Who goes to the Fiesta bowl from the Big East?
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It's not necessarily the fiesta bowl, possibly the sugar bowl.
Of the 4 teams, Syracuse and Pitt have 2-1 records against the others, while WV and BC have 1-2 records, so WV and BC are eliminated. If either Pitt or Syracuse make the BCS rankings (it's possible for Pitt, not really for Syracuse), then the higher ranked team will go to the BCS bowl. If neither make the official BCS rankings, it will be whoever gets more votes in the polls. If neither get any votes, it will be the highest in the average of the 6 BCS computers (almost for sure Pitt as well).
So, Syracuse's only real hope is for neither team to make the BCS rankings, and get more votes.
EDIT: Last week, Pitt had 25 points in the AP poll, and 8 in the coaches poll. Syracuse had none. Pitt was 44th in the computers and Syracuse was 59th.
Of the 4 teams, Syracuse and Pitt have 2-1 records against the others, while WV and BC have 1-2 records, so WV and BC are eliminated. If either Pitt or Syracuse make the BCS rankings (it's possible for Pitt, not really for Syracuse), then the higher ranked team will go to the BCS bowl. If neither make the official BCS rankings, it will be whoever gets more votes in the polls. If neither get any votes, it will be the highest in the average of the 6 BCS computers (almost for sure Pitt as well).
So, Syracuse's only real hope is for neither team to make the BCS rankings, and get more votes.
EDIT: Last week, Pitt had 25 points in the AP poll, and 8 in the coaches poll. Syracuse had none. Pitt was 44th in the computers and Syracuse was 59th.
It is a huge mess. It's a joke they get a team in the BCS. Be interesting to see, Utah will overmatch any team from the Big East. Fiesta is most likely for the Big East team as the ACC champ will go to Sugar to play SEC champ.
Fiesta would choose first, and get to pick between the Utah, the Big East champ, and the ACC champ. Any of the ACC teams (Miami, Virginia Tech, or Florida State) would be better then the Big East champ and would probably go to the Fiesta Bowl. Then the Sugar bowl would choose the Big East champ, and Fiesta would get Utah.
Ah, but Pitt still has one more game left against South Florida. If they lose that game, they probably will drop below Syracuse.
I just realized that Pitt has a non-conference game left. If they lose that one, then Syracuse has a much better chance.
Edit: chuckywang posted the same thing at the same time. If Pitt loses that game, neither team would really have a chance at being ranked in the BCS. Syracuse would have a slightly better chance of getting a few votes. As far as the computers go, it's hard to say who would be ahead, 7-4 Pitt or 6-5 Syracuse, since Syracuse has a tougher schedule. Plugging all that in to Colley's add/remove games at will, Pitt would be 48th and Syracuse 49th. It would be close in the other computers as well.
Edit: chuckywang posted the same thing at the same time. If Pitt loses that game, neither team would really have a chance at being ranked in the BCS. Syracuse would have a slightly better chance of getting a few votes. As far as the computers go, it's hard to say who would be ahead, 7-4 Pitt or 6-5 Syracuse, since Syracuse has a tougher schedule. Plugging all that in to Colley's add/remove games at will, Pitt would be 48th and Syracuse 49th. It would be close in the other computers as well.
^ If the BCS title game is USC-OU. If Auburn passes OU, the Sugar would pick first, and OU would be in the Fiesta as Big 12 champ. I don't see that happening, but stranger things have happened.
As I've posted before, it's impossible if all 3 teams win out. USC has the polls, Oklahoma has the computers, Auburn is 3rd in both. They need to get to 1st in one or the other, and that won't happen.
Not likely, but Pittsburgh did have to go to overtime to beat a Div 1-AA team (Furman) and lost to a 5-6 team (Nebraska).
I didn't say it would happen, just saying that IF it did, that's how the bowl picks would go. Also, although it won't happen, I wouldn't say it's impossible, stranger things have happened, like Nebraska getting destroyed in the Big XII title game and still making it to the BCS title game, just to get destroyed by Miami.
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Cal will be in the Rose Bowl unless a whole schmeil of things happen, such as USC losing to ND and OU losing the Big 12 title game, and would probably need Auburn to drop the SEC title game...
The whole system is flawed, and it is shown with my favorite team... Call it bias or not, I think Iowa gets screwed by being voted 11th in the BCS compared to Michigan being 12th, hence Iowa being the highest rated Big 10 team, goes to a lower bowl then the Wolverines.
The whole system is flawed, and it is shown with my favorite team... Call it bias or not, I think Iowa gets screwed by being voted 11th in the BCS compared to Michigan being 12th, hence Iowa being the highest rated Big 10 team, goes to a lower bowl then the Wolverines.
Michigan would have gone to the Rose Bowl with or without the BCS, by virtue of being the conference champion (because they beat Iowa head to head). You have a problem with the Big 10 bowl rules, not the BCS.
My understanding is that Pittsburgh controls their own destiny. If they lose next week to South Florida, Syracuse is in because Pitt would drop in the computer rankings and such. If Pitt wins, they're the BCS team. After having to painfully watch 3 straight mediocre/poor seasons of Syracuse football, I hope they get the BCS bid as it would be nice to see SU in a bowl game again. Go Bulls!
-Tom
-Tom
I understand that, but the Rose Bowl is a BCS Bowl game... Therefore does it make sense that the highest BCS rated Big Ten team should go? I don't see the point of the system if they don't do it like that...
That's not how the system works. The rankings only really count to get the no. 1 and no. 2 teams in the country and the at-large bid to the BCS bowls. The rest of the bids to the BCS bowls go to major conference champions.
My understanding is this: If South Florida beats Pittsburgh next week, there will be a 4 way tie for the Big East conference championship with Syracuse being one of the 4 teams. The tiebreakers fall out in such a way that a Pittsburgh loss to South Florida combined with Syracuse being higher in the BCS standings than Pittsburgh gives Syracuse the BCS bowl bid. One would expect that if Pittsburgh loses to South Florida, they would drop in the BCS standings below Syracuse, but who knows. The possibility still remains, however, for Syracuse to go to a BCS bowl. I hope South Florida rolls Pittsburgh next week
-Tom
I understand the system. It just doesn't add up to me that the highest two ranked teams go to the highest game, but after that the rankings don't really matter...
I just think its funny that Iowa is ranked higher then Michigan and going to a lower bowl...
As chuckywang said, the rankings DO matter.....to a certain extent. Every conference champion in a BCS conference is guaranteed an appearance in a major bowl no matter what their BCS ranking is (see the Big East). So 6 of the 8 spots in the major bowls are taken up by BCS conference champions. As far as the 2 at-large bids, a team must have 9 wins AND be in the top 12 in the BCS rankings in order to be considered for an at-large bid. Since Iowa is not the Big Ten champion, they don't get the automatic bid. However, Iowa does meet the criteria for an at-large bid, so it is possible for them to get into a BCS bowl. But as the #11 team in the BCS rankings (as of Week 7 of the rankings), it seems unlikely that a major bowl would pick them with the likes of Cal, Texas, and Utah hanging around.
-Tom
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