Who lifts weights here?

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Creatine works great but be careful of your connecting tissues (tendons and ligaments) You might find yourself with a bad caae of tendinitis or in my case a herniated disc. Of course you aren't an old fart like me so you might not be as acceptable to those injuries.

Prior to taking Creatine the last time I was doing 3 sets of 275X8 on the bench. During the end of my cycle I was up to 3 sets of 315x8... then my back and my shoulder started acting up. Backs OK now but my left shoulder is still tender.

Creatine or not, that happens anytime old farts like us make fast gains.

Actually, it happens anytime someone with a fair amount of strength does.

Usually, the first to go for me is not the muscle I'm working, but some weaker stabilizing muscle. It's the downside to making gains... there is a risk of injury everytime.

And it's a lesson on why muscular balance is so important.

 

[StageLeft]

Amused is right on both his program and supplements. Most of the sups out there are a waste of money, or worse. The biggest, leanest, strongest guys got there with hardwork and not much else (unless they are steroidal, in which case it's normally hardwork and roids).

[And even that routine is not conducive to maximum growth.

The best split is something like this:

Mon: Chest and tris
Tue: Back
Wed: Off
Thur: Legs
Fri: Shoulders and bis

I've tried a lot over the years and for me I've not felt that a 7 day rest between a muscle group was optimal for me. Maybe I could have jacked the volume up significantly with my workouts, but what I do these days is generally re-hit a muscle group every 72-96 hours (though only 6 sets per muscle). I split upperbody into two workouts, doing almost no lower. I continue to lift heavy and frequently and have lost little, if any strength, but I'm big time into endurance cardio training now, so the only thing I do for legs is stiff legged deadlifts (more for lower back, though).

I think it's something a person should experiment with. I made great gains as a beginner doing 12 sets per muscle group, repeating every 48 hours. I was in the gym for about 90 minutes day after day (I had not heard the term overtraining very much at that point). I was 16 and not even eating much protein and still getting serious muscle (all I can remember doing back then was lifting weights and drinking apple juice). THe good old days Best gains I've ever made over, say, 2 months were when I was 18 and had a 3-day split, repeating a muscle group every 5 days. I was on creatine and eating like a horse and sleeping 10 hours/day.

Considering how slowly muscle goes on my body and how quickly I respond to cardio training, I really think I'm just more built for that than weights, but after a decade+ of lifting them, I have no intention of losing my gains, even as meager as they may be, so I do my best to keep the beach muscle.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Amused is right on both his program and supplements. Most of the sups out there are a waste of money, or worse. The biggest, leanest, strongest guys got there with hardwork and not much else (unless they are steroidal, in which case it's normally hardwork and roids).

[And even that routine is not conducive to maximum growth.

The best split is something like this:

Mon: Chest and tris
Tue: Back
Wed: Off
Thur: Legs
Fri: Shoulders and bis

I've tried a lot over the years and for me I've not felt that a 7 day rest between a muscle group was optimal for me. Maybe I could have jacked the volume up significantly with my workouts, but what I do these days is generally re-hit a muscle group every 72-96 hours (though only 6 sets per muscle). I split upperbody into two workouts, doing almost no lower. I continue to lift heavy and frequently and have lost little, if any strength, but I'm big time into endurance cardio training now, so the only thing I do for legs is stiff legged deadlifts (more for lower back, though).

I think it's something a person should experiment with. I made great gains as a beginner doing 12 sets per muscle group, repeating every 48 hours. I was in the gym for about 90 minutes day after day (I had not heard the term overtraining very much at that point). I was 16 and not even eating much protein and still getting serious muscle (all I can remember doing back then was lifting weights and drinking apple juice). THe good old days Best gains I've ever made over, say, 2 months were when I was 18 and had a 3-day split, repeating a muscle group every 5 days. I was on creatine and eating like a horse and sleeping 10 hours/day.

Considering how slowly muscle goes on my body and how quickly I respond to cardio training, I really think I'm just more built for that than weights, but after a decade+ of lifting them, I have no intention of losing my gains, even as meager as they may be, so I do my best to keep the beach muscle.

As I said in an above post, it's all about intensity. Not volume, sets or reps, which should all be minimized.

Anyone who fails to see gains is not giving the correct amount of intensity to each set.

