back panels like it did in that video? So many complaints over so little.

I'm not sure what you mean by give? You mean when you push it in, it bends it and then pops back out?

Carbon fiber doesn't do that. It's not flexible at all, it would shatter instead, which is very bad and dangerous. That's why a lot of guys who add carbon fiber body pieces to their cars should be careful otherwise in an accident it could be VERY dangerous to anyone around the car.

 

[Squisher]

Originally posted by: Chu

Originally posted by: bR

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: bR
What's wrong with the Enzos interior?

The plastic looks hard

I like it hard.

jesus anyone else think that's butt ugly?

I swear I saw a flux capacitor in there somewhere.

 

[geno]

Meh, Clarkson is a tool, he can't appreciate a fast, purpose built car

 

[CChaos]

Tuffguy--You're again pointing out that Top Gear liked the GTO to prove they don't hate all American cars. You also mention that the GTO is really a rebadged Holden. So, does this not seem like a poor choice to support your argument?

 

[JoPh]

nice. awesome car

 

[imported_smilingcrow]

American cars have had the reputation in Europe for poor handling for such a long time, that I doubt that some people would ever believe if the situation has changed. A standing joke is that you don?t have corners, only massive freeways, so there?s no point in engineering a car to corner well.

I seem to remember the Corvette posting a fast time, but wasn?t it a pretty untidy lap? Maybe that equates to a car that is fast when pushed to the limit, but one that needs an excellent driver to get close to its limits. Some of the cars that posted similar times made it look much more effortless. Maybe they would be easier to push closer to their limits?
This is speculation on my part, but hopefully there are some non-armchair sports car enthusiasts reading, who could verify this!

I find the car interesting, as it offers something different than the European competition. If I had the moola though, I doubt it would be on my short list.

I like Clarkson?s screen style. He just takes the p^ss a lot, out of just about anything. He can be so merciless at times, that I wonder why some manufacturers still lend the program cars to test!
If it wasn?t for the humour, I wouldn?t bother watching the show regularly. There?s not much good home-grown humour on British TV, so you get it where you can.

 

[DougK62]

Originally posted by: smilingcrow
American cars have had the reputation in Europe for poor handling for such a long time, that I doubt that some people would ever believe if the situation has changed. A standing joke is that you don?t have corners, only massive freeways, so there?s no point in engineering a car to corner well.

I seem to remember the Corvette posting a fast time, but wasn?t it a pretty untidy lap? Maybe that equates to a car that is fast when pushed to the limit, but one that needs an excellent driver to get close to its limits. Some of the cars that posted similar times made it look much more effortless. Maybe they would be easier to push closer to their limits?
This is speculation on my part, but hopefully there are some non-armchair sports car enthusiasts reading, who could verify this!

Most people that lap in a Corvette and compare it to other sports cars will tell you that the Corvette is incredibly easy to drive at the limit. Many magazines have said precisely this about the C5 - I'd assume the C6 to be even better.

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: bR

Originally posted by: LikeLinus
If anyone noticed...

two spots below the Corvette was the 911 GT3!!!!

Track was wet

Thats one thing that sucks about their tests.....no consistency.

 

[TuffGuy]

Originally posted by: CChaos
Tuffguy--You're again pointing out that Top Gear liked the GTO to prove they don't hate all American cars. You also mention that the GTO is really a rebadged Holden. So, does this not seem like a poor choice to support your argument?

NO. The GTO/Monaro uses the LS1 along with its 5-speed tranny (T56?).
The drivetrain is American. The platform is American.
The difference is the interior quality, which is why they liked it.
They rip the C6 for it's poor quality, not for how it performs.

Same goes for the GT review. He loved it not only for the drivetrain, but for the interior fit &amp; finish.

Like they said in the review of the C6: "Where are they getting these plastics?"

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: smilingcrow
I seem to remember the Corvette posting a fast time, but wasn?t it a pretty untidy lap? Maybe that equates to a car that is fast when pushed to the limit, but one that needs an excellent driver to get close to its limits. Some of the cars that posted similar times made it look much more effortless. Maybe they would be easier to push closer to their limits?
This is speculation on my part, but hopefully there are some non-armchair sports car enthusiasts reading, who could verify this!

If it was an untidy lap, maybe it had something to do with the bald tires and a stripped clutch?

Also, from a previous post (not mine) here on ATOT:

Top Gear had the C6 on Sunday's programme and all they could moan about was the interior plastic quality and the fact that it had leaf springs (yawn). Clarkson then went on to show how flexible the rear panel was over the lights, completely failing to realise that the whole panel is impact absorbing anyway The car they were supplied with has the Magnetic Active Ride system yet they seemed not to have noticed as they complained that the ride quality was poor, yet it was the same car the Telegraph were given and they were complimentary.

They did a drag race betwen the C6, NSX, 911 Carrera 2 and TVR 350C. Now, on face value, the 350C walked it with the NSX beating the C6 to the tape (911 was nowhere) but watching it back a few times, there are shots of the C6 neck and neck with the TVR included momentarily, with no signs of the NSX, and shots of the C6 and NSX crossing the line together, the NSX having also jumped the start by a good 0.5 secs ('vette took off last) which means to say that they've edited the whole thing together to suit themselves.

Some people on Pistonheads forum were there and apparently the drag race was filmed numerous times, and also with a C6 that the crew had already ruined the clutch, damaged the bodywork and stripped the tyres of tread

It still put in an excellent lap time on their track, beating the 350C, the new Exige, the 911 GT3 and only narrowly missing out on the Evo FQ330 and Gallardos times. They even had to admit that the chassis was excellent.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: TuffGuy
NO. The GTO/Monaro uses the LS1 along with its 5-speed tranny (T56?).
The drivetrain is American. The platform is American.
The difference is the interior quality, which is why they liked it.
They rip the C6 for it's poor quality, not for how it performs.

