Who had a better empire?

[LtPage1]

Egyptians were hotter. bulemia parties ftl.

 

[Shadowknight]

Really, more people in school have heard about the Roman empire than anything about Egypt, so most of the responses will go for Rome. Other than Pyramids, how much does the average person know about Egypt?

 

[HombrePequeno]

Originally posted by: Horus
Romans, definately. They had an empire spanning from the British Isles to deep into the Middle east, and into Africa as well. It was an empire that lasted for centuries as well, even up until the 19th century with the Holy Roman Empire.

Don't confuse the Holy Roman Empire with the Roman Empire. That was an attempt by the Germans to make an empire as great as the Roman Empire several centuries after the Western Roman Empire had disintegrated. They don't really have anything to do with each other.

The Roman Empire split up between the East and the West Empire and the western half fell to barbarians. The eastern part turned into the Byzantine Empire that didn't fall until 1453. So the Roman Empire essentially lasted from 31 BCE (the Republic started around 509 BCE) until 1453. A couple thousand years isn't bad for an Empire. The Egyptians lasted longer but were nowhere near as advanced. Rome invented a form of government which is the basis for most governments today.

 

[Smartazz]

Originally posted by: Shadowknight
Really, more people in school have heard about the Roman empire than anything about Egypt, so most of the responses will go for Rome. Other than Pyramids, how much does the average person know about Egypt?

You'd be suprised, a lot of people think they're the best society because of their pyrimids, little do they know how amazing the Romans were.

 

[Riceball]

Easily the romans

 

[HamburgerBoy]

The Romans, easily.

 

[EGGO]

Originally posted by: neutralizer
Romans. They had a much bigger empire.

That would be their downfall. I still vote Romans for their accomplishments.

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: Horus
Romans, definately. They had an empire spanning from the British Isles to deep into the Middle east, and into Africa as well. It was an empire that lasted for centuries as well, even up until the 19th century with the Holy Roman Empire.

Founding of Rome supposedly around 700BC, fall of Byzantium in 1453AD. That's ~2150 years from founding to the end.
Egypt: 3300BC to 300BC, 3000 years. And that's taking the Roman Empire as meaning "from the founding of Rome when it wasn't an Empire" and Egypt from founding to the end when it was conquered by the Greeks. They both lasted pretty long.
Egypt had a few falls and divisions along the way, but Rome wasn't an empire until 31BC, and din't have it all good even once it was an Empire.

In terms of lasting effect Rome could be seen to have had a greater impact, they brought Christianity to the forefront of religion, along with numerous technological things which kinda went away then came back later, but then again the Egyptians and Greeks influenced the Romans, and Egypt had monotheism pretty early on for a short time, and most of the developments which helped Rome came from elsewhere, and a lot from the near east, even if it wasn't from the Egyptians.

So it's a tough call and can't really be done with a vague question like "who had the best empire" as they both had the best in some respects, but not others, they came at different times, and they can't really be compared in that kind of way, IMO.

 

[RedPickle]

BEER
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[Shadowknight]

Originally posted by: Smartazz

Originally posted by: Shadowknight
Really, more people in school have heard about the Roman empire than anything about Egypt, so most of the responses will go for Rome. Other than Pyramids, how much does the average person know about Egypt?

You'd be suprised, a lot of people think they're the best society because of their pyrimids, little do they know how amazing the Romans were.

I wouldn't say THAT. Afterall, isn't it well known that the pyramids were actually built by aliense?

 

[KarenMarie]

the romans.

they had more money, more inventions, more real estate and kicked just about everyone's azz.

 

[eits]

persians.

 

[Manuwell]

What about the greeks (Greek food. Mmmm) or the chineses (Chinese food. Mmmm) ?

 

[Aimster]

Persian Empire & Persian Empire II

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Persian Empire & Persian Empire II

damn right.

 

[uhohs]

egyptians had yugioh and shadow games.

 

[JDrake]

wow what an even poll

 

[The Batt?sai]

Romans FTW!

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: JDrake
wow what an even poll

wow the romans clearly win

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: Horus
Romans, definately. They had an empire spanning from the British Isles to deep into the Middle east, and into Africa as well. It was an empire that lasted for centuries as well, even up until the 19th century with the Holy Roman Empire.

The HRE had nothing to do with the Romans who founded the Roman Empire.

But I would vote Roman simply because it was enormous, stable, and prosperous. It encouraged the overdevelopment of the Med. basin, and oversaw one of the longest continuous peaces in the region. The Romans deployed a very large army (over 250,000), built cities, and saw the assimilation of many other cultures into their own. They built the largest city in the world (Rome at its height had over a million inhabitants), they built the aqueducts, Hadrian's wall, etc.

Originally posted by: EGGO

Originally posted by: neutralizer
Romans. They had a much bigger empire.

That would be their downfall. I still vote Romans for their accomplishments.

I would disagree. Rome's downfall came mostly from inept leadership at the end just as Germanic pressures were increasing, not overextension. Although they did lose a few peripheral provinces (Dacia, England), the core of the empire was loyal.

 

[sandorski]

No matter how you compare them Rome wins IMO, but the comparison is somewhat unfair. The Egyptians had much less to work with, less Knowledge, Less Technological Advance, and a very different Worldview. Knowledge and Technology accumulates over time and once it's discovered it doesn't need to be discovered again. Rome benefitted by having Egypt develop some quite complex Mathematics and other Knowledge. Egypt also introduced such revolutionary technologies like Written language(?? I believe) which also was to Rome's eventual advantage. As others have mentioned Egypt also was not Expansionistic so any comparison in Landmass is totally irrelevant.

The question is almost like asking: Who had the better City, New York 1750 or New York 1995?

 

[Cristatus]

Originally posted by: Manuwell
What about the greeks (Greek food. Mmmm) or the chineses (Chinese food. Mmmm) ?

What about the Indians? Indian food pwns them all!