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dr150

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Originally posted by: dug777
I don't like the light they give ;)

Recessed halogen spotlights all the way :D


Totally agree.

Halogen gives the nicest light by faaaar.

BTW, the CFLs that we used (bought @ Costco) previously last as long as a regular bulb, sometimes even less. It's all BS marketing.

My Mom says regular bulbs used to last "forever" back in the 70's. Now they purposely are engineered burn out too quickly. Yup, it's another MBA management "turnover" scam.
 

MWink

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Originally posted by: eelw
I want to try this monster 45W CFL bulb.

I think that's the exact bulb I'm using right now (though I think it's 42W not 45W). It's a very nice bulb. It produces a lot of light and starts at near full intensity (after a 1 sec delay). That's also a great price as I paid $10 at Home Depot for it.

I have been using them for a few years, but sometimes I doubt the wattage claims, as the ballasts can feel quite a bit warmer than my 11w incandescent bulbs.

I've tested a bunch of our bulbs with my Kill-A-Watt and almost all of them use exactly what they're rated, give or take a watt. The one significant exception was the one like listed above which started out at its rated wattage and dropped to about 35W after it had been on a while. Interestingly, I've found that normal incandescent bulbs do vary in the wattage they draw. I've found some that were 5-10W different from their rating, which is pretty significant since I tested mostly ~30W bulbs.
 

b0mbrman

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I used them in every socket in my condo except my stove and fridge.

No noticeable savings on my electricity bill, but knowing that I saved the world is "savings" enough
 

Staples

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Originally posted by: Captain Howdy
I have been using them for a few years, but sometimes I doubt the wattage claims, as the ballasts can feel quite a bit warmer than my 11w incandescent bulbs. The light output is obviously greater, however. Also, this was with the "Bright effects" bulbs I bought 4/7$. The Sylvania bulbs I bought a couple years ago did not exhibit this.

I have a lights of america bulb in my room. I was trying to figure out how powerful it was. It seemed to give off the light of other 22w bulbs I have but I was not sure because there is no wattage marking on it. I tested it out with an energy meter and it read 22watts even when I turned the light off several hours later.
 

Jeff7

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Yes, I use CFLs in any room where the lights are on for longer durations of time. I believe 20min continuous is the rule, something to do with it taking a lot of power to start the fluorescent tube glowing. Ms Dawn would know more though. She's probably the resident expert on all things fluorescent.

Originally posted by: dug777
I don't like the light they give ;)

Recessed halogen spotlights all the way :D
Try a different color temperature.
They range at least from 3000k to 6500k. I like the daylight CFLs, which are 5500k - 6500k. You also need to get fluorescents with a high color rendering index. The closer to 100, the better. I have regular 4' fluorescent tubes back home, Philips brand, with a color temp of 6500k and a CRI of 85. Best fluorescent light I've ever seen.

Originally posted by: desy
I've changed over most of the commom used lights to them .
Now I don't feel so bad when my kids leave the lights on all over the place. Used to be 300W they were wasting now its 75W.
I don't think they work well in the cold? So my garage is still regular and I have some drop down pendant lights in the kitchen that would look goofy with the twisty bulb in there so I just lowered those from 100's to 75's.
But at least try to get them into the habit of turning stuff off. Even if it uses less power, it still does waste energy.
If they're in the habit of turning things off, they won't have to deal with people like me when they're sharing an apartment in college. People like me, who don't like wasting electricity on lights which remain on when no one's going to be in the apartment for most of the day.:)


Originally posted by: dullard
Also, remember that energy produced by normal bulbs heats your house in the winter so you don't need to run your furnace as much.
Electric heat is one of the most expensive ways of producing heat. It's exceptionally efficient, but electricity just doesn't produce very many BTU's for the money.
Run CFLs, and you can save the money (and energy) that'd go into those inefficient normal bulbs, and put it towards fuel which provides heat for less money than electricity.

I still wish they came on instantly.
They do, at least the newer ones. It might be advertised somewhere on the packaging. I've gotten Commercial Light brand CFLs from Home Depot, and they're instant-on, as well as the new brand that they have now.

Plus, when I show people how wonderful they are, they often judge based upon the dimmer warm-up minute and hate the bulbs.
True, even the instant-on CFLs require a warm-up period. I view it as a nice way to avoid getting your retinas cooked by a super-bright light. Instead your irises get a chance to constrict as the CFL warms up.