Same goes for the GT review. He loved it not only for the drivetrain, but for the interior fit &amp; finish.

Like they said in the review of the C6: "Where are they getting these plastics?"

I dont know about you, but the interior isnt worth an extra 2K to me, never mind 20K.

 

[TuffGuy]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: TuffGuy
NO. The GTO/Monaro uses the LS1 along with its 5-speed tranny (T56?).
The drivetrain is American. The platform is American.
The difference is the interior quality, which is why they liked it.
They rip the C6 for it's poor quality, not for how it performs.

Same goes for the GT review. He loved it not only for the drivetrain, but for the interior fit &amp; finish.

Like they said in the review of the C6: "Where are they getting these plastics?"

I dont know about you, but the interior isnt worth an extra 2K to me, never mind 20K.

Compare the interior of the GTO, a $30k car, with that of the C6, a $45k car.

Also, you don't have the option of paying $2k for a better interior. You pay already pay a premium, but you don't get a better interior. You get ripped off, and GM makes a larger profit.

 

[TuffGuy]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: smilingcrow
I seem to remember the Corvette posting a fast time, but wasn?t it a pretty untidy lap? Maybe that equates to a car that is fast when pushed to the limit, but one that needs an excellent driver to get close to its limits. Some of the cars that posted similar times made it look much more effortless. Maybe they would be easier to push closer to their limits?
This is speculation on my part, but hopefully there are some non-armchair sports car enthusiasts reading, who could verify this!

If it was an untidy lap, maybe it had something to do with the bald tires and a stripped clutch?

Also, from a previous post (not mine) here on ATOT:

Top Gear had the C6 on Sunday's programme and all they could moan about was the interior plastic quality and the fact that it had leaf springs (yawn). Clarkson then went on to show how flexible the rear panel was over the lights, completely failing to realise that the whole panel is impact absorbing anyway The car they were supplied with has the Magnetic Active Ride system yet they seemed not to have noticed as they complained that the ride quality was poor, yet it was the same car the Telegraph were given and they were complimentary.

They did a drag race betwen the C6, NSX, 911 Carrera 2 and TVR 350C. Now, on face value, the 350C walked it with the NSX beating the C6 to the tape (911 was nowhere) but watching it back a few times, there are shots of the C6 neck and neck with the TVR included momentarily, with no signs of the NSX, and shots of the C6 and NSX crossing the line together, the NSX having also jumped the start by a good 0.5 secs ('vette took off last) which means to say that they've edited the whole thing together to suit themselves.

Some people on Pistonheads forum were there and apparently the drag race was filmed numerous times, and also with a C6 that the crew had already ruined the clutch, damaged the bodywork and stripped the tyres of tread

It still put in an excellent lap time on their track, beating the 350C, the new Exige, the 911 GT3 and only narrowly missing out on the Evo FQ330 and Gallardos times. They even had to admit that the chassis was excellent.

That's kind of contradictory. It can't go fast straight with a "stripped" clutch and yet it can go fast around a track? WTF?

Also, I don't think that a high-performance clutch should wear out that fast, if it even did. They've had numerous other cars on that track, and nobody else complained about stripped clutches, bald tires, or damaged bodywork. Which seemed fine in the studio, so it makes me wonder exactly what was "damaged". Is that why the bumper flexed like that?

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: TuffGuy
NO. The GTO/Monaro uses the LS1 along with its 5-speed tranny (T56?).
The drivetrain is American. The platform is American.
The difference is the interior quality, which is why they liked it.
They rip the C6 for it's poor quality, not for how it performs.

Same goes for the GT review. He loved it not only for the drivetrain, but for the interior fit &amp; finish.

Like they said in the review of the C6: "Where are they getting these plastics?"

I dont know about you, but the interior isnt worth an extra 2K to me, never mind 20K.

Compare the interior of the GTO, a $30k car, with that of the C6, a $45k car.

Also, you don't have the option of paying $2k for a better interior. You pay already pay a premium, but you don't get a better interior. You get ripped off, and GM makes a larger profit.

What car, for 45K, delivers the performance of the 'Vette? Along with the potential? And the GTO lacks the performance of the 'Vette.

 

[TuffGuy]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: TuffGuy
NO. The GTO/Monaro uses the LS1 along with its 5-speed tranny (T56?).
The drivetrain is American. The platform is American.
The difference is the interior quality, which is why they liked it.
They rip the C6 for it's poor quality, not for how it performs.

Same goes for the GT review. He loved it not only for the drivetrain, but for the interior fit &amp; finish.

Like they said in the review of the C6: "Where are they getting these plastics?"

I dont know about you, but the interior isnt worth an extra 2K to me, never mind 20K.

Compare the interior of the GTO, a $30k car, with that of the C6, a $45k car.

Also, you don't have the option of paying $2k for a better interior. You pay already pay a premium, but you don't get a better interior. You get ripped off, and GM makes a larger profit.

What car, for 45K, delivers the performance of the 'Vette? Along with the potential? And the GTO lacks the performance of the 'Vette.

The Evo and the Sti, for $30k.

 

[vi edit]

When GM dumps the LS2 in the GTO and can trim about 400 pounds off of it you'll have a very good argument.

 

[imported_smilingcrow]

I was going to buy the new Corvette, then I noticed that the ash trays weren?t designed by Philippe Starck, so I?m gonna stick with my Beetle, which has such a nice colour coordinated dash-mounted vase.