who likes the 05 corvette? lets get second opinion from expertise

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: TuffGuy
That's kind of contradictory. It can't go fast straight with a "stripped" clutch and yet it can go fast around a track? WTF?

Also, I don't think that a high-performance clutch should wear out that fast, if it even did. They've had numerous other cars on that track, and nobody else complained about stripped clutches, bald tires, or damaged bodywork. Which seemed fine in the studio, so it makes me wonder exactly what was "damaged". Is that why the bumper flexed like that?

The bumper is made to flex like that. Anyway, according to the Telegraph article: "We had warned them not to give the car to BBC Top Gear first because they'd wreck it, and sure enough, as a result of their antics (see tomorrow night's programme) the car went back to the workshop in Dusseldorf with a stripped clutch, four bald tyres and damaged bodywork. I was impatient to get behind the wheel at last, but I was also prepared to be disappointed." So, I'm not sure exactly how bad the clutch was screwed up, I'm just quoting what I read about the condition of the car when they were done with it.

Being European, they probably did burnouts all morning just finding out what that "low-end torque" thing is that they've heard about 😛. Seriously, in their position, I'd have been doing burnouts all day, since I'm never going to be seeing the car again. And that's one sure method to make the (rear) tires go bald quickly.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: TuffGuy
Compare the interior of the GTO, a $30k car, with that of the C6, a $45k car.

Also, you don't have the option of paying $2k for a better interior. You pay already pay a premium, but you don't get a better interior. You get ripped off, and GM makes a larger profit.

What car, for 45K, delivers the performance of the 'Vette? Along with the potential? And the GTO lacks the performance of the 'Vette.

The Evo and the Sti, for $30k.

Notice the word "potential"? They're already heavily tuned. Sure, you can make more HP, but it's not going to be nearly as cheap and easy as on the NA LS2.

 

[TuffGuy]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: TuffGuy
Compare the interior of the GTO, a $30k car, with that of the C6, a $45k car.

Also, you don't have the option of paying $2k for a better interior. You pay already pay a premium, but you don't get a better interior. You get ripped off, and GM makes a larger profit.

What car, for 45K, delivers the performance of the 'Vette? Along with the potential? And the GTO lacks the performance of the 'Vette.

The Evo and the Sti, for $30k.

Notice the word "potential"? They're already heavily tuned. Sure, you can make more HP, but it's not going to be nearly as cheap and easy as on the NA LS2.

potential

 

[TuffGuy]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: TuffGuy
That's kind of contradictory. It can't go fast straight with a "stripped" clutch and yet it can go fast around a track? WTF?

Also, I don't think that a high-performance clutch should wear out that fast, if it even did. They've had numerous other cars on that track, and nobody else complained about stripped clutches, bald tires, or damaged bodywork. Which seemed fine in the studio, so it makes me wonder exactly what was "damaged". Is that why the bumper flexed like that?

The bumper is made to flex like that. Anyway, according to the Telegraph article: "We had warned them not to give the car to BBC Top Gear first because they'd wreck it, and sure enough, as a result of their antics (see tomorrow night's programme) the car went back to the workshop in Dusseldorf with a stripped clutch, four bald tyres and damaged bodywork. I was impatient to get behind the wheel at last, but I was also prepared to be disappointed." So, I'm not sure exactly how bad the clutch was screwed up, I'm just quoting what I read about the condition of the car when they were done with it.

Being European, they probably did burnouts all morning just finding out what that "low-end torque" thing is that they've heard about 😛. Seriously, in their position, I'd have been doing burnouts all day, since I'm never going to be seeing the car again. And that's one sure method to make the (rear) tires go bald quickly.

But they do that to EVERY car, and nobody else complains about it or uses it as an excuse.

Sure, the bumpers were "designed" to flex like that. Not many cars' bumpers flex like that. So it's either because the C6's bumpers are so well designed that they're ahead of everyone else, or because they're cheap.

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: Mookow
What car, for 45K, delivers the performance of the 'Vette? Along with the potential? And the GTO lacks the performance of the 'Vette.

The Evo and the Sti, for $30k.

I would add the Lotus Elise to that list.

