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alchemize

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I have a question.

Often I hear people say that science "proves" that there isn't a god - but science cannot answer the question of "where did the universe come from"?

The answer would have to that there is some way the universe was created, came into existence, etc.? Or some explanation about how it has always existed?

Where did matter come from? And of course if God created matter, what/how was God created?

I don't know how an intellectually honest person could write off the possibility of some "creator" or Science.
 

QuitBanningMe

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Originally posted by: alchemize
I have a question.

Often I hear people say that science "proves" that there isn't a god - but science cannot answer the question of "where did the universe come from"?

The answer would have to that there is some way the universe was created, came into existence, etc.? Or some explanation about how it has always existed?

Where did matter come from? And of course if God created matter, what/how was God created?

I don't know how an intellectually honest person could write off the possibility of some "creator" or Science.

Science can't prove there isn't a God.
 

KarenMarie

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I believe in a higher power.

I believe there is a higher power than me... and i believe there is a higher power than mankind. I think that if me or mankind is the highest we got, we are all screwed. I dont care if it is Jesus, God, buddah, Allah, or even nature.

I dont spend lots of time trying to over rationalize it... I just take it for granted and live my life with the belief that there is a higher power who wants and expects good things for mankind.

I am against organized religion and I am againt ppl who cannot just allow ppl to believe what they want, but need to get hateful.

:)
 

rainepar

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Originally posted by: alchemize
I have a question.

Often I hear people say that science "proves" that there isn't a god - but science cannot answer the question of "where did the universe come from"?

The answer would have to that there is some way the universe was created, came into existence, etc.? Or some explanation about how it has always existed?

Where did matter come from? And of course if God created matter, what/how was God created?

I don't know how an intellectually honest person could write off the possibility of some "creator" or Science.


Science doesn't prove god doesn't exist. There's just no proof for god, so it would be really unscientific to believe in it.

As for the origin of matter, the universe, etc.. if some god can be self existant why can't my matter?
 

IGBT

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..we're not that lucky. Right now I'd settle for a burning bush..:D
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: rainepar
Originally posted by: alchemize
I have a question.

Often I hear people say that science "proves" that there isn't a god - but science cannot answer the question of "where did the universe come from"?

The answer would have to that there is some way the universe was created, came into existence, etc.? Or some explanation about how it has always existed?

Where did matter come from? And of course if God created matter, what/how was God created?

I don't know how an intellectually honest person could write off the possibility of some "creator" or Science.


Science doesn't prove god doesn't exist. There's just no proof for god, so it would be really unscientific to believe in it.

As for the origin of matter, the universe, etc.. if some god can be self existant why can't my matter?

I don't disagree with that as a viable answer (self-existance for either). I think either requires a decent explanation, no? :p

I hope when we die we get an answer either way. If there is no god - hopefully you get this little flash of understanding and say "oh, that's how it works scientifically". If there is a God, well then you'll be hitting the elevator up or down right?

 

rainepar

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: rainepar
Originally posted by: alchemize
I have a question.

Often I hear people say that science "proves" that there isn't a god - but science cannot answer the question of "where did the universe come from"?

The answer would have to that there is some way the universe was created, came into existence, etc.? Or some explanation about how it has always existed?

Where did matter come from? And of course if God created matter, what/how was God created?

I don't know how an intellectually honest person could write off the possibility of some "creator" or Science.


Science doesn't prove god doesn't exist. There's just no proof for god, so it would be really unscientific to believe in it.

As for the origin of matter, the universe, etc.. if some god can be self existant why can't my matter?

I don't disagree with that as a viable answer (self-existance for either). I think either requires a decent explanation, no? :p

I hope when we die we get an answer either way. If there is no god - hopefully you get this little flash of understanding and say "oh, that's how it works scientifically". If there is a God, well then you'll be hitting the elevator up or down right?


by explanation do you mean why I would pick one over the other? basically I just don't need a god. science can explain it all. why would you need a god? what we it have done? unless you believe in noahs ark.
 

QuitBanningMe

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Originally posted by: alchemize
I have a question.

Often I hear people say that science "proves" that there isn't a god - but science cannot answer the question of "where did the universe come from"?

The answer would have to that there is some way the universe was created, came into existence, etc.? Or some explanation about how it has always existed?

Where did matter come from? And of course if God created matter, what/how was God created?

I don't know how an intellectually honest person could write off the possibility of some "creator" or Science.


