Who is entitled to what

[dave_the_nerd]

My mom wouldn't let me work fast food. I got a job at a video store instead.

 

[thraashman]

I don't care about anything else, but the black guy employer in that video has an awesome voice. He needs to be a voice over guy or be on the radio or something. That voice would totally convince me to buy something or see a movie!

 

[waggy]

You are going to make your kid get a job? The horror of it all, what is the world coming to.

A small family owned business I used to work at, one of the supervisors made his son work there during the summer. The kid was like 12 years old and sweeping floors.

Someone must have called the labor board, some people showed up from the state and saw the kid sweeping the floors. The people from the state said the kid should not be working because he was like 12 years old.

lol

i started working on my Grandpa's & my dads car lot at 12. i was sweeping the lot, changing license plates, washing cars etc. good parts was i was paid $10 an hour and got to drive around the lot!

not bad for a kid. it payed for all my video games and a very nice bike.

 

[IronWing]

LOL- unions ruined my city. For 50 years people here didn't care much about college because they would all go work for the car manufacturer here in town because the unions forced the company to pay $25/hr w/ full health coverage for jobs like pushing a button or sorting screws. The economy crashed, the company was restructured, and now those uneducated workers are making $12/hr or they're unemployed. The unions had no more pull since there wasn't any money left.

Now we have some of the highest unemployment in the state, the city isn't getting tax $'s for repairs or public programs, and we're loaded with uneducated/unskilled workers with no place to go.

So with the strong union you had good wages, high employment, and tax revenues pouring in. With the union weakened you got lousy wages, high unemployment, and crumbling infrastructure. Sounds like strong unions are the key to prosperity.

 

[OlafSicky]

lol

i started working on my Grandpa's & my dads car lot at 12. i was sweeping the lot, changing license plates, washing cars etc. good parts was i was paid $10 an hour and got to drive around the lot!

not bad for a kid. it payed for all my video games and a very nice bike.

At least you had to work for it. Most kids think they should just get these things and if they break they should get new ones.

 

[waggy]

At least you had to work for it. Most kids think they should just get these things and if they break they should get new ones.

i had a ton of games and systems. but i worked for them. neither my dad or step dad would just buy crap for me. well not other then my birthday/christmas.

though thinking about it my step dad did buy me a datsun 260Z at 16..heh

 

[momeNt]

Tax companies the amount of money they could be using for jobs but instead keep as profit, and give those taxes to the unemployed.

/unemployment_solved

 

[highland145]

Tax companies the amount of money they could be using for jobs but instead keep as profit, and give those taxes to the unemployed.

/company dissolved.

ftfy.

 

[jhu]

okay, maybe I was being too literal. I'm talking about taking responsibility for your actions and for your current state. It's not my fault if he's bored. It's not my fault if he broke a rule and got his computer taken away. It's not my fault if I offer some extra jobs around the house to earn money but he decides not to do them. It's not my fault that he slacked off in class and didn't pass. Those are the responsibilities I'm referring to.

My 15 year old son has already been told that next summer (16 years old) he will be applying to Sonic, Arby's and a slew of other places to get a summer job. Burger flipping is not beneath him (nor was it for me when I worked at Hardee's for two years).

Hmm... I got whatever I wanted (almost) as long as I got good grades. I once got a job at McDonald's in high school. My dad was furious. "I gave you a credit card for a reason!" he yelled. They had high expectations for us, and I think they're lucky I turned out fine.

 

[momeNt]

ftfy.

Profit has been defined as evil in our current society. See Mitt Romney with Bain Capital trying to find the most profitable strategy for companies. Plenty of other examples like looking down on fatties for buying doritos instead of quinoa and flax because they are trying to save money. Trying to save money isn't American anymore.

How often do you hear "Companies sitting on piles of cash on the sidelines" it's meant to instill a distrust and hatred of corporations.

It may just be better to tax all their profit for unemployment, and if they dissolve, put them in control of the government. At least its popularly elected and people trust that.

 

[Fritzo]

So with the strong union you had good wages, high employment, and tax revenues pouring in. With the union weakened you got lousy wages, high unemployment, and crumbling infrastructure. Sounds like strong unions are the key to prosperity.

No, the company folded BECAUSE of the unions...they couldn't sustain the wages and healthcare anymore. The unions kept demanding more and more of a resource earning less and less, then it imploded.

