Who isn't paying "their fair share"?
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blackangst1
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Even monkeys won't play games that are unfair. I think the left is very unwise not to see that the folk on the right think like monkeys. When I put my monkey cap on, I see, not folk who have to spend all they make to make others rich, but folk who are getting welfare and the perks of being an American, without contributing anything.
I say we do a couple of things. Nobody gets anything for nothing, that a job be given to every person, a job of some kind or another, and that from the proceeds of that job each person contribute something. This will not only provide more money to fatten the already haves, but eliminate dependent thinking. The function of government is to promote the general welfare and guaranteed work is how to do it. The body can't survive without sustenance and work is the means to that. The mind can't survive without concern for others, so some mandatory income taxes are the cure for that.
It makes little difference that folk pay taxes on stuff they buy if the money is stolen anyway.
I say we do a couple of things. Nobody gets anything for nothing, that a job be given to every person, a job of some kind or another, and that from the proceeds of that job each person contribute something. This will not only provide more money to fatten the already haves, but eliminate dependent thinking. The function of government is to promote the general welfare and guaranteed work is how to do it. The body can't survive without sustenance and work is the means to that. The mind can't survive without concern for others, so some mandatory income taxes are the cure for that.
It makes little difference that folk pay taxes on stuff they buy if the money is stolen anyway.
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fair share would be that people who make more in income pay at least the same in % terms as those who make less income than them (that's vertical fairness). the US income tax system is a giant failure at this aspect.
fair share is also that those people who make the same in income each pay the same % (that's horizontal fairness). the US income tax system is a giant failure at this aspect.
there is another 'fairness' of not warping choices. the US income tax system is also a giant failure at this aspect.
fair share is also that those people who make the same in income each pay the same % (that's horizontal fairness). the US income tax system is a giant failure at this aspect.
there is another 'fairness' of not warping choices. the US income tax system is also a giant failure at this aspect.
Praxis1452
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Fairness in the mind of most liberals is equality, however it is not equality in principle. Equality in principle would suggest that everyone must be made equal by the government. This if of course a view that most, including liberals, would reject. Rather it's about the degree of equality that liberals are about. In this way fairness is not based on any principle, just that the middle and lower classes through democracy feel that they can acquire wealth by taking it from those better off than them. This is in many ways just a property of democracy.
What??? You seriously believe that. Those that work and make the most have to subsidies the fat and lazy?
That's complete bullshit. Do you know what freedom is? Or is Red Dawn your name because you'd rather be living in old Communist Russia?
Those that use the most social services should pay the most FOR those services. The "rich and middle class" do not use those services so why should they front the bill for them? Because they can afford it? That doesn't mean they should have to pay it. That's like saying that when they go to Best Buy they should buy everyone there a 52" HDTV because they can afford to. It's not there responsibility to make sure others survive or do well. But I'm sure you understand that the wealth and rich "dodge" taxes by making deductions for charitable donations. The money they pay in donations far out weighs the tax deductions they get. Supporting those that are less fortunate than you should be a choice not a demand.
Nobody gets anything for nothing is what we need to change to, not that there is no such thing as getting something for nothing. Yes 45% are getting something for nothing and that's not fair to monkeys. I want to change that so that everybody gives something right after everybody has a job, and must work for something.
Praxis1452
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They should be treated equal by the government as anybody else.
To say that those who benefit the most should pay the most is circular logic. You've defined benefiting the most as making the most money. If you had defined benefiting the most as say, the people who gain the most while paying the least taxes, the poor should pay the most... with money they don't have. You basically said: "Those who make the most money in America should pay the most". A flat tax would make this true. You need to explain why the taxation rate needs to be progressive, which really just boils down to people wanting what they didn't earn. Of course, I would readily admit that anytime government and business mix, businessmen often take what they don't earn as well.
Why is it complete bull shit? What kind of asshole are you that you do not realize it is everybody's responsibility to see to the welfare of others. Where were you hiding when ethics and morality were passed out? How did you get to be so brain dead as not to see you can never be happy if others are in misery? How could you possibly even imagine you can ever be safe in a world full of the hungry. It's not a choice or a demand, it's an imperative and the government is the proper organ with which to best do it. Only it can muster the needed resources.
When you create a cut throat world of competition, people will never volunteer to give enough to make the difference that's needed.
The only fair thing is to have a flat tax. How much more fair can you get? Welfare and such should be taxed like everybody and make it a flat rate like 40%.
I know, thats not fair. /boggle.
I know, thats not fair. /boggle.
I agree however how come our income tax continues to be more progressive in the past 30 years yet the gap is growing at ever faster rates? 50 Years ago the bottom ring paid 22% of their income to the govt. Today it is effectively 0% and it isnt the bottom ring, more like the bottom half of the glass.
Red Dawn
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No it's not bullshit. If the Wealthy paid less and the unfortunate were forced to pay more there wouldn't be enough money for Society to function let alone enough money left for the Middle Class and under to use to buy products or services that help line the Wealthy's pockets.
The fact that 45% of the population pays absolutely no income taxes is fairly disgusting. What must we do to get that number down to something reasonable, perhaps as low as 10-20% of the population?
IMO, the entire tax-system should be re-worked. I would even place it higher than healthcare and warfare on my priorities list.
IMO, the entire tax-system should be re-worked. I would even place it higher than healthcare and warfare on my priorities list.
Raise the top marginal rates back to those in the 1950s, you know, the good old days of meat, potatoes, and the missionary position.
1950's : 91%
Today: 35%
1950's : 91%
Today: 35%
Thank you for not even trying to address my question and instead bantor on about the rich owning multiple homes.
Why is it our progressive tax system has become more progressive, especially in the past 30 years, yet the gap continues to widen? We have effectively lopped off nearly 50% of workers from paying federal income taxes and put a larger burden on a small % to pay it all yet the gap continues to grow?
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