 

[dbk]

C6 looks sweeeeeeeeeeet.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: Mookow
Notice the word "potential"? They're already heavily tuned. Sure, you can make more HP, but it's not going to be nearly as cheap and easy as on the NA LS2.

potential

Gee, and all you have to do is run it at 20psi.

 

[TuffGuy]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: Mookow
Notice the word "potential"? They're already heavily tuned. Sure, you can make more HP, but it's not going to be nearly as cheap and easy as on the NA LS2.

potential

Gee, and all you have to do is run it at 20psi.

That's what it runs at STOCK.

A stock Evo with less than $1500 in mods can do 12.00 in the quarter mile.

 

[mAdD INDIAN]

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: Mookow
What car, for 45K, delivers the performance of the 'Vette? Along with the potential? And the GTO lacks the performance of the 'Vette.

The Evo and the Sti, for $30k.

I would add the Lotus Elise to that list.

I don't think the STi and EVO are as fast as the Corvette...but they are more practical though..it's a tradeoff

Either way we win, with choices like C6, EVO, STi, SRT-4, MINI, SE-R, G35, GTO, Elise, etc.. there are choices for everyone!

 

[Ninjja]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: desiplaya4life

Originally posted by: SuperTool
If the Brits are such car experts, how come their auto industry is owned by Ford, VW, and a Russian millionaire? 😀

ok buddy in auto industry there are two things that makes a company stand out


engineering/ technology
being unbelievably rich

ford OWNS aston martin but ford does not design, create new tech for aston martin... infact its vice versa.. you willl always hear ford borrowing tech. from its companies like jaguar, aston to be put in ford/lincoln vehicles (chasis, suspension, tranny i see all the time)



aston, porsche, ferrari, tvr are all small companies (meaning not nationally global, affordable, and upper class)

gm, ford, honda, toyota are all over the world commercializing their production to every kind of consumer out there (low, mid, high class) thats why they earn more profits and be able to buy other small subsidary companies.

i dunno how to explain this right now (3am in the morning being the reason) but think of it as public vs. a private school..


hope this explains

Or maybe GM can build a supercar for $50K that the Brittish can't build for under $100K, so they have to resort to dashstroking and leafstring bashing to preserve some national pride. Seriously, who in their right mind is going to stroke the dashboard of their car to hear what it sounds like? When you buy a corvette, you want your money going into the chassis, the motor, and the tranny, not padding for the dashboard in case some moron decides to stroke it. It's not a camry, it's a frikken Vette.
Americans 0wn their car industry 😀 Isn't half of Jaguar's lineup just a bunch of rebadged ford mondeos?

British. One t.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: Ninjja
British. One t.

Ninja. One j.


😛

 

[imported_smilingcrow]

I can vaguely understand why people become AMD or Intel bores, as at least they probably own the product that they blabber on about irrationally.
But, getting attached to a car that you don?t own and likely never will, seems plain cretinous to me.

So, some limey car reviewer takes the p^ss out of the dash on the beloved new Corvette. You know something, that?s what he?s paid to do. That?s why he earns enough to have owned Ferraris and has a new Ford GT on order. It?s called ?aving a bit of a laugh, back home in Blighty (The UK). It?s not meant to be taken too seriously, go sniff some petrol fumes and lighten up. Just don?t misread that last bit as ?light up? though. 🙂

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: SuperTool
What does interior quality have to do with a car being a supercar? By that definition, Formula1 cars aren't supercars, because there is no dash to stroke. 😀 Aston Martin is a niche car maker, whose sales are are as insignificant as their cars are nice.
If you build a car with a fixed budget, you can pick to put the money into things that make the car go fast, or that make the interior look nice. How much performance would you be willing to give up to have a nicer interior?

The C5's interior is worse that my Eclipse's, and I know how much you guys LOVE to rip Mitsu.

If I'm buying a sporty car car that's twice as expensive, I expect to move UP in interior quality, not down.

Also, I expect the shifter to be AT LEAST as good and smooth as on the Eclipse - shifter (give it ~ 10min to upload on 56k)

:Werd: I would expect that too but GM has an obsession with hard plastic interiors. 🙁

 

[TuffGuy]

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: Mookow
What car, for 45K, delivers the performance of the 'Vette? Along with the potential? And the GTO lacks the performance of the 'Vette.

The Evo and the Sti, for $30k.