That said, True high intensity LEDs are the light bulb of the future. They will be far superior to CFL bulbs.
I hear that white LEDs are actually about as efficient as halogen bulbs. LEDs are viewed as efficient I believe because they are more controllable, and because of the control circuitry which often accompanies them, they can suck more power out of a battery, and thus get more usable life per battery. Colored LEDs however are far more efficient than a filtered white light, because they only produce the wavelength which is needed.
The big benefit I see to LEDs is their longevity. 100,000 hours, and they'll be at 1/2 of their original output. And I don't think that they suffer the same problem of stressful power-ons that fluorescents suffer from.

Originally posted by: sdifox
I have CFL all around. Dollarama has Sunbeam CFL for 1 dollar each, I think they are either 9 or 11watt ones, bright enough for me.
:Q
Your eyes must make you look like a lemur! Damn.....I like my CFLs to be 23W.
 

Zenmervolt

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Originally posted by: dr150
BTW, the CFLs that we used (bought @ Costco) previously last as long as a regular bulb, sometimes even less. It's all BS marketing.

My Mom says regular bulbs used to last "forever" back in the 70's. Now they purposely are engineered burn out too quickly. Yup, it's another MBA management "turnover" scam.
Oldest CFL I have has been in use for three years. That's much longer than any regular bulb I've ever used. Haven't had any fluorescent bulb (compact or otherwise) burn out on me yet actually. I've got a fluorescent tube desk lamp from the 1970's that's still going. It used to be my grandfather's, have no idea how old the tube is. At least 10 years because I've had it that long and have never changed the bulb.

As far as regular bulbs lasting longer in the 70's, it's far more likely that your mother's memory is incorrect.

ZV
 

dug777

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None of the range of 'cfls' i've seen has come close to offering the same effects as those little halogen spotties i have to admit, never seems as crisp, constant or 'directional'...we don't have as great a range commonly available here tho

 

jagec

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Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
As far as regular bulbs lasting longer in the 70's, it's far more likely that your mother's memory is incorrect.

ZV

Well, it's true that they don't make 'em like they used to. However, that's probably more due to increased brightness than some massive conspiracy.

Old car headlights (the dim yellow ones) last longer than the modern, bright-white ones, as well.
 

Madwand1

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Originally posted by: Dirigible
I've never found CFLs that fit in the small fixtures in my house.

There are small CFLs and also socket extenders that you can buy in stores like Home Depot (not cheap but they solve the problem for me).
 

Viperoni

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We switched the entire house over to CFL in one swoop, and saw roughly a 30% decrease in our electric bill. Not bad if you ask me! :)
 

spikespiegal

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Halogen gives the nicest light by faaaar.

I'm pretty fussy about interiour lighting, and the only halogen or track based bulbs I can stand are Solux bulbs. I have never been able to stand the yellow cast produced by conventional incandescent or halogen bulbs regardless of how pretty they make jewelery sparkle under the counter.

I've replaced all my track fixtures with reflector based, 4100 CFLs, and the quality of lighting is much better and my electrical bills are lower - considering the bulbs burn 1/3 the electricity and last 5x as long. My room also looks white vs puke yellow.

That's the inherent advantage with CFLs nobody talks about - the ability to control color temp. You can buy 4100 or 3500k CFLs if you look around, and the quality of light is much more appealing than halogen or incandescent.

Some hardware stores sell 5000k CFLs and those are the ones that look bright blue/green compared to the typical 2700k variety meant to replace household bulbs. I find those too obnoxious for indoors, but they make great outdoor/house/security lights because that's the wavelength your eyes are most sensitive to. A single, 26watt 5000k CFL can be seen for frikken miles at night and uses a helluva lot less power than 150watt floods - and they last longer.

In the long term we shuld start seeing more LED based lighting as the price drops. Right now high kelvin (5000+)CFLs have the lead in terms of visual light produced compared to energy used, but high intensity LEDs are even more efficient.

CFLs can be used on a dimmer switch if the dimmer switch is a good one.
 

glugglug

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I bought 2 dimmable ones for my apartment, then saw a pack of 10 non-dimmable ones dirt cheap at Home Despot.

Unfortunately about half of the non-dimmable ones are useless to me because they flicker horribly. I think it has to do with the terrible power quality supplied by Con Edison. The dimmable ones are more steady and have good color, but they are MUCH dimmer than the claims (even without using a dimmer switch), and also much dimmer than the non-dimmable ones. They are supposed to be equivalent to 100W bulbs, I'd say they are less than 40W incandescents in brightness.