 

[yottabit]

"Who is entitled to what"

No one to anything

 

[Exterous]

I know, you are right and I just can't understand it. I go round and round on the cause, and I still can't nail it down. I think it may be a combination of media (social and otherwise), higher standards of living and the school system. But I'm just stabbing in the dark.

I think cultural and parenting issues have a lot to do with it. You almost always value something more if you actually have to work for it yet we want to give to our children as much as possible. Its a road paved with good intentions as parents want their kids to have a better life - to not deal with the struggles and hardships they did. Unfortunately it leads to expectations of being able to receive things with little or no work as thats all the kids have ever known.

IMO that leads to a compounding of the issue. Good parenting is hard and takes constant work. If we have a generation that no longer expects to ever work hard how good is the parenting going to be?

We also have thins thing where we don't like to teach any kid of personal finances to kids. I don't get that at all - it really should be a required high school class.

So the one lady says something to the effect of "you have to always give your all to this job" and then the contruction foreman adds "... and then some"

What? Fuck you, asshole. You're not "entitled" to me doing more than giving everything I have to this job.

Heh yeah - there is literally nothing more you could give so it sounds like an unreasonable expectation to me

At least you had to work for it. Most kids think they should just get these things and if they break they should get new ones.

Most likely because their parents always gave in and gave them new ones whenever they wanted

 

[Exterous]

"Who is entitled to what"

No one to anything

Yeah - fuck those inalienable rights in the declaration of independence!

 

[momeNt]

I think cultural and parenting issues have a lot to do with it. You almost always value something more if you actually have to work for it yet we want to give to our children as much as possible. Its a road paved with good intentions as parents want their kids to have a better life - to not deal with the struggles and hardships they did. Unfortunately it leads to expectations of being able to receive things with little or no work as thats all the kids have ever known.

IMO that leads to a compounding of the issue. Good parenting is hard and takes constant work. If we have a generation that no longer expects to ever work hard how good is the parenting going to be?

We also have thins thing where we don't like to teach any kid of personal finances to kids. I don't get that at all - it really should be a required high school class.



Heh yeah - there is literally nothing more you could give so it sounds like an unreasonable expectation to me



Most likely because their parents always gave in and gave them new ones whenever they wanted

Interstate highway system messed it all up, suburban life makes you lazy, but it does help the US armed forces cross this country in 3 days.

 

[Texashiker]

ftfy.

Are you suggesting a company would rather go out of business then pay a liveable wage?

 

[highland145]

Are you suggesting a company would rather go out of business then pay a liveable wage?

Nope. momeNt was talking about taking company profits and giving them to the unemployed.

 

[waggy]

Nope. momeNt was talking about taking company profits and giving them to the unemployed.

hmm ignorant idea. what would drive a company to be profitable? why would anyone invest with them? why would a owner take the risk and put in the work?

 

[IronWing]

No, the company folded BECAUSE of the unions...they couldn't sustain the wages and healthcare anymore. The unions kept demanding more and more of a resource earning less and less, then it imploded.

Why would a company sign contracts that were bad for the company? Sounds like poor management.

 

[slayer202]

bunch of bullshit trying to make you feel good about giving your life to someone else and you guys are eating it up

 

[highland145]

hmm ignorant idea. what would drive a company to be profitable? why would anyone invest with them? why would a owner take the risk and put in the work?

ed zachery.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

Yeah - fuck those inalienable rights in the declaration of independence!

Paradoxically, those aren't actual rights.

You do not have a right to life. Or liberty.

 

[CPA]

Nope. momeNt was talking about taking company profits and giving them to the unemployed.

I think we was stating it with a high degree of sarcasm.

 

[ShawnD1]

I love this line

"excel/improve/troubleshoot and resolve problems within organizations to make it better/grow"

3 careers
10+ companies/corps and dealt with 100s of Fortune 500 companies over the years

Every time you do what's in the quote, you will shoot yourself in the foot (not always, but most of the time).

I would absolutely love to have a poster of that for my work, but I can't because clients would see it. Even if it's true, some people don't understand how irony works...

 

[Fritzo]

Why would a company sign contracts that were bad for the company? Sounds like poor management.

That's what unions do. "If you don't sign this, we'll strike."