 

[Cdubneeddeal]

Originally posted by: Kyle

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
Here's a couple pics after a month of working out (Been out of the gym for nearly a year). Still a work in progress.

Hey-
Just an observation- and it may just be the angle- but it seems that your left arm is a lot smaller than the right arm...might want to switch it to dumbbells if you've been using a bar bell. Start left arm- if you can only do 5 reps, then only do 5 with the right even if you could do more to even it all out...I've seen some of my friends get really lop sided and it ends up looking pretty bad.

but like I said it might just be the angle of the pic.

Kyle,

Yeah..it's just the angle of the pic. Most of my exercises are done with dumbells rather than barbells.

 

[Special K]

Originally posted by: newbiepcuser

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
This is what i've been taking for a week now. Best stuff i've ever tried. My employees and I bought a bottle each from a seller on eBay on Saturday. I have just been buying the single dose packets until the bottles arrive.

Welcome to bitch tits... if it's even working at all.

I'd stay away from pro-hormones. Most are crap, and the ones that do work must be used wisely, or you'll end up with a c-cup.

Not something for the beginner or mere hobbyist.

I don't believe its pro-hormone. Its natural testerone booster, if you look at the ingredients it has wild yams and some studies have shown it has boost testerone levels. So its unlikely he would get "bitch tits" /gyno. Test boosters work for some and none for others. Worse can happen, Mr. Winky gets Happier quicker and some back acne.

There are legal pro-harmones but those usually require PCT afterwards, and thats where a lot of people forget to do, thus bitch tits, damage to liver, etc. Also the FDA is banning pro-harmones left and right.

Stick to good diet, maybe some of the new Creatine CEE, whey protein such as Optimum nutrition or Dynamtize brand.

Plenty of sleep also.

Good luck.

Do you have a link to a study demonstrating that wild yams boost testosterone levels? I looked on Pubmed and was unable to find any.

 

[Spamela]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Amused is right on both his program and supplements. Most of the sups out there are a waste of money, or worse. The biggest, leanest, strongest guys got there with hardwork and not much else (unless they are steroidal, in which case it's normally hardwork and roids).

[And even that routine is not conducive to maximum growth.

The best split is something like this:

Mon: Chest and tris
Tue: Back
Wed: Off
Thur: Legs
Fri: Shoulders and bis

I've tried a lot over the years and for me I've not felt that a 7 day rest between a muscle group was optimal for me. Maybe I could have jacked the volume up significantly with my workouts, but what I do these days is generally re-hit a muscle group every 72-96 hours (though only 6 sets per muscle). I split upperbody into two workouts, doing almost no lower. I continue to lift heavy and frequently and have lost little, if any strength, but I'm big time into endurance cardio training now, so the only thing I do for legs is stiff legged deadlifts (more for lower back, though).

I think it's something a person should experiment with. I made great gains as a beginner doing 12 sets per muscle group, repeating every 48 hours. I was in the gym for about 90 minutes day after day (I had not heard the term overtraining very much at that point). I was 16 and not even eating much protein and still getting serious muscle (all I can remember doing back then was lifting weights and drinking apple juice). THe good old days Best gains I've ever made over, say, 2 months were when I was 18 and had a 3-day split, repeating a muscle group every 5 days. I was on creatine and eating like a horse and sleeping 10 hours/day.

Considering how slowly muscle goes on my body and how quickly I respond to cardio training, I really think I'm just more built for that than weights, but after a decade+ of lifting them, I have no intention of losing my gains, even as meager as they may be, so I do my best to keep the beach muscle.

As I said in an above post, it's all about intensity. Not volume, sets or reps, which should all be minimized.

Anyone who fails to see gains is not giving the correct amount of intensity to each set.

you're right about diet & form & i agree most supplements
aren't worth the money, but i'd qualify the lifting routine
philosophy with "this is what i do & it works for me. YMMV"

in my experience a lifter needs to experiment a little amongst
the reasonably sane programs to find one that works.
even then, most people need to change it every few months.

 

[JDrake]

I do

 

[j00fek]

Originally posted by: CadetLee
I do, but I'm far from an expert.

same, i just lift take my clout and lift more. read a lil bit on bodybuilding.com for new lifts/routines.