I've never had one burn out yet. Then again, I generally don't turn on the lights, other than the bathroom or kitchen when I'm in those rooms - the TV and computer monitor supply enough light for me. Any power savings is neglible compared to air conditioning.
 

glugglug

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Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
As far as regular bulbs lasting longer in the 70's, it's far more likely that your mother's memory is incorrect.

No, his mother is right. I went from 1999 to 2003 without changing a single bulb in my apartment. Then when I had to go buy new ones because they started burning out, I'd have to change them every 6 months or so after that.

 

glugglug

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Originally posted by: dug777
I don't like the light they give ;)

Recessed halogen spotlights all the way :D

Are you joking? I hate those damn things. They cause pain to look near them. Almost have to close my eyes to look anywhere aroundone of those stupid recessed halogens.
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: Madwand1
Originally posted by: Dirigible
I've never found CFLs that fit in the small fixtures in my house.

There are small CFLs and also socket extenders that you can buy in stores like Home Depot (not cheap but they solve the problem for me).

They also sell CFLs for small fixtures at Ikea.
 

0roo0roo

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yea ikea sold large numbers of the candela or whatever ones far before anyone else started stocking them
 

Zenmervolt

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Originally posted by: glugglug
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
As far as regular bulbs lasting longer in the 70's, it's far more likely that your mother's memory is incorrect.
No, his mother is right. I went from 1999 to 2003 without changing a single bulb in my apartment. Then when I had to go buy new ones because they started burning out, I'd have to change them every 6 months or so after that.
Sorry, but unless you were controlling for bulb type and wattage your anecdotal evidence is pretty much worthless. If you replaced 60 watt bulbs with 75 or 100 watt bulbs, then you'd see the new bulbs burn out faster. If you replaced industrial bulbs with consumer bulbs, you'd see the new ones burn out faster (industrial bulbs are slightly dimmer, but with a much longer life). If you bought the same wattage but the new bulbs were spec-ed to provide more lumens, then the new bulbs will burn out faster. Too many variables to test.

ZV
 

lokiju

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I lived in a place with a roommate about 2 years ago and we decided to replace all the bulbs in the place with CFL's to try and reduce the electric bill.

We found a really good deal on bulk bulbs from Sams Club and did it, but each month the bill was the same.

In the end we ended up spending a bunch on bulbs that weren't as bright and true of light and wasted money.

Not worth it as far as I'm concerned.

 

Zenmervolt

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Originally posted by: jagec
Old car headlights (the dim yellow ones) last longer than the modern, bright-white ones, as well.
Modern "extended life" halogen bulbs produce more lumens than "Extra White" bulbs and also last nearly 5 times as long.

Standard H1 Halogen: 1550 lumens, 650 hour life.
"Long Life" H1 Halogen: 1460 lumens, 1,200 hour life.
"High Efficiency" H1 Halogen: 1680 lumens, 400 hour life.
"Ultra High Efficiency" H1 Halogen: 1750 lumens, 350 hour life.
"Extra White" H1 Halogen: 1380 lumens, 250 hour life.

List taken from the chart on this site.

And contrary to what was said earlier, human eyes are actually most sensitive to the orange/yellow end of the spectrum in low light. Blue/violet light does not trigger the pupil-closing response and also scatters much more readily, both of which cause large amounts of excess glare which is perceived as "bright" even though there is actually less ability to see. (This is similar to the way in which high frequency sounds are perceived as "louder" than low frequency sounds even when both are at the same decibel level.)

ZV
 

Staples

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Originally posted by: lokiju
I lived in a place with a roommate about 2 years ago and we decided to replace all the bulbs in the place with CFL's to try and reduce the electric bill.

We found a really good deal on bulk bulbs from Sams Club and did it, but each month the bill was the same.

In the end we ended up spending a bunch on bulbs that weren't as bright and true of light and wasted money.

Not worth it as far as I'm concerned.

Well you realize that 85% of your electricity bill is the AC, fridge and the water heater. Light bulbs in a small apartment won't be a major expense.
 

Madwand1

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I think there are plusses and minus for halogen and CFL lighting. Halogen spot lighting can increase contrast, and this generally looks better from an aesthetic point of view. If the point sources are well hidden, then the direct impact can be reduced as well.

But there's also a case to be made for diffuse lighting for usability. I say do what you think and feel is best, and don't put too much into what you read on AT on topics generally far deeper than the poster's technical level.