Science can't prove God doesn't exist.

If no God matter could have always existed or more likely came from nothing or nothing's collision with something or other nothing..

If there is a God he can exist outside of our universe, he could be an evolutionary product of our universe, he could be a constantly evolving entity over the course of many universes.

There is really no reason to dismiss either. Religion however is a different story.
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: rainepar
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: rainepar
Originally posted by: alchemize
I have a question.

Often I hear people say that science "proves" that there isn't a god - but science cannot answer the question of "where did the universe come from"?

The answer would have to that there is some way the universe was created, came into existence, etc.? Or some explanation about how it has always existed?

Where did matter come from? And of course if God created matter, what/how was God created?

I don't know how an intellectually honest person could write off the possibility of some "creator" or Science.


Science doesn't prove god doesn't exist. There's just no proof for god, so it would be really unscientific to believe in it.

As for the origin of matter, the universe, etc.. if some god can be self existant why can't my matter?

I don't disagree with that as a viable answer (self-existance for either). I think either requires a decent explanation, no? :p

I hope when we die we get an answer either way. If there is no god - hopefully you get this little flash of understanding and say "oh, that's how it works scientifically". If there is a God, well then you'll be hitting the elevator up or down right?


by explanation do you mean why I would pick one over the other?

Not an explanation by you - sorry I was unclear.

I'm saying in general terms - if matter/God was self-existant, than there would have to be a "how" answer.
 

rainepar

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Originally posted by: QuitBanningMe
Originally posted by: alchemize
I have a question.

Often I hear people say that science "proves" that there isn't a god - but science cannot answer the question of "where did the universe come from"?

The answer would have to that there is some way the universe was created, came into existence, etc.? Or some explanation about how it has always existed?

Where did matter come from? And of course if God created matter, what/how was God created?

I don't know how an intellectually honest person could write off the possibility of some "creator" or Science.


Science can't prove God doesn't exist.

If no God matter could have always existed or more likely came from nothing or nothing's collision with something or other nothing..

If there is a God he can exist outside of our universe, he could be an evolutionary product of our universe, he could be a constantly evolving entity over the course of many universes.

There is really no reason to dismiss either. Religion however is a different story.


You can dismiss it because you don't need it.
 

rainepar

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: rainepar
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: rainepar
Originally posted by: alchemize
I have a question.

Often I hear people say that science "proves" that there isn't a god - but science cannot answer the question of "where did the universe come from"?

The answer would have to that there is some way the universe was created, came into existence, etc.? Or some explanation about how it has always existed?

Where did matter come from? And of course if God created matter, what/how was God created?

I don't know how an intellectually honest person could write off the possibility of some "creator" or Science.


Science doesn't prove god doesn't exist. There's just no proof for god, so it would be really unscientific to believe in it.

As for the origin of matter, the universe, etc.. if some god can be self existant why can't my matter?

I don't disagree with that as a viable answer (self-existance for either). I think either requires a decent explanation, no? :p

I hope when we die we get an answer either way. If there is no god - hopefully you get this little flash of understanding and say "oh, that's how it works scientifically". If there is a God, well then you'll be hitting the elevator up or down right?


by explanation do you mean why I would pick one over the other?

Not an explanation by you - sorry I was unclear.

I'm saying in general terms - if matter/God was self-existant, than there would have to be a "how" answer.


I think I see what you're saying. To be honest I can't really give much of an answer. I guess you just have to take some things for granted, we are here aren't we?
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: QuitBanningMe
Originally posted by: alchemize
I have a question.

Often I hear people say that science "proves" that there isn't a god - but science cannot answer the question of "where did the universe come from"?

The answer would have to that there is some way the universe was created, came into existence, etc.? Or some explanation about how it has always existed?

Where did matter come from? And of course if God created matter, what/how was God created?

I don't know how an intellectually honest person could write off the possibility of some "creator" or Science.


Science can't prove God doesn't exist.

If no God matter could have always existed or more likely came from nothing or nothing's collision with something or other nothing..

If there is a God he can exist outside of our universe, he could be an evolutionary product of our universe, he could be a constantly evolving entity over the course of many universes.

There is really no reason to dismiss either. Religion however is a different story.

Religion, like science, is a construct of man. Just science has a lot tighter rules :p

If there is a God/Satan - Satan has to be pretty pleased with both Religion & Science, eh?