I would add the Lotus Elise to that list.

I don't think the STi and EVO are as fast as the Corvette...but they are more practical though..it's a tradeoff

Either way we win, with choices like C6, EVO, STi, SRT-4, MINI, SE-R, G35, GTO, Elise, etc.. there are choices for everyone!

It was faster than the C6 around the track, and I know that it will do 12.00 and lower with $1500 in mods.

But yeah, it's a great time to be a car enthusiast. 😎

 

[imported_smilingcrow]

Originally posted by: Chadder007

Originally posted by: bR

Originally posted by: LikeLinus
If anyone noticed...

two spots below the Corvette was the 911 GT3!!!!

Track was wet 😛

Thats one thing that sucks about their tests.....no consistency.

That?s the Brits for you. They have no basic fundamental control over their weather; don?t do dentistry; or realise how vital it is that you keep your fizzy drinks as close to absolute zero at all times. What do they actually do on that small island with windy roads, apart from stroke their moustaches and dashboards?

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: smilingcrow
That?s the Brits for you. They have no basic fundamental control over their weather; don?t do dentistry; or realise how vital it is that you keep your fizzy drinks as close to absolute zero at all times. What do they actually do on that small island with windy roads, apart from stroke their moustaches and dashboards?

Well, I'm not sure if I can add to that list or not... is "moustache" slang for something over there in England?

 

[imported_smilingcrow]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: smilingcrow
That?s the Brits for you. They have no basic fundamental control over their weather; don?t do dentistry; or realise how vital it is that you keep your fizzy drinks as close to absolute zero at all times. What do they actually do on that small island with windy roads, apart from stroke their moustaches and dashboards?

Well, I'm not sure if I can add to that list or not... is "moustache" slang for something over there in England?

Well they are awfully fond of their manual shift sticks over there?

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN
well it is carbon fiber you know. 😛

honestly guys, its a waste of time to argue cars on ATOT. Everyone is a brand wh0re and is blinded by marketing and non-factual opinions.

It's one think to not like a car for whatever reason, but it's another thing to bash or call it a bad car.

I don't particulary care for most Toyotas, but I've never said they are bad cars.

Damn, first time anyone has pointed that out but I think we've all felt this at some time or the other

 

[toant103]

Originally posted by: Gurck
:thumbsdown: 52kbyte down

350 KB/sec for me

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: smilingcrow

Originally posted by: Mookow
Well, I'm not sure if I can add to that list or not... is "moustache" slang for something over there in England?

Well they are awfully fond of their manual shift sticks over there?

Of course, they were complaining that they had to move the shifter on the C6 much farther than they were used to... hmmmm.

 

[desiplaya4life]

damn did not know i would see this many ATOT's respond to this thread...

no time to read other to say one thing... i hope u enjoyed the video... for $45k i would have to complain about cheap fiberglass and the suspension... if u saw that video the traction sucked.. overall i give the new corvette a B+

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
well these are the guys that said the ford gt got 4 miles to the gallon or whatever.. without bothering to note that was at extreme speeds😛 have a slight anti american bias.

clarkson BOUGHT a ford gt.

watch the ford gt review, the holden monaro (pontiac gto) review and then watch the c6 review.

i have those eps on my hd😛 all that are avaliable too. its just that they have a tendency to throw out a half truth which sounds quite negative for sh*ts and giggles, and just let it stand. its annoying.

 

[Munkies123]

i would like to see them them test a car of closer price like a freakin viper. i would like to see who wins then

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Chu

Originally posted by: bR

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: bR
What's wrong with the Enzos interior? 😕

The plastic looks hard 😀

I like it hard. 😉 😀

jesus anyone else think that's butt ugly?

No, it's got a Ferrari emblem on the steering wheel. Italy determines what the word beautiful means; they dictate style.

The C6 is a great American car. In the global scale, it's not quite up to par in general, but makes it up in performance. The big deal about the cheap plastics and bendy rear end is that it makes you wonder what else GM has cheaped out on. Corvette's have always had crap interiors, as have most American cars. From that review, I'd give the Corvette a B+. If I were actually in that market, which I probably will be in a year or two, I'd go for either a BMW M3, a Viper, or a 2005 SVT Lighting w/ 500hp. The 'vette just never has